Re: who from

Mikael Brown (
Fri, 02 May 1997 14:55:36 -0500

>If memory serves, there are 8000 active IP addresses on campus, so
>it seems like we should be able to track down some more somewhere..

Not to spoil anyone's parade, but I wanted to put my ethical thumb forward.
As you may or may not know, Project Vincent at ISU is very similar to
Project Athena at MIT. Recently SolNet clients started running on Vincent
machines all over campus (hence the reason SolNet thinks 500+ machines are
participating). Needless to say, the person who did this did not ask
permision of machine owners before doing so.....he had to make many
personal appoligies - and many computer administrators are now turned off
to DES cracking efforts.... so please ask before putting DESCHALL all over
campus... I don't want DESCHALL to get a bad name

Below is a letter that I posted to the ISU local newsgroups regarding the
"Public and Departmental Computing Facilites Being Abused by Users ?"

First of all I would like to say that I am pleased with the number of ISU
persons participating in the various DES cracking organizations. I am
really impressed by ISU's growing participation in the SOLnet effort.
Personally, I am involved with the DESCHALL effort, but I must give credit
where credit is due. Curious about who is involved with the SOLnet effort,
I examined their statistical data. I was very impressed by the involvement, but surprised by the number of departmental and
public machines entering the SOLnet group.

Upon investigation, I learned that the SOLnet client was running on several
departmental and public machines under the userid of a select group of
users, many of these machines running the client as root. At that point I
was very, very excited. I was excited that so many work group
administrators (WGA) were involved with the project. Excited that either
they themselves were running a DES cracking client, or that they were
allowing someone to run one on their departmental and public machines.

With high spirits, I wrote some of my WGA friends, querying them on their
remarkable commitment. To my dismay I learned that many were unaware of
such clients running on the machines they administrate. More so, some were
unhappy that DES cracking clients were running as root -- a process arranged
and executed by a person in the Computation Center.

I have no idea if any of the WGAs are emailing people in particular, but I
did want to make this statement to the newsgroups. Yes, it is true that
these DES cracking programs use idle CPU time, use minimal memory, and
create little to no effect to users. But, that does not give anyone the
right to run these programs on other people's machines without asking
permission first. Idle CPU time is not YOUR CPU time, no matter how
important you depict the DES cracking project or your job description.

>From the ISU Code of Ethics: "Use of computer facilities by an individual
must be authorized by the owner or administrative unit."

By no means do I want to discourage participation in DES cracking at ISU. I
do emphasize the importance that ISU's involvement follows the ethical
guidelines the university has set. I would not want our participation
blocked because of unethical misuse of such programs on campus. Right now
the misuse is only evident on Project Vincent machines, so I can only
imagine its misuse on PC and Mac labs around campus.

I encourage everyone who is running a DES cracking client at ISU to make
sure that you ask permission from the appropriate administrator first. The
worst thing they can do if you ask is say no. If you don't ask and they
find out, you could jeopardize the trust and goodwill of everyone involved.

Thank You.

Now that's out of the way, I'm going to put my non-ethical middle finger
towards the SolNet group and curse them for having a higher keyrate than us!!!

OBnag: Let's hurry it up w/ those optimized 64-bit clients !!!
Prove DES is weak, crack DES!

Mikael Brown "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless apon the air..."