From owner-deschall Tue Apr 1 09:17:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17904 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17899 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017897; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:16:43 -0500 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA02149 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:23:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA02804 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:23:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Recruiting More People In-Reply-To: <199704010336.WAA05299@goffette.research.megasoft.com> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, C Matthew Curtin wrote: > Justin: you mentioned something about text from a recent CFV. Could > you give me a pointer? (I can't figure out what you're talking about, > and I'm unsure whether that's due to not ever seeing it or sleep > deprivation :-) Hmmm... Likely a combination of both. :-) Here is is anyway: Subject: Help break RSA's DES Crypto Challenge! A Call for Participation ------------------------ 1) What's it all about? We're working on breaking the DES challenge issued by RSA Labs on Janurary 28th, 1997. Two of the other challenges, based on the RC5 algorithm with 40 and 48 bit keys, have already been broken. Especially in the 48bit RC5 challenge, a large number of Internet users contributed CPU cycles for a brute force keyspace attack. By the end of the 48 bit RC5 challenge, over 3500 hosts had helped by donating CPU time to acheive a peak key-testing rate of over 1.5 trilion keys/hour. We'd like for some of those hosts (and others!) to help out with the DES challenge. A $10,000 prize will be awarded by RSA Labs for those who crack the challenges first. 2) How can I help? First, feel free to redistribute this CFP to anyone else who you think may be interested in participating. Especially those with alot of CPU power. :-) If you've got a networked computer somewhere, you can help directly! Clients are currently available for Intel processors (486, Pentium, and PentiumPro) running Windows, OS/2, Linux, FreeBSD, and BSDI. Non-Intel clients are available for PowerPC (Mac) Linux, Sun Sparc, and HP PA-RISC. The Intel versions are all using hand-optimized assembly code. Assembly tuned versions for the Sparc and PA-RISC versions should be available in the near future -- stay tuned! The only restriction is that clients can only be given to residents of the US or Canada, due to US export restrictions. [Others may still be able to participate; rumor has it that someone has redistributed the clients outside the US, but I don't know the location.] To get the clients, visit the DESCHALL Info page (see below) for instructions. It's simple and painless process. You just need to download and execute the clients -- no further work on your part is required! You can visit the statistics page to see the progress of the whole group, and your clients. If you have a multiple number of Unix systems you'd like to use, I've written a few scripts to help make life simple (read: automated). Contact me directly for further info. 3) Where can I get more info? * DESCHALL Info page: * RSA Lab's Challenge: * Rocke Verser (coordinator/implementor): rcv@dopey.verser.frii.com Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (This space intentionally left blank.) From owner-deschall Tue Apr 1 09:32:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18038 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18031 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.onramp.net(199.1.11.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018027; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:31:51 -0500 Received: from hobbes (ppp12-18.ftwotx.onramp.net [206.50.209.146]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA19384 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:39:03 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970401083904.00a2f538@onramp.net> X-Sender: snichols@onramp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:39:05 -0600 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Stephen Nichols Subject: clienet modifications to request more keys? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hey, Does anyone know if it is being considered or will be considered to modify the clients to allow a larger number of keys to be requested? That would allow me, and many others, to have machines run all day and at night. As it is now I can only spend a few hours a day during the week. Stephen Nichols From owner-deschall Tue Apr 1 10:49:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18628 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18623 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cougar.ssi.stratus.com(198.97.42.123) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018621; Tue, 1 Apr 97 10:49:34 -0500 Received: from cougar by cougar.ssi.stratus.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/96.03.29) with SMTP id KAA002.69 for <>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:56:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199704011556.KAA002.69@cougar.ssi.stratus.com> From: "Charlie Hodgson" Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 10:51:50 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Firewalls & alternate access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.24 (Unregistered) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk My company is very serurity-anal-retentive and as a result I cannot access the key server as it is. Is there any other way in which the client might possibly request keys using some standard ports?? Charlie -- Does Microsoft mean "small and limp"? From owner-deschall Tue Apr 1 12:14:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19213 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19208 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019206; Tue, 1 Apr 97 12:14:12 -0500 Received: from sector.com (cl7-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.180]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21126 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:19:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:21:22 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: clienet modifications to request more keys? Message-Id: <859904482-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <859904482-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hey, Does anyone know if it is being considered or will be considered to modify the clients to allow a larger number of keys to be requested? That would allow me, and many others, to have machines run all day and at night. As it is now I can only spend a few hours a day during the week. Stephen Nichols It's a possibility for the future. From owner-deschall Tue Apr 1 15:00:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20227 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20219 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020209; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:59:49 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id PAA28878 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028867; Tue, 1 Apr 97 15:04:54 -0500 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07390; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:06:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:06:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704012006.PAA07390@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Proxies, configurable keyspace requests X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.wpi.edu(130.215.24.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022531; Tue, 1 Apr 97 21:35:46 -0500 Received: from carleton.res.wpi.edu (carleton.res.WPI.EDU [130.215.242.87]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.6.Alpha2) with SMTP id VAA10164 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:42:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:42:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199704020242.VAA10164@smtp.WPI.EDU> X-Sender: carleton@smtp.wpi.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Carleton Jillson Subject: Recruiting More People Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk First off, let's look at the top ten contributors: #4 is 207.196, which I have no idea what it is, except judging by the amount it puts forth with just one computer, must be 1 hell of a computer..., #10 is ibm.net, which kinda speaks for itself. All the remaining are .EDU's.... Colleges/universities have immense computing power, and unlike businesses, much of it is untapped except to play games. (Actually, that's not entirely true... from experience, many businesses seem to have a lot of computer power that is only used for things like Quake, but I digress :) At WPI, my school, and current 2nd placer (GO TECH!), 24 personal computers are currently spewing out 748064*2^20 keys per second. This is pretty impressive considering that these are just individual owned computers; the head honchos of our computer labs seem to have decreed that deschall shall not be run on school computers... If some sort of inter-school rivalry could be setup, I think a lot more people would be willing to take part. This would be especially true at places like MIT, RPI, RIT, WPI, and other techie schools, where there are enough dedicated computer scientists who would care about such things, and coincidentally enough, tend to have powerful computers to crack considerable numbers of codes... From owner-deschall Wed Apr 2 01:22:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA23292 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA23287 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023285; Wed, 2 Apr 97 01:21:59 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id BAA04763 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004761; Wed, 2 Apr 97 01:27:02 -0500 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA08923; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:28:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:28:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704020628.BAA08923@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Final (?) Draft of Press Release X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023365; Wed, 2 Apr 97 01:39:04 -0500 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA14058; Tue, 1 Apr 97 22:46:16 PST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 22:46:16 PST From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704020646.AA14058@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Recruiting More People In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Carleton Jillson ' dated: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:42:52 -0500 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Carleton Jillson wrote: [...] > power that is only used for things like Quake, but I digress :) At WPI, my > school, and current 2nd placer (GO TECH!), 24 personal computers are > currently spewing out 748064*2^20 keys per second. This is pretty ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Pretty awesome! What are you going to do with the $10,000 you win tomorrow? ;-) Karl (PS, It's still April 1 maybe you got me!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge Shaggy: Scooby Doo! Where are You?! (510)-516-7127 Scooby: Rover Rear!!! Shaggy: Man, like I thought we told you to stay away from Rover's Rear! From owner-deschall Wed Apr 2 02:36:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA23621 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA23616 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023614; Wed, 2 Apr 97 02:36:13 -0500 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA04177; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:43:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:43:19 -0700 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704020743.AAA04177@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I don't wish to impose my will on whatever you folks want in your Press Release. So please don't consider these suggestions with any more weight than any others. Paragraph 2. How about "insufficient" in lieu of "minimal" General: How about some mention of the US Government's 40-bit limit on cryptographic export without special licensing. For example: "The maximum key-length allowed for export by the US Government without special licensing is 40 bits. If every Fortune 500 company used a single 40-bit key to communicate with their international offices and subsidiaries, the meager computing power expended as of March 31 by the DESCHALL group could have revealed approximately half of their keys. At the present pace, approximately twenty-two additional secrets could be compromised each day." Note: This is based on DESCHALL clients having tested 0.2% of 2^56 keys (1.44e14 keys); Keys required to find average 40-bit key is 2^39 = 5.5e11; 1.44e14 / 5.5e11 = 262. Second statement is based on 1.24e13 keys per day; 1.24e13 / 5.5e11 = 22.6 secrets compromised per day. General: How about a mention of a DES application that would concern the average citizen. Is single DES still used between banks and the Federal Reserve? Do Visa and MasterCard still use single DES? Other applications that could impact the average American? -- Rocke From owner-deschall Wed Apr 2 11:38:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26599 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26591 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026587; Wed, 2 Apr 97 11:37:58 -0500 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9T09>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:47:34 -0800 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D157092910132D@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Recruiting More People; .EDU sites (rambles) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:47:31 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Carleton = Carleton Jillson > Carleton> First off, let's look at the top ten contributors: #4 is > 207.196, which I > Carleton>have no idea what it is, except judging by the amount it puts > forth with > Carleton>just one computer, must be 1 hell of a computer..., #10 is > ibm.net, which > > We have been trying to figure that out as well--can we tell if they > have more then one proc or which client they're running? We're > thinking of trying a port to the school's Maiko (sp) box. 16 Sparc > processors, 32 fujitsu vector coprocs. It should scream once we get > parallel code, or even code to use the vector procs. > > Carleton>kinda speaks for itself. All the remaining are .EDU's.... > > And they say that we students just sit around and _waste_ all of their > time... :) > > Carleton>Colleges/universities have immense computing power, and > unlike businesses, > Carleton>much of it is untapped except to play games. (Actually, > that's not entirely > Carleton>true... from experience, many businesses seem to have a lot > of computer > Carleton>power that is only used for things like Quake, but I digress > :) At WPI, my > Carleton>school, and current 2nd placer (GO TECH!), 24 personal > computers are > Carleton>currently spewing out 748064*2^20 keys per second. This is > pretty > Carleton>impressive considering that these are just individual owned > computers; the > Carleton>head honchos of our computer labs seem to have decreed that > deschall shall > Carleton>not be run on school computers... If some sort of > inter-school rivalry could > > Bummer--is this for all of the computer labs, or just the EE ones? > > Here's the story behind our effort (first place for weeks [GO > BEAVERS!]). > > I found a reference to this effort on one of the lists I'm on > (for a 'competing' effort that hasn't written any code yet)., and > downloaded the code and ran it on my laptop at home. We've been > looking into doing this kind of thing for quite a while at the testlab > that I work for--we usually have about 60 test clients sitting on > racks doing nothing. I brought the software in, and set it up on my > computer, mentioning it to a co-worker, who put it on his computer, > and it kind of leapfrogged from there. Eventually, we had it on > pretty much all of the computers down here. I think this is kind of > the effect we should be expecting at .COM sites--word of mouth capped > either by running out of resources or a mandate from above demanding > that ununsed CPU cycles remain wasted. [1] > > This testlab is run by the Business department (note: I am an > engineering major, I just work here). We realized that at the other > end of the hall were 160 machines that were going to go to running > login screens over spring break, and asked the head honcho here about > running DESCchall on those machines. [2] He agreed, and within 30 > minutes of the lab being closed, we had those machines running. (Side > Note: We have enough data by now that I'm thinking of writing a > script to generate graphs of our search rate with regard to time, to > see if we can correlate with things like spring break and holidays). > He is so impressed by our being first place, and the odds that we're > going to win that he is now prosetylizing around campus to everyone > else in Wintel platforms, trying to drum up more support. > > We are currently waiting for word from some of the Engineering > profs for a blessing to set the HP-PA client up on around 200 HP 7xx > machines run by the department. Our local cryptography god is > interested in this project, and I know there was already a senior > project that was working on writing code to reliably do process > control over huge clusters of machines.[3] > > -- Non-linear part of writing follows :) > > [1] This seems to be the problem for .COM sites--management might not > like some of the ideas. I think that we need to either update the web > site or do something to make the point that this client is NOT a > security problem (although that may require source release, which > Rocke does not like). We also need to keep driving in the point that > unless you're doing something with your computer, it could be checking > millions of keys in the time between keystrokes. Unfortunately, .COM > sites tend to have quite a bit of inertia, because there's always some > guy in charge who doesn't quite understand and doesn't want to go out > on a limb... > > [2] We buttered him up with the prestige that being part of the first > successful project to crack DES would bring, especially if we were the > top search contributers when it happened. He goes for that sort of > thing. This seems to be a fairly good way to get adiminstrators > involved--they want the publicity angle. He would like to see some > competition out there as well...I don't know if the full impact of "7 > years to completion has sunk in yet." I can see by looking at today's > stats that a lot more .EDU sites seem to be expanding the number of > machines. This is a good thing--word of mouth works. Has anyone been > keeping track of hits to the website on a day-to-day basis? We > should, to guage how much difference the press release makes. > > [3] I keep forgetting to contact this group, I will soon. > > Carleton>be setup, I think a lot more people would be willing to take > part. This > Carleton>would be especially true at places like MIT, RPI, RIT, WPI, > and other techie > > I don't know how much it matters that it be a techie school. I > DO consider OSU to be a techie school, but most of our effort has come > off of the business department's computers. I think that having LOTS > of computers that are well-administrated helps. It also helps that we > have such a simple client. It will be incredibly easy to set the > client up on the ..ENGR.ORST.EDU clusters, because they all share home > directories, etc... If I were living in one of our dorms, I would > probably have the client running on the computers of everyone on my > floor, for example. > > Carleton>schools, where there are enough dedicated computer scientists > who would care > Carleton>about such things, and coincidentally enough, tend to have > powerful > Carleton>computers to crack considerable numbers of codes... > > I keep trying to make the point that it's much better to go > around finding lots of little computers then to try and find the > biggest. It would be NICE if we could get time on the CM5 over in the > Oceanography department, but it will be 100x easier to get the client > going on the hundreds of machines that are sitting on the desktops of > grad students. Big machines are merely impressive to look at. In > this case, we need lots of little machines. > > --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > From owner-deschall Wed Apr 2 12:08:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26916 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26909 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from eesun2.tamu.edu(128.194.24.178) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026904; Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:08:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (ronjeet@localhost) by ee.tamu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26882 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:15:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:15:13 -0600 (CST) From: Ronjeet Singh Lal To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Recruiting More People In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi All! I have a few comments on "Recruiting More People". 1. As for the .EDU domains, probably the easiest machines you may have access to are all the computers in the dorms. These days the students at many universities have ethernet in the dorm rooms and don't pay monthly electrical bills. If you can contact those students, I feel the number of machines would greatly increase. Besides "Crack DES" has a hacker spirit to it that most college students would be willing to join. Yes, the computer labs are the best places since there are so many machines and an administrator, but I can sympathize with the sys admin. One stupid program playing with any of the system configurations could cost them dearly. (I'm not saying DESCHAL is such a program. Just try to understand the sys admins position.) The press release should help in all our recruiting. 2. As for .COM domains... I think we could get some corporate support from the computer manufacturers if we present the benefits for finding the key. If the key were found on say a Compaq machine, Compaq could claim that their new workstations are fast. (This is not to say that I am supporting the claim.) Breaking DES on a machine could give the manufacturer a few nice press releases about how well their machines work and are constructed. I know Cray/SGI put out press releases on the last largest prime number they discovered. Although the largest prime discovered to date was not on a Cray, it still looks nice that Cray can claim to have discovered several of the largest prime numbers. By the way this can also work for the universities... Keep up the good work, Ron ronjeet@ee.tamu.edu From owner-deschall Wed Apr 2 12:38:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27154 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27146 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027142; Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:37:31 -0500 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA18984 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:44:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id MAA24328 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:44:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:44:34 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Recruiting More People; .EDU sites (rambles) In-Reply-To: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D157092910132D@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Adam Haberlach wrote: > > Note: We have enough data by now that I'm thinking of writing a > > script to generate graphs of our search rate with regard to time, to > > see if we can correlate with things like spring break and holidays). Funny, I was just about to sit down and to the same thing... :-) > > He is so impressed by our being first place, and the odds that we're > > going to win that he is now prosetylizing around campus to everyone > > else in Wintel platforms, trying to drum up more support. FWIW, it's interesting that the client that found the key for the 48bit RC5 client wasn't in the top 10. It was like 30th on the list by top domains. On another note, have any .edu users figured out what to do with the $$$ if you win? After all, we're using school resources, and most (all?) schools have rules about using systems for personal profit. I havn't dealt with the issue yet, but I'd probably just be donating it to EFF or someone similar. > > We are currently waiting for word from some of the Engineering > > profs for a blessing to set the HP-PA client up on around 200 HP 7xx > > machines run by the department. Sounds exactly like my set up. :-) > > [2] We buttered him up with the prestige that being part of the first > > successful project to crack DES would bring, especially if we were the > > top search contributers when it happened. Well, this isn't actually the first successful DES crack. [Even if you discount the virtual certainty that the NSA does it all the time. :)] At least one chosen-plaintext attack has been done as a demonstration (took about 4 days with 30 workstations). This is a little different than a brute force attack, though... Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us." -- Paul Vale'ry, 1895 From owner-deschall Wed Apr 2 23:50:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01149 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01144 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001139; Wed, 2 Apr 97 23:49:55 -0500 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA11219 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:57:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA17243 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:57:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Statistics Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Out of curiousity, when are the statistics updated? I notice that they end at midnight, but are not actually updated for an hour or more. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "No one can be as calculatedly rude as the British, which amazes Americans, who do not understand studied insult and can only offer abuse as a substitute." --Paul Gallico, U.S. novelist (1897-1976). From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 01:02:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA01381 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA01364 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001354; Thu, 3 Apr 97 01:02:23 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id BAA17355 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017353; Thu, 3 Apr 97 01:07:54 -0500 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11877; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:09:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:09:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704030609.BAA11877@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Legal advice on crypto export, two other things X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgi.com(192.48.153.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001639; Thu, 3 Apr 97 02:23:25 -0500 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA02355 for <@sgi.engr.sgi.com:deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:30:30 -0800 Received: from razor.engr.sgi.com (razor.engr.sgi.com [192.48.150.191]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA25649 for <@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com:deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:30:28 -0800 Received: (from das@localhost) by razor.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA25237 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:30:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:30:25 -0800 From: das@razor.engr.sgi.com (Anil Das) Message-Id: <9704022330.ZM25235@razor.engr.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: C Matthew Curtin "Legal advice on crypto export, two other things" (Apr 3, 1:09am) References: <199704030609.BAA11877@goffette.research.megasoft.com> X-Face: "?weGmoHH+\aL1I%C].AhM~d\/%e/R?AgP@w|vk}_[ngSY{]86hfmBj) Subject: Legal advice on crypto export, two other things > Hi, > > I've got some friend-of-a-friend things going on to get some > information about US crypto export law, and its applicability to our > project. If you are talking about exporting the client portion of deschall to get worldwide participation. a) I've heard that it has already been pirated abroad. b) As I said on cypherpunks some time back, it is arguable whether the deschall client is "encryption software". It doesn't allow anybody to encrypt their data files or communication lines. The correct thing to do is to ask the BXA for a commodity jurisdiction advisory to clarify whether the deschall client needs a license to export. How to apply for a CJ is detailed in the EAR. c) It is obvious, at least to me, that the deschall client is a research tool and not commercial software. As such the EAR doesn't prohibit providing the source code to somebody in Europe in paper form. If Rocke is willing to do this with an European reasearch associate, under a non-disclosure agreement, it is again advisable to get a commodity jurisdiction decision from the BXA first. Best of luck. -- Anil Das From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 11:09:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03642 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03631 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from interzone.networks.bgs.com(204.164.148.21) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003622; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:08:34 -0500 Received: from apex.BESTview (apex.networks.bgs.com [204.164.148.23]) by networks.bgs.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11081 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by apex.BESTview (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA14927; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:15:47 -0500 From: lee@networks.bgs.com (Lee Sonko) Message-Id: <199704031615.LAA14927@apex.BESTview> Subject: running as overnight cron job To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:15:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This might be appropriate to put on the web page. At my office, I can't run deschall during the day so I have set up some cron jobs to start in the evening and have the output emailed to me. Although these scripts are 'trivial' to a unix sysadmin, it might be useful if I posted what I wrote so others can work from it. script "desstart" ---------------------- #!/bin/sh /[desdirectory]/desrun 2>&1 | /usr/bin/mailx -s "DES hunting `/usr/bin/date +%D` on `/usr/bin/hostname`" [person@running.deschall.com] ---------------------- script "desrun" ---------------------- #!/bin/sh ECHO="/usr/bin/echo" $ECHO "hostname = `/usr/ucb/hostname`" $ECHO "start time = `/usr/bin/date`" $ECHO " " /[desdirectory]/deschall keymaster.verser.frii.com $ECHO " " $ECHO "end time = `/usr/bin/date`" ---------------------- script "desstop" ---------------------- #!/bin/sh # kill all jobs that have the word "deschall" in them /usr/bin/kill `/bin/ps -e -o pid -o args | /usr/bin/grep deschall | /usr/bin/grep -v grep | /usr/bin/cut -b1-5` ---------------------- crontab file (this is for a dual processor machine.. start one at 8pm, a second at midnight. Then kill 'em both at 5am. On the weekends, run longer) ---------------------- # # minute hour day month day (0=sun) # # Weekdays 0 20 * * 1-5 /net/beakman/home/lee/cron/desstart 0 0 * * 1-5 /net/beakman/home/lee/cron/desstart 0 5 * * 1-5 /net/beakman/home/lee/cron/desstop # # Weekends 0 18 * * 0,6 /net/beakman/home/lee/cron/desstart 0 0 * * 0,6 /net/beakman/home/lee/cron/desstart 0 8 * * 0,6 /net/beakman/home/lee/cron/desstop # # ---------------------- enjoy, Lee Sonko From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 11:22:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03746 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03737 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003731; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:22:18 -0500 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA28017 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:29:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA03770 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:29:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: running as overnight cron job In-Reply-To: <199704031615.LAA14927@apex.BESTview> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Lee Sonko wrote: > This might be appropriate to put on the web page. > > At my office, I can't run deschall during the day so I have set up some > cron jobs to start in the evening and have the output emailed to me. > Although these scripts are 'trivial' to a unix sysadmin, it might be > useful if I posted what I wrote so others can work from it. FWIW, I've also got a number of perl scripts doing much the same thing, although they track statistics for me too. If anyone wants them, let me know. Their output can be seen at GnuPlot graphs available shortly. :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I am glad I will not be young in a future without wilderness. -- Aldo Leopold From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 12:21:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04196 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04191 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004189; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:21:16 -0500 Received: from sector.com (cl8-p2.chatlink.com [205.139.105.188]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09610 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:26:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 09:27:59 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Number of Clients/IP Addreress Message-Id: <860077679-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860077679-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk A way to fix the number of clients for Dynamic IP addresses and multiple clients hidding behind one IP address. Assign each client a unique ID number. The best way I see to do this would be to have each Deschall client request a unique ID number from the server on it's initial connection, this way nobody would have to try and assign a unique number to every client out there it would be handled by the server. If the client doesn't request a unique ID number just continue on as normal so it doesn't break existing clients. Any comments/suggestions? From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 12:44:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04366 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04358 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from unknown(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004354; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:43:43 -0500 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id JAA29760 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id MAA14680; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:47:26 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860100406; Thu, 03 Apr 97 12:46:34 EST Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 12:46:34 EST Message-Id: <9703038601.AA860100406@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Number of Clients/IP Addreress Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Sent: Thursday, April 03, 1997 12:35 PM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Number of Clients/IP Addreress >Assign each client a unique ID number. The best way I see to do >this would be to have each Deschall client request a unique ID >number from the server on it's initial connection, this way nobody >would have to try and assign a unique number to every client out >there it would be handled by the server. If the client doesn't request >a unique ID number just continue on as normal so it doesn't break >existing clients. I like it. Two silly questions though, where would the ID numbers be stored, on the client end, or the server end? If it's stored at the server end, what happens if there are two many ID's assigned? And how do the machines generate their first individual ID, some kind of time-date-stamp? My second question is, if you have ID's, you might want to set some variable, tied to a particular ID with an identification of some sort. I know in my example, I'd want to identify all the machines I'd be faking IP addresses for (Each machine would appear to be something at.167.20, I'd just like to keep track of them, both for the stats, and to narrow down people complaints. Good idea though, really! From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 14:20:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04939 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04934 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004929; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:19:36 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id OAA24633 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024619; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:24:45 -0500 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13854; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:25:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:25:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704031925.OAA13854@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: DES in the financial community X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005556; Thu, 3 Apr 97 15:54:12 -0500 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA09332 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:01:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA02959 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:01:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:01:12 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release In-Reply-To: <199704020628.BAA08923@goffette.research.megasoft.com> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, C Matthew Curtin wrote: > for a needle in a proverbial haystack. The "needle" is the > cryptographic key used to encrypt a given message, and the > "haystack" is the huge pile of possible keys: 72,057,594,037,927,936 > (that's over 72 quadrillion) of them. Just for kicks, and go possibly give people a sense of scale: Assuming a single piece of hay (straw? :) is a 10cm long, .2 cm wide cylinder, and they're all packed fairly tightly together... V_haystack = (2**56) * 10cm * pi * .01cm = (2**56) * .311415926 = 22,637,560,806,492,498 cm^3 given that V_sphere = 4/3 * pi * r**3... [haystacks are not spheres, but we'll assume it's a half-sphere by doubling the volume] r_haystack = 2.21km = 1.37 miles So, we're looking for a needle in a haystack over 2.5 miles wide, 1 mile high. :-) Hmm. Given that I've done about 5% of the .2% we've searched (I think), I've searched through a haystack about 230 yards wide, 115 yards high. *looks out the window towards OSU's football stadium* Yikes! That's big! Hmm. So a client searching 100,000 keys/sec is searching through a cube of hay about 1 foot/side every second. Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ". . . my purpose is not to examine all the possibilities. My purpose is to create strife and controversy for no reason." Dave Barry From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 16:27:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05796 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05791 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:27:05 -0500 (EST) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from unknown(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005789; Thu, 3 Apr 97 16:27:00 -0500 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id NAA10717 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id QAA19063; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:30:43 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860113785; Thu, 03 Apr 97 16:31:12 EST Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 16:31:12 EST Message-Id: <9703038601.AA860113785@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Final (?) Draft of Press Release Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Justin Dolske Sent: Thursday, April 03, 1997 4:23 PM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, C Matthew Curtin wrote: >Hmm. So a client searching 100,000 keys/sec is searching through a cube of >hay about 1 foot/side every second. Maybe we should start calling ourselves code-farmers? or Maybe Server-herders? From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 16:36:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05878 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05873 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005871; Thu, 3 Apr 97 16:36:28 -0500 Received: from darkwing.stu.rpi.edu (darkwing.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.162.187]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA34012 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <33442453.7FF7@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:42:43 -0500 From: Brian Osman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Justin Dolske wrote: > > Hmm. So a client searching 100,000 keys/sec is searching through a cube of > hay about 1 foot/side every second. > > Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) > > Justin Dolske My pitchfork is bigger than your pitchfork! =) Brian From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 16:46:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05935 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05928 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005924; Thu, 3 Apr 97 16:45:53 -0500 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA11433 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:53:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA03789 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:53:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:52:56 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release In-Reply-To: <33442453.7FF7@rpi.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brian Osman wrote: > > Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) > > My pitchfork is bigger than your pitchfork! =) 718816*2^20 189 ohio-state.edu. 373728*2^20 22 rpi.edu. Maybe so, but I've got more tines. :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To do is to be. -- Nietzsche To be is to do. -- Sartre Do be do be do. -- Sinatra From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 16:55:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05998 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05993 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.wpi.edu(130.215.24.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005991; Thu, 3 Apr 97 16:55:05 -0500 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (root@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.6.Alpha2) with ESMTP id RAA08678; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:02:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (kev@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wpi.WPI.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.6.Alpha2) with SMTP id RAA25714; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Amorin To: Justin Dolske cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Justin Dolske wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brian Osman wrote: > > > > Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) > > > > My pitchfork is bigger than your pitchfork! =) > > Maybe so, but I've got more tines. :-) same here. 918904*2^20 32 WPI.EDU > 718816*2^20 189 ohio-state.edu. > 373728*2^20 22 rpi.edu. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 17:01:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06035 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06028 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006024; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:01:00 -0500 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA12116 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:08:11 -0500 From: guy albertelli Received: (albertel@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) id RAA16131 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:08:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704032208.RAA16131@cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:08:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Kevin Amorin" at Apr 3, 97 05:02:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Justin Dolske wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brian Osman wrote: > > > > > > Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) > > > > > > My pitchfork is bigger than your pitchfork! =) > > > > Maybe so, but I've got more tines. :-) > > same here. > > 918904*2^20 32 WPI.EDU > > 718816*2^20 189 ohio-state.edu. > > 373728*2^20 22 rpi.edu. This place may have only one tine, but it sure is big. 681984*2^20 1 207.196 Anyone know what this beast is? -- Guy Albertelli II albertel@pilot.msu.edu | "And God rested, chuckling at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~albertel | His own little play on words" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why should I waste my time reliving the past when I can spend it worrying about the future? From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 17:04:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06057 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06052 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006050; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:04:15 -0500 Received: from darkwing.stu.rpi.edu (darkwing.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.162.187]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA38148 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:11:26 -0500 Message-ID: <33442AD3.13AF@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:10:27 -0500 From: Brian Osman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Kevin Amorin wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Justin Dolske wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brian Osman wrote: > > > > > > Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) > > > > > > My pitchfork is bigger than your pitchfork! =) > > > > Maybe so, but I've got more tines. :-) > > same here. > > 918904*2^20 32 WPI.EDU > > 718816*2^20 189 ohio-state.edu. > > 373728*2^20 22 rpi.edu. We are just getting started... (I'll get back to you in a few more days...) ;) Brian From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 17:53:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06302 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06295 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006291; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:52:45 -0500 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA14071 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:59:56 -0500 From: guy albertelli Received: (albertel@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) id RAA18559 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:59:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704032259.RAA18559@cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: More numbers to ignore To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:59:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk So I took the data off the progress stats page, found the ratio between each total keyspace so completed and extraplotated from there. The avergage change in growth was 1.12658, if we can keep this rate up it will take 84 days more to complete the entire space. Say interest flags a little, or the market gets a bit more saturated and we drop to an average growth rate of 1.1 it will take 105 days more to complete the entire space. Say, with the press realease and all going out, that interest picks up such that we get an average growth rate of 1.13, then it will take 82 days to complete the enitre keyspace. All of these require about 5000 times the current effort. We currently have about 900 machines participating where we will have 4.5 million machines by the end. I think we might need more than one press release to reach this . . :) Enjoy -- Guy Albertelli II albertel@pilot.msu.edu | "And God rested, chuckling at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~albertel | His own little play on words" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need not suffer in silence while I can still moan, whimper and complain. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 18:52:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06660 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06655 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006653; Thu, 3 Apr 97 18:52:29 -0500 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY94KH>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:02:09 -0800 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101335@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Final (?) Draft of Press Release Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:02:08 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >> > Have I carried this analogy too far? :-) > >> > >> My pitchfork is bigger than your pitchfork! =) > >718816*2^20 189 ohio-state.edu. > >373728*2^20 22 rpi.edu. > >Maybe so, but I've got more tines. :-) > > We've got the combine going over here... > > > --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 19:48:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06851 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06846 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006844; Thu, 3 Apr 97 19:47:49 -0500 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA04621; Thu, 3 Apr 97 16:55:01 PST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 16:55:01 PST From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704040055.AA04621@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release In-Reply-To: Mail from 'guy albertelli ' dated: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:08:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: runge@redhook.llnl.gov Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, guy albertelli wrote: [...] > > 918904*2^20 32 WPI.EDU > > > 718816*2^20 189 ohio-state.edu. > > > 373728*2^20 22 rpi.edu. > > This place may have only one tine, but it sure is big. > > 681984*2^20 1 207.196 > > Anyone know what this beast is? It might be a udp proxy handling a number of machines. Or would a Quad PPro 200 be around that rate? Karl BTW, I written some perl scripts to redirect udp traffic on my two (pitifully slow) machine home LAN to the keyserver (udp traffic on my slip link is flakey). It's been working well for 5 days now (Well, Rocke hasn't complained that I'm messing up the server). If any body has a situation where they think they may benefit from something like this just drop me a line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge Linux: Anything else would be uncivilized... (510)-516-7127 From owner-deschall Thu Apr 3 20:02:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06893 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06888 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006886; Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:02:02 -0500 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA05310; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:09:08 PST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:09:08 PST From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704040109.AA05310@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Justin Dolske ' dated: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:59:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: runge@redhook.llnl.gov Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Justin Dolske wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Karl J. Runge wrote: > > > BTW, I written some perl scripts to redirect udp traffic on my two > > (pitifully slow) machine home LAN to the keyserver (udp traffic on my > > slip link is flakey). It's been working well for 5 days now (Well, Rocke > > hasn't complained that I'm messing up the server). If any body has a > > situation where they think they may benefit from something like this > > just drop me a line. > > Great... I've been talking with Rocke about doing exactly that, and was > just about to get started. Could I take a look at your scripts? Sure, let me add a comment or two after work and I'll get them to you in a few hours. I'll detail some of the things I've done for my setup and we can decide what, if anything, is transferable to client runners in the large. Karl PS. Does anyone know if the recent perl ports to NT and Win95 support the socket library? I know, I'm probably dreaming... From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 01:56:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07824 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07813 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007809; Fri, 4 Apr 97 01:56:36 -0500 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id CAA25954 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:03:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id CAA13925 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:03:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:03:40 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Numbers, Statistics, and Graphs -- Oh my! Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Well, I was a little bored today, so I sat down and wrote some stuff to generate some graphs of how things are going. For the results, see: Feel free to link to the graphs, they're automagically updated every morning at 9:30am. Rocke: Perhaps you'd like to put these on the progress statistics page? Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Some mornings I wonder if it's worth chewing through the leather restraining straps. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 07:07:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08504 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08499 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au(134.148.24.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008497; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:07:20 -0500 Received: from uucp-gateway by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.1-8 #21152) id <0E844KF010053B@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:12:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (kastlore.hna.com.au [200.90.1.36]) by praetor.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA18325 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:26:45 +1000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 21:12:12 +1000 From: Andrew Glazebrook Subject: intel-clone CPU's To: DES Challange Mailing List Reply-to: Andrew Glazebrook Message-id: <199704040926.TAA18325@praetor.hna.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Andrew Glazebrook's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi. Has anyone else been using deschall with intel clone CPU's? For some reason the 586-133 linux box here is processing keys at a rate closer to my 486dx2-66 linux box than my P90 OS/2 computer (and the P90 does about twice as many keys as the 486). Are there any plans on releasing intel clone editions of deschall (I'm upgrading to a 686-P200 clone soon), as it seems strange that the 586 clone should be so much slower than the P90. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 07:29:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08565 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08560 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from unknown(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008558; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:28:54 -0500 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id EAA01490 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id HAA26440; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:32:38 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860167926; Fri, 04 Apr 97 07:35:10 EST Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 07:35:10 EST Message-Id: <9703048601.AA860167926@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Final (?) Draft of Press Release Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Sent: Thursday, April 03, 1997 4:55 PM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Cc: runge@redhook.llnl.gov Subject: Re: Final (?) Draft of Press Release >On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, guy albertelli wrote: > >> This place may have only one tine, but it sure is big. >> >> 681984*2^20 1 207.196 >> >> Anyone know what this beast is? > >It might be a udp proxy handling a number of machines. Or would >a Quad PPro 200 be around that rate? I don't know if it's comparable. I tested the a Compaq Pentium-Pro 200 (w/ 512 cache) 4-Way Server, and it made 2.2 million keys per second under BrydDes. Unfortunately there was no way to map an IP address to test it. :( BTW, I written some perl scripts to redirect udp traffic on my two (pitifully slow) machine home LAN to the keyserver (udp traffic on my slip link is flakey). It's been working well for 5 days now (Well, Rocke hasn't complained that I'm messing up the server). If any body has a situation where they think they may benefit from something like this just drop me a line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge Linux: Anything else would be uncivilized... (510)-516-7127 << File: RFC822.TXT >> From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 07:33:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08591 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08586 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from unknown(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008584; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:32:54 -0500 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id EAA01540 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id HAA26463; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:36:38 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860168167; Fri, 04 Apr 97 07:38:28 EST Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 07:38:28 EST Message-Id: <9703048601.AA860168167@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: intel-clone CPU's Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >From what I have observed of Intel Clones (5X86 and AMD K5 clones) they don't seem to process math as efficently as Pentiums do. I don't know if it's by design or do they have to be written to some specific manner. For comparison's sake, an AMD K-something, it's equivalant to a 75 Mhz Pentium, seems to run just a bit faster than a DX4-100. I don't know, I'm not an expert in MPU design but it definately seems odd. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Glazebrook Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 7:18 AM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: intel-clone CPU's Hi. Has anyone else been using deschall with intel clone CPU's? For some reason the 586-133 linux box here is processing keys at a rate closer to my 486dx2-66 linux box than my P90 OS/2 computer (and the P90 does about twice as many keys as the 486). Are there any plans on releasing intel clone editions of deschall (I'm upgrading to a 686-P200 clone soon), as it seems strange that the 586 clone should be so much slower than the P90. << File: RFC822.TXT >> From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 11:21:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10420 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10415 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010413; Fri, 4 Apr 97 11:21:26 -0500 Received: from sector.com (cl1-p9.chatlink.com [205.139.105.209]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29309 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:27:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:28:33 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: RE: intel-clone CPU's Message-Id: <860160513-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860160513-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >From what I have observed of Intel Clones (5X86 and AMD K5 clones) they don't seem to process math as efficently as Pentiums do. I don't know if it's by design or do they have to be written to some specific manner. For comparison's sake, an AMD K-something, it's equivalant to a 75 Mhz Pentium, seems to run just a bit faster than a DX4-100. I don't know, I'm not an expert in MPU design but it definately seems odd. Hi. Has anyone else been using deschall with intel clone CPU's? For some reason the 586-133 linux box here is processing keys at a rate closer to my 486dx2-66 linux box than my P90 OS/2 computer (and the P90 does about twice as many keys as the 486). Are there any plans on releasing intel clone editions of deschall (I'm upgrading to a 686-P200 clone soon), as it seems strange that the 586 clone should be so much slower than the P90. I'm running Deschall on an IBM (Cyrix) 686-133mhz, it performs slower then on an Intel Pentium 120mhz. Though normally this chip will outrun an Intel 166mhz Pentium except in FPU, and Deschall uses 100% integer. I think the problem comes from the fact that Deschall is optimized for the Intel Pentium and the non-Intel chips use a different internal architecture making the optimizations different. I've noticed in my case the deschal4 (486) and deschal5 (Pentium) both run at the same rate. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 12:15:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10878 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10869 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010853; Fri, 4 Apr 97 12:14:47 -0500 Received: from redhook.via.term.none (redhook.llnl.gov) by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA02010; Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:21:57 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:21 PST To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Broken link to charts From: runge@crl.com (Karl J. Runge) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On page: http://www.frii.com/~rcv/desstat.htm there is that should read
  • One user's charts of DESCHALL progress ^^^^^^^ BTW, thanks to Justin for the charts, I have been adding by hand daily to a Deschall Keys / day plot of my own, but now I don't have to! Best, Karl From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 14:00:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11600 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11593 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011589; Fri, 4 Apr 97 14:00:34 -0500 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY943Y>; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:10:10 -0800 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D157092910133B@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: DES Challange Mailing List Subject: RE: intel-clone CPU's Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:10:08 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Has anyone else been using deschall with intel clone CPU's? For some > >reason the 586-133 linux box here is processing keys at a rate closer > to > >my 486dx2-66 linux box than my P90 OS/2 computer (and the P90 does > about > >twice as many keys as the 486). Are there any plans on releasing > intel > >clone editions of deschall (I'm upgrading to a 686-P200 clone soon), > as it > >seems strange that the 586 clone should be so much slower than the > P90. > > I've heard that the AMD 586 is actually a 486-class proc. I > don't know a whole lot about the Cyrix 686. I also know that there > are significantly different optmizations required. > > --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 14:25:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11831 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11826 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011821; Fri, 4 Apr 97 14:24:44 -0500 Received: from sector.com (cl7-p2.chatlink.com [205.139.105.179]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03467; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:30:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:31:52 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com, u@mail.chatlink.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: RE: intel-clone CPU's Message-Id: <860171512-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860171512-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Has anyone else been using deschall with intel clone CPU's? For some > >reason the 586-133 linux box here is processing keys at a rate closer > to > >my 486dx2-66 linux box than my P90 OS/2 computer (and the P90 does > about > >twice as many keys as the 486). Are there any plans on releasing > intel > >clone editions of deschall (I'm upgrading to a 686-P200 clone soon), > as it > >seems strange that the 586 clone should be so much slower than the > P90. > > I've heard that the AMD 586 is actually a 486-class proc. I > don't know a whole lot about the Cyrix 686. I also know that there > are significantly different optmizations required. Correct, AMD may call it a 586 but it's really a 486 type processor. The Cyrix/IBM 686 is a pentium class processor though. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 14:58:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12195 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12190 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from interzone.networks.bgs.com(204.164.148.21) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012188; Fri, 4 Apr 97 14:57:54 -0500 Received: from apex.BESTview (apex.networks.bgs.com [204.164.148.23]) by networks.bgs.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21989 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by apex.BESTview (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19106; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:05:16 -0500 From: lee@networks.bgs.com (Lee Sonko) Message-Id: <199704042005.PAA19106@apex.BESTview> Subject: rough calculations To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:05:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to verify a couple numbers..... Here are some rough calculations.... assumptions: the Cray T3E-900 supercomputer can do 1.8 teraflops http://www.cray.com/PUBLIC/WHATS_NEW/PRODUCTS/CRAY_T3E-900.html a Pentium 120 runs at about 100 MIPS http://www.bsdi.com/white-papers/becoming-an-isp-kolstad.html ASS-U-M-ing 1 flop = 1 mip.... 100,000,000 1 ------------------- = --------------- 180,000,000,000,000 1,800,000 BEWARE: MIP numbers can be extremely unreliable but the order of magnitude is about right a Pentium 120 running linux (about 100 MIPS) and DESCHALL can break 600,000 keys/sec a Cray Cray T3E-900 supercomputer can do 1.8 teraflops and break 600,000*1,800,000= 1080000000000 keys/sec There are 72,057,594,037,927,936 DES keys http://www.law.miami.edu/c6.html 1 Pentium 120 hunting 600,000 keys/sec will take 120095990063 seconds or 3808 years to hunt the entire keyspace. 4.5 million P120's would crank out 2700000000000 keys/sec and hunt the entire keyspace in 7 hours. 1 Cray T3E-900 hunting 600,000*1,800,000=1080000000000 keys per second will hunt the entire keyspace in 18 hours. The MIPS vs FLOPS thing could be off by up to 2 orders of magnitude, but, at it's worst, the cray can crack DES in 1800 hours= 75 days From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 15:11:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12253 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12248 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012246; Fri, 4 Apr 97 15:10:52 -0500 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA20169 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:18:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA15183 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:18:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Dolske Reply-To: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: rough calculations In-Reply-To: <199704042005.PAA19106@apex.BESTview> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Lee Sonko wrote: > assumptions: > the Cray T3E-900 supercomputer can do 1.8 teraflops > http://www.cray.com/PUBLIC/WHATS_NEW/PRODUCTS/CRAY_T3E-900.html > a Pentium 120 runs at about 100 MIPS > http://www.bsdi.com/white-papers/becoming-an-isp-kolstad.html Well, you're sorta compating apples-and-oranges. Cray's Web page indicates that the T3E-900 is scalable to "thousands" of processors. They say each processor does around 900mf, so a 2000 processor system seems to be the system that's doing 1.8tf. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 15:26:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12447 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12440 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from krypton.mankato.msus.edu(134.29.1.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012436; Fri, 4 Apr 97 15:26:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA26901 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:38:16 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: krypton.mankato.msus.edu: hayden owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:38:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" To: DESCHALL Mailing List Subject: Re: rough calculations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-PGP-Fingerprint: D1 0B 53 C9 9A 2F 29 A5 76 2A 5A F6 EC 27 AB B9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We have a 2048 processor MasPar machine here on campus, and pending getting access to it (it's basicly 99% idle right now) and whether a binary could could be released for it, I might be able to get that machine pecking away on the keyspace about 14 to 16 hours a day. *grin* -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Signed with PineSign 2.2 iQCVAwUBM0VKizokqlyVGmCFAQGp1gQAhn9AejHMUhdLTl85etYeqL1L7c7q8pLG Lu6QOt5otiptCUtgWNmsm35MEeCwCGxGAYRHMEcMpNQan86yZsCqyyRBxTqSYvT2 YhvGMlnx/H7FHDhFPaQSfJbpoDNp1vC2Dvi8ItdaSEMV7WOdmKkG0ZsDbfc5+RV9 UCKfj8xuid0= =KVZ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Robert A. Hayden hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/Welcome.html -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GED/J d-- s:++>: a- C++(++++)$ ULUO++ P+>+++ L++ !E---- W+(---) N+++ o+ K+++ w+(---) O- M+$>++ V-- PS++(+++)>$ PE++(+)>$ Y++ PGP++ t- 5+++ X++ R+++>$ tv+ b+ DI+++ D+++ G+++++>$ e++$>++++ h r-- y+** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From owner-deschall Fri Apr 4 19:50:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13727 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13722 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013717; Fri, 4 Apr 97 19:49:55 -0500 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA12281 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:57:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:57:06 -0700 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704050057.RAA12281@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: New clients Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Several new DESCHALL clients are available, including: irix6.2-mips aix3.2-rs6000 aix4.1-rs6000 supersparc Check . -- Rocke From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 02:10:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA14535 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 02:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA14530 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 02:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgi.com(192.48.153.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014528; Sat, 5 Apr 97 02:10:18 -0500 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA21314; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:17:25 -0800 Received: from razor.engr.sgi.com (razor.engr.sgi.com [192.48.150.191]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id XAA12961; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:17:23 -0800 Received: (from das@localhost) by razor.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id XAA05701; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:17:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:17:23 -0800 From: das@razor.engr.sgi.com (Anil Das) Message-Id: <9704042317.ZM5699@razor.engr.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: lee@networks.bgs.com (Lee Sonko) "rough calculations" (Apr 4, 3:05pm) References: <199704042005.PAA19106@apex.BESTview> X-Face: "?weGmoHH+\aL1I%C].AhM~d\/%e/R?AgP@w|vk}_[ngSY{]86hfmBj) Subject: rough calculations > I just wanted to verify a couple numbers..... > > > Here are some rough calculations.... > > assumptions: > the Cray T3E-900 supercomputer can do 1.8 teraflops > http://www.cray.com/PUBLIC/WHATS_NEW/PRODUCTS/CRAY_T3E-900.html > a Pentium 120 runs at about 100 MIPS > http://www.bsdi.com/white-papers/becoming-an-isp-kolstad.html > > ASS-U-M-ing 1 flop = 1 mip.... FLOPS = FLoating point Operations Per Second. MIPS = Millions of Instructions Per Second. I will assume that you are assuming 1000,000 flops = 1 mips. > 100,000,000 1 > ------------------- = --------------- > 180,000,000,000,000 1,800,000 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is 180 trillion, not 1.8 trillion. Your numbers are hence off by a factor of 100. I believe, with properly optimized software (that I don't have now), the 450 MHz Alpha at the heart of the T3E-900 can test on the order of 5 million keys a second. For a fully configured system, that is 10 billion keys per second, or three months for the entire key space. If all one really wanted was to break DES, designing and manufacturing custom hardware works out much cheaper, and you can break a key within minutes rather than months. > > 1 Cray T3E-900 hunting > 600,000*1,800,000=1080000000000 keys per second will hunt the entire keyspace > in 18 hours. > > The MIPS vs FLOPS thing could be off by up to 2 orders of magnitude, but, at it's > worst, the cray can crack DES in 1800 hours= 75 days Your "2 orders of magnitude" corrects for the factor of 100 error above and comes up with an estimate not much different from mine. -- Anil Das From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 10:41:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16778 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16773 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from kelly.iaonline.com(206.68.129.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016771; Sat, 5 Apr 97 10:41:28 -0500 Received: from dialup25.iaonline.com (dialup25.iaonline.com [206.68.128.203]) by kelly.iaonline.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA12260 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:54:36 -0600 Received: by dialup25.iaonline.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC41A6.760D7020@dialup25.iaonline.com>; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:48:06 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC41A6.760D7020@dialup25.iaonline.com> From: "Michael R. McClelland" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: 24 Hour Ratings Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:47:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've noticed that every disconnect/reconnect to my server is being = counted as another client from iaonline.com. I'm guessing that this is = due to automatically assigned IP addresses like dialup20, dialup47, etc. = My estimated keys/day is roughly equivalent to the number listed for = iaonline.com. While the odds of my Pentium beating a Cray to the right = key are laughable, the question of how I would be identified in that = unlikely event has crossed my mind. I assume that someone at = http://www.frii.com/~rcv/ would have to call my server and find out who = was logged on to dialup(whatever).iaonline.com at xx:xx:xx GMT. Is this = right? Can just anyone get that information from my server? If so how? = I'd be sending some e-mail if the deschall client informed me that it = had found the key but what if I somehow missed it. Just wondering...=20 Michael R. McClelland drizzt@iaonline.com=20 http://www.iaonline.com/users/drizzt/home.htm =20 From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 10:53:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16813 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16808 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from milliways.blee.net(130.215.240.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016806; Sat, 5 Apr 97 10:53:06 -0500 Received: (from woodbad@localhost) by milliways.blee.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA04705; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:00:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 11:00:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Adam D. Woodbury" To: "Michael R. McClelland" cc: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: 24 Hour Ratings In-Reply-To: <01BC41A6.760D7020@dialup25.iaonline.com> Message-ID: Organization: BleeNET - a cooperative network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, thats an interesting question. One possiblity (used by another team I might add) is to give the client an email address as part of its command line. This could be added to future clients, and not required by the server. This way, new clients that wanted to could include an email, while those who don't, or have older clients wouldn't have to. Adam --- Adam D. Woodbury "I want her love for the fool I am - woodbad@blee.net or not at all." - Edmond Rostand Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 15:35:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17314 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 15:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17309 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 15:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017304; Sat, 5 Apr 97 15:34:46 -0500 Received: from darkwing.stu.rpi.edu (darkwing.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.162.187]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20836 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 15:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3346B8D9.574F@rpi.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 15:40:57 -0500 From: Brian Osman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Pitchforks X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Excuse me, Was someone saying something about pitchforks the other day? Perhaps relating to tines? I can't remember... 1225208*2^20 161 rpi.edu. 1064128*2^20 38 WPI.EDU. 1010872*2^20 191 ohio-state.edu. (And just wait for tomorrow...) (= Brian From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 16:27:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17380 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17375 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017373; Sat, 5 Apr 97 16:27:01 -0500 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13067-18128>; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:34:07 -0700 Subject: Shutting down DESCHALL From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:34:04 -0700 (MST) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Apr5.143407-0700_mst.13067-18128+97@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I am running the linux P5 version of the client. Occasionally, I would need to go to Windows and so I have to reboot. Currently, I look at the log file to wait until the last block is done, and then use "kill" to terminate DESCHALL. Is this the right way, or is there a better one? In particular, if I just kill my client, will my keyblock be reassigned to someone else (I hope so). Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so. - Galilei Galileo From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 16:53:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17422 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17417 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017415; Sat, 5 Apr 97 16:52:40 -0500 Received: from sector.com (cl8-p4.chatlink.com [205.139.105.190]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA31150 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:58:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 13:59:48 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Shutting down DESCHALL Message-Id: <860266788-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860266788-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I am running the linux P5 version of the client. Occasionally, I would need to go to Windows and so I have to reboot. Currently, I look at the log file to wait until the last block is done, and then use "kill" to terminate DESCHALL. Is this the right way, or is there a better one? In particular, if I just kill my client, will my keyblock be reassigned to someone else (I hope so). Keys expire after two hours. That is if your key isn't returned within two hours it's up for grabs. From owner-deschall Sat Apr 5 18:13:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17562 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17557 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017555; Sat, 5 Apr 97 18:13:27 -0500 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA15636; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:20:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:20:38 -0700 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704052320.QAA15636@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca Subject: Re: Shutting down DESCHALL Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I am running the linux P5 version of the client. Occasionally, I would > need to go to Windows and so I have to reboot. Currently, I look at the > log file to wait until the last block is done, and then use "kill" to > terminate DESCHALL. Is this the right way, or is there a better one? > In particular, if I just kill my client, will my keyblock be reassigned > to someone else (I hope so). > > Howard Howard: The method you describe is perfect. You can kill the client at any time. Whatever block it was working on will be reassigned to you or to another client. Killing the client soon after a new keyspace begins means few wasted cycles on your machine. To elaborate on a previous response you received... Currently, unreturned keyspaces expire and are reassigned when I rotate the logs. I have been rotating the logs about 2 hours after midnight, and expiring all unreturned keys issued during the previous midnight-to-midnight period. The shortest time before a key expires is thus about 2 hours. The longest time is about 26 hours. As the load on the server increases, I will probably start rotating the logs more than once per day, and I will try to get a more uniform sliding timeout period of (say) 6 hours. -- Rocke From owner-deschall Sun Apr 6 05:30:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18724 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 05:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18719 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 05:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.oleane.net(194.2.1.6) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018717; Sun, 6 Apr 97 05:30:36 -0400 Received: from joel (joel.apsydev.com [194.3.103.40]) by relay4.oleane.net with ESMTP id LAA31999 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:39:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199704060939.LAA31999@relay4.oleane.net> From: "Joel Armengaud" To: Subject: UDP Procotol Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:35:42 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Could someone explain the numbers in the UDP protocol used between the client and the server? Here is a sample exchange: Server -> Client: A2 - - - 54A4701A01010101 E060E8459B7B4442 30 Client -> Server: N2[AE1A310C/48C73901] 30 A2 - - - 54A4701A01010101 E060E8459B7B4442 30 From owner-deschall Mon Apr 7 13:41:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA24885 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA24879 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024877; Mon, 7 Apr 97 13:40:58 -0400 Received: from eye.cis.ohio-state.edu (eye.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA12956 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:48:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by eye.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA26220 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eye.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: running as overnight cron job (fwd) Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kurt Schneckenburger To: Justin Dolske Subject: Re: running as overnight cron job Looking for something similar for NT 4.0. I can use the scheduler to start the job, but don't know how to kill it. Any ideas? Not sure how to post this to the list server, could you forward it? _______________________________ >On 3 Apr 97 11:29AM Justin Dolske wrote in "running as overnight cron job" .... >On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Lee Sonko wrote: > >> This might be appropriate to put on the web page. >> >> At my office, I can't run deschall during the day so I have set up some >> cron jobs to start in the evening and have the output emailed to me. >> Although these scripts are 'trivial' to a unix sysadmin, it might be >> useful if I posted what I wrote so others can work from it. > >FWIW, I've also got a number of perl scripts doing much the same thing, >although they track statistics for me too. If anyone wants them, let me >know. Their output can be seen at > > >GnuPlot graphs available shortly. :-) > >Justin Dolske >(dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) >Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >I am glad I will not be young in a future without wilderness. > -- Aldo Leopold > - Kurt pp001000@mindspring.com Any statements made made by me in this correspondence are copyrighted. (c) [copyright] From owner-deschall Mon Apr 7 20:27:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27114 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27108 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interzone.networks.bgs.com(204.164.148.21) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027106; Mon, 7 Apr 97 20:27:12 -0400 Received: from apex.BESTview (apex.networks.bgs.com [204.164.148.23]) by networks.bgs.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11224 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apex.BESTview (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA00055; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:34:23 -0400 From: lee@networks.bgs.com (Lee Sonko) Message-Id: <199704080034.UAA00055@apex.BESTview> Subject: refined shell scripts To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:34:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've refined a couple of the Unix shell scripts so they behave better. It's short enough to put all the code right here. Here they are: These will need just a little customization for your location. enjoy, desstart--------- #!/bin/sh hostname=`/usr/bin/hostname` # Most of my network is on an NFS mount but two systems aren't and the directory structure is different. if [ "$hostname" = "system1" ] || [ "$hostname" = "system2" ] then desdir="/home/xxx" else desdir="/home/yyy" fi "$desdir"desrun 2>&1 | /usr/bin/mailx -s "DES hunting `/usr/bin/date +%D` on `/usr/bin/hostname`" my@address.com & desrun----------- #!/bin/sh ECHO="/usr/bin/echo" hostname=`/usr/bin/hostname` if [ "$hostname" = "system1" ] || [ "$hostname" = "system2" ] then desdir="/home/xxx" else desdir="/home/yyy" fi $ECHO "hostname = `/usr/bin/hostname`" $ECHO "start time = `/usr/bin/date`" # This is the only way I can think of to grab the PID... (/usr/bin/sleep 2; $ECHO "PID = `/bin/ps -e -o pid -o args | /usr/bin/grep deschall | /usr/bin/grep -v grep | /usr/bin/awk '{print $1}'`")& $ECHO "\n" "$desdir"deschall keymaster.verser.frii.com $ECHO "\n" $ECHO "end time = `/usr/bin/date`" desstop------------ #!/bin/sh # /usr/bin/echo "killing `/bin/ps -e -o pid -o args | /usr/bin/grep deschall | /usr/bin/grep -v grep | /usr/bin/awk '{print $1}'`" deschall=`/bin/ps -e -o pid -o args | /usr/bin/grep deschall | /usr/bin/grep -v grep | /usr/bin/awk '{print $1}' | /usr/bin/tr -s '\012' " "` if [ "$deschall" ] then `/usr/bin/kill $deschall` fi crontab------------ # minute hour day month day (0=sun) # run desstop on the quarter hour all day just in case something went wrong # when we asked to kill it before. # # Weekdays 0 20 * * 1-5 /home/desstart 0 0 * * 1-5 /home/desstart 0,15,30,45 5-18 * * 1-5 /home/desstop # # Weekends 0 18 * * 0,6 /home/desstart 0 0 * * 0,6 /home/desstart 0,15,30,45 8-17 * * 0,6 /home/desstop # # From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 11:03:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00522 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00514 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meau.me.mt.np.els-gms.att.net(199.191.144.41) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000506; Tue, 8 Apr 97 11:02:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:58:00 +0000 From: MMA!MMAPO!PhillipJ@mmainc.attmail.com (Phillips, Joey (JP)) Received: from mmainc by attmail; Tue Apr 8 15:07 GMT 1997 Subject: DESChall Protocol To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com ('DES Challenge') Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk can someone please mail me the protocol for the DESChall software as posted by Rocke a few weeks ago. Thanks, Joe Phillips home: jaiger@ibm.net work: phillipj@mmainc.attmail.com From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 15:23:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01877 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01872 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelso.pclink.com(204.72.134.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001870; Tue, 8 Apr 97 15:22:57 -0400 Received: from umne686jmathe01.sprintspectrum.com (pm1-04 [206.11.0.44]) by pclink.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA25917 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:30:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199704081930.OAA25917@pclink.com> From: "Icepick" To: "'DES Challenge'" Subject: Windows 95 Autodialer Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:29:43 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Several people have expressed intrest in being able to download larger keyspaces to minimize dial-up time. Now, those of us cursed with limited usage dial up accounts have an answer! I found a program, freeDUM103.zip that will allow one to schedule automated connection/disconnections to your ISP. I setup freeDUM to dial in at 5 and at 35 minutes past the hour on my Pentium 133. A 2*2^29 key search takes about 1650 to 1750 seconds (depending on what I'm doing) so dialing in every half hour makes sense. The dial in times are adjustable and easy to use. I just found it a couple of hours ago, so I don't know for sure all the implications/limitations/bugs/features of this program, but it sure is what I was looking for. The program can be found at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sameerk/freedum.html With this tool, I expect to effectivly double my Keys/sec rate, and lower my on-line usage. What a deal. :) -Josh my faith my grief my fear my blood my trust my flesh my hate my love no more no less no fear no need no height no depth too great godspeed Prove DES is weak, crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 15:44:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02007 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02000 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001995; Tue, 8 Apr 97 15:44:03 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22485 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:51:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:51:16 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704081951.NAA22485@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: CNet (news.com) Article Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk CNet posted an article on the DESCHALL effort a few minutes ago. Byline is Courtney Macavinta. I don't know if news.com links remain constant, but this is the link I used: From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 16:04:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02113 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02108 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002105; Tue, 8 Apr 97 16:03:53 -0400 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA05127 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:11:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA10126 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: CNet (news.com) Article In-Reply-To: <199704081951.NAA22485@dopey.verser.frii.com> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Rocke Verser wrote: > CNet posted an article on the DESCHALL effort a few minutes ago. > Byline is Courtney Macavinta. > > I don't know if news.com links remain constant, but this is > the link I used: > Cool. Publicity. I wonder how this will affect the search rate... Guess we'll find out soon enough. They got the bit about the haystack wrong, though. The haystack is *2.6* miles wide, not 1.3. I suppose that's just nitpicking, though. :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Let me be by myself in the evening breeze, / Listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees, / Send me off forever, but I ask you, please, / Don't fence me in. -- Cole Porter's "Don't Fence Me In" From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 16:31:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02228 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02223 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002221; Tue, 8 Apr 97 16:30:48 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22659; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:37:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:37:59 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704082037.OAA22659@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: CNet (news.com) Article Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > They got the bit about the haystack wrong, though. The haystack is *2.6* > miles wide, not 1.3. I suppose that's just nitpicking, though. :-) The reporter said the liked your analogy, Justin. And I *did* tell her you developed it. But she had a *very short* deadline. Better to get a generally accurate story with a tiny boo-boo than to get nothing at all. Anyway, I accept the blame for the incorrect information. The reporter got it directly from my lips. Sorry. I sent them a little e-mail. [You could always shorten the straws. :) ] -- Rocke From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 22:55:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA03927 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA03922 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003920; Tue, 8 Apr 97 22:55:08 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id WAA03757 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003741; Tue, 8 Apr 97 22:04:17 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28785; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704090204.WAA28785@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Mailing list archives available (sorta :) X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004048; Tue, 8 Apr 97 23:32:11 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13079-889>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:39:20 -0600 Subject: Key server down? From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Apr8.213920-0600_mdt.13079-889+107@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Is the key server down? My client stopped working sometime today (not exactly sure when) as it seems to be waiting for the key server's response. Doing a ping to 206.168.13.85 gives me no response, and a traceroute looks like: traceroute to 206.168.13.85 (206.168.13.85), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router-24-108-2-1 (24.108.2.1) 13.265 ms 18.376 ms 17.26 ms 2 net217host37.videotron.ab.ca (206.75.217.37) 8.288 ms 13.736 ms 18.015 ms 3 net217host6.videotron.ab.ca (206.75.217.6) 16.192 ms 28.565 ms 34.542 ms 4 192.168.60.17 (192.168.60.17) 16.973 ms 34.19 ms 23.925 ms 5 psp2.ab.canet.ca (206.108.107.33) 45.772 ms 43.099 ms 47.283 ms 6 psp2.bc.canet.ca (205.207.238.185) 65.212 ms 75.704 ms 101.281 ms 7 psp.wa.canet.ca (205.207.238.134) 78.797 ms 87.177 ms 71.01 ms 8 border2-hssi1-0.Seattle.mci.net (204.70.53.5) 127.263 ms 108.106 ms 107.391 ms 9 core1-fddi-1.Seattle.mci.net (204.70.3.145) 96.934 ms 101.924 ms 104.043 ms 10 sl-stk-1-H9/0-T3.sprintlink.net (206.157.77.66) 117.796 ms 141.423 ms 129.848 ms 11 sl-stk-1-H9/0-T3.sprintlink.net (206.157.77.66) 106.531 ms 119.203 ms 119.463 ms 12 sl-che-1-H2/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.90) 149.462 ms 145.513 ms 136.855 ms 13 sl-che-3-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.224.10.3) 142.936 ms 119.929 ms 127.37 ms 14 sl-cica-2-H0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.224.13.6) 135.776 ms 158.213 ms 154.115 ms 15 gw23.boulder.co.coop.net (199.45.132.131) 151.63 ms * 306.723 ms 16 * * * 17 * * * ... Is this a bad network link, or is there something wrong with the key server? In any case, my client should be standing by as soon as the key server can be contacted again. Thanks Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ I have the proof, but there isn't room to write it in this margin. From owner-deschall Tue Apr 8 23:38:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04129 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04124 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004122; Tue, 8 Apr 97 23:38:27 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id XAA04678; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004674; Tue, 8 Apr 97 23:44:23 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29123; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704090344.XAA29123@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Howard Cheng Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Key server down? In-Reply-To: <97Apr8.213920-0600_mdt.13079-889+107@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> References: <97Apr8.213920-0600_mdt.13079-889+107@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Howard" == Howard Cheng writes: Howard> Hi, Is the key server down? No problems getting to it from here. (MCI and Sprint feeds.) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 01:28:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA04828 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA04823 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004821; Wed, 9 Apr 97 01:27:51 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23924 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:35:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:35:03 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704090535.XAA23924@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Key server down? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk No, the keyserver isn't down. There seems to be a routing problem, where packets leaving this site can't find their way to Howard's site. Howard is the only user I know of who is experiencing this problem today. I have responded in more detail privately to Howard and to my ISP. -- Rocke From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 05:51:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05491 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05486 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005484; Wed, 9 Apr 97 05:50:37 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id FAA08124 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008113; Wed, 9 Apr 97 05:56:02 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00116; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704090956.FAA00116@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Press Release, getting publicity X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007885; Wed, 9 Apr 97 13:55:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00420 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:58:36 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma000410; Wed, 9 Apr 97 11:58:08 GMT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:02:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Proxies, firewalls, and 25 P166's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I need to know if the HTTP proxying or any type of firewall access has been implimented in the clients. I have 25 P166's, 2 P133's, 2 P100, 5 P90's, and 3 HP 9000's I'd like to add to the effort but the firewall is in the way. I took a look at the mailing list archive and it was mentioned that the clients use UDP. Perhaps using udprelay? Of course, this would require an ability to point the clients at the firewall instead of the keyserver. If TCP connections have been implimented, redir would do the same thing, but it would also require that the client be able to look at a server other than the default. Please help. I have all these spare cycles to give! -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 13:56:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07915 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07910 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelso.pclink.com(204.72.134.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007907; Wed, 9 Apr 97 13:56:50 -0400 Received: from umne686jmathe01.sprintspectrum.com (pm2-28 [206.11.0.98]) by pclink.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05281 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:04:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199704091804.NAA05281@pclink.com> From: "Icepick" To: Subject: Re: Press Release, getting publicity Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:00:31 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I think it would be a Good Thing for everyone to get ahold of their > local media. Minneapolis and St. Paul newspapers have been notified. -Josh my faith my grief my fear my blood my trust my flesh my hate my love no more no less no fear no need no height no depth too great godspeed Prove DES is weak, crack it! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 14:11:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08003 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA07992 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.imall.com(207.173.184.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007982; Wed, 9 Apr 97 14:11:10 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by gate.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14214; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.imall.com(10.0.5.2) by gate.imall.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014206; Wed, 9 Apr 97 12:18:00 -0600 Received: from beagle.imall.com (beagle.imall.com [10.0.5.31]) by mail.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20858; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (humphery@localhost) by beagle.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17464; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:17:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Phil Humpherys To: Stuart Stock cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Proxies, firewalls, and 25 P166's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk We have about 4 machines running deschall behind a firewall. We have socks5 installed, so we're just using runsocks to get through it. Works very nicely. On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Stuart Stock wrote: | | I need to know if the HTTP proxying or any type of firewall access has | been implimented in the clients. I have 25 P166's, 2 P133's, 2 P100, | 5 P90's, and 3 HP 9000's I'd like to add to the effort but the firewall is | in the way. I took a look at the mailing list archive and it was | mentioned that the clients use UDP. Perhaps using udprelay? Of course, | this would require an ability to point the clients at the firewall instead | of the keyserver. If TCP connections have been implimented, redir would | do the same thing, but it would also require that the client be able to | look at a server other than the default. | | Please help. I have all these spare cycles to give! | | -- | Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com | Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com | Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" | | -pH -------------- Phil Humpherys Email: ph@imall.com humphery@beagle.imall.com Systems Administrator/Engineer Office: +1.801.377.0899 Information Technology Services Pager: +1.801.276.3494 iMALL, Inc. PGP key: http://ph.imall.com From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 14:39:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08183 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08178 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from milliways.blee.net(130.215.240.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008176; Wed, 9 Apr 97 14:39:48 -0400 Received: (from woodbad@localhost) by milliways.blee.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA10378; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:47:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam D. Woodbury" To: Stuart Stock cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Proxies, firewalls, and 25 P166's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: BleeNET - a cooperative network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Stuart Stock wrote: > > I need to know if the HTTP proxying or any type of firewall access has > been implimented in the clients. I have 25 P166's, 2 P133's, 2 P100, > 5 P90's, and 3 HP 9000's I'd like to add to the effort but the firewall is > in the way. I took a look at the mailing list archive and it was > mentioned that the clients use UDP. Perhaps using udprelay? Of course, > this would require an ability to point the clients at the firewall instead > of the keyserver. If TCP connections have been implimented, redir would if im not mistaken, (and someone tell me if I am, you would set up the following: firewall - relays local udp port to keyserver.frii.com..etc.. clients, instead of pointing them to keyserv...etc.. in the setup, simply point them to the firewall. ie: (on unix) deschall-linux-p999 firewall.keepbadpeopleout.com Hope this helps (and is correct!) Adam Woodbury --- Adam D. Woodbury "I want her love for the fool I am - woodbad@blee.net or not at all." - Edmond Rostand Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 15:06:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08346 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08341 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b426wfee-1.nursing.msu.edu(35.8.144.96) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008339; Wed, 9 Apr 97 15:05:58 -0400 Received: (from hagmanti@localhost) by hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10900 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:13:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199704091913.PAA10900@hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Press Release, getting publicity To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:13:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199704090956.FAA00116@goffette.research.megasoft.com> from "C Matthew Curtin" at Apr 9, 97 05:56:12 am From: "Timothy C. Hagman" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk C Matthew Curtin penned, off the top of the head: > We should probably also coordinate our efforts in contacting press > types so that we don't send 84 pointers of it to one source, and miss > others. I encourage folks to give a pointer to the URL to media > types, especially trade press, and then post here where you've sent > the pointers. I'm taking care of the local newspapers in Lansing/East Lansing (Lansing State Journal and the college paper). If I get ambitious, I might do the rest of the Michigan papers (Detroit News/Freep and Grand Rapids Press), if their is no one local to those cities around this list. Me -- Disclaimer: Anything I said, writ, or thought in my life should not necessarily be held or thought to imply any view, opinion, or idea of mine, any organization I have chosen to associate with, or those people who choose to associate with me. - hagmanti@pilot.msu.edu From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 15:13:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08380 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08375 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008373; Wed, 9 Apr 97 15:13:31 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id PAA13484 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013482; Wed, 9 Apr 97 15:19:26 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01865; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704091919.PAA01865@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Media contacted X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vader.inow.com(205.158.32.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009802; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:20:45 -0400 Received: from kraken (du54.inow.com [207.88.41.153]) by vader.inow.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17704 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:27:48 -0700 Message-ID: <334C17DD.6351@inow.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:27:41 -0700 From: Anthony Huang Organization: ... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Media contact X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've contacted the San Hose Mercury News. -- "When angry, count to four; when very angry, swear." -Mark Twain [pathogen@inow.com] From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 18:55:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09982 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09970 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009964; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:55:26 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03429 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:58:38 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma003424; Wed, 9 Apr 97 16:58:31 GMT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:02:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock Reply-To: Stuart Stock To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Thanks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Thank you to everybody who responded for my request for help. Using udprelay on our firewall is working great. 26 P-166's running BSDI and Linux, a P-133 running Win95, 2 P-100's running NT, and 5 P-90's running Linux and BSDI are now searching keyspace. For those who might do this sort of thing: 1. If your firewall is running Linux, FreeBSD, BSDI, NetBSD, or anything that lacks the SYSV poll() call grab the BSD compatible version of udprelay by Brian Clapper from ftp://ftp.telebase.com/pub/security/udprelay-0.2.bsdi.tar.gz 2. Edit the makefile to reflect your local config and compile. 3. Create a udprelay.conf with the following parameters: relay *.your.domain * 8669 keymaster.verser.frii.com 8669 any 4. Start udprelay on the firewall, and start your clients like this: % deschall-xxxx-x your.firewall Now sit back and watch the keyspace crumble. As a side note, the HP9000 client doesn't appear to be as optimized as some of the others. Our 9000 model G50 is running 4 to 5 times slower than a P-90. This type of performance hit could be from a compile targeted for a different processor version. What model of the HPPA was the client compiled for? stuart -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 19:05:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10044 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10039 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010037; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:05:17 -0400 Received: from melon.cis.ohio-state.edu (melon.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.26.9]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA27344; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:12:30 -0400 From: guy albertelli Received: (albertel@localhost) by melon.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) id TAA15424; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704092312.TAA15424@melon.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: Thanks To: stuart@gundaker.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Stuart Stock" at Apr 9, 97 05:02:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > As a side note, the HP9000 client doesn't appear to be as optimized as > some of the others. Our 9000 model G50 is running 4 to 5 times slower than > a P-90. This type of performance hit could be from a compile targeted for > a different processor version. What model of the HPPA was the client > compiled for? The Hp version is compiled for HP-PA Risc 1.0 using gcc -O3 (actually a modified version of gcc by Cygnus I believe) Compiling for specific targets has not improved performance when testing it on a variety of 9000/7X5 HP machines. Do you know what is the specific chip in that machine? Enjoy. -- Guy Albertelli II albertel@pilot.msu.edu | "And God rested, chuckling at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~albertel | His own little play on words" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To understand all is to fear all. From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 19:07:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10074 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10066 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010062; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:06:57 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26148 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:14:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:14:10 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704092314.RAA26148@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: New client developers Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm happy to announce that Justin Dolske and Guy Albertelli, have been granted access to the DESCHALL source code and are working diligently to port the code to other platforms. Between them, Guy and Justin have access to a wide variety of platforms. The supersparc, mips, and forthcoming Digital Unix Alpha ports are the result of Guy's work. :-) Justin is doing some other work to be announced shortly. My policy remains that the source code is not generally available. Guy and Justin have each signed an iron-clad non-disclosure agreement. Please do not ask them to violate their agreements, which include source code, algorithms, and protocols. Under the terms of our agreements, these items are considered confidential trade secrets. My primary reason for not releasing the code is the US Government's Export policies. If the US Government lifts their embargo on cryptographic products while this project is underway, I intend to release the DESCHALL source code. I don't believe that is likely. And even though DES is on its last legs, there may be some commercial value in the world's fastest Pentium DES code. Frankly, I wouldn't mind recouping some of my costs through licensing. So... A hearty welcome and thanks to Guy and Justin!!! -- Rocke From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 19:12:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10106 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10101 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca(198.164.200.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010099; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:11:57 -0400 Received: from fctnts09c32.nbnet.nb.ca ([207.179.133.230]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAA8752 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:19:08 -0300 From: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca (Jeff Gilchrist) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Deschall Offline Processing Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 23:18:55 GMT Organization: ViperTECH Systems Reply-To: Jeff Gilchrist Message-ID: <334d2351.69433153@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I am currently running a copy of the DESCHALL client on my 486DX4-75 but only have a dial-up connection. When it finishes a chunk of keys it just pauses waiting for another connection to the internet. When I log into the next it just sits there for a while. Is there a timeout value that it waits for x seconds before checking for a live connection? It seems to take several minutes sometimes before it will actually poll the key server for the next set of keys. Regards, -- -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunswick, Canada E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 19:14:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10131 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10126 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca(198.164.200.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010124; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:14:36 -0400 Received: from fctnts09c32.nbnet.nb.ca ([207.179.133.230]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAA9920 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:21:49 -0300 From: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca (Jeff Gilchrist) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: New client developers Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 23:21:37 GMT Organization: ViperTECH Systems Reply-To: Jeff Gilchrist Message-ID: <334e2422.69642313@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <199704092314.RAA26148@dopey.verser.frii.com> In-Reply-To: <199704092314.RAA26148@dopey.verser.frii.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:14:10 -0600, you wrote: > I'm happy to announce that Justin Dolske and Guy Albertelli, > have been granted access to the DESCHALL source code and are > working diligently to port the code to other platforms. > > Between them, Guy and Justin have access to a wide variety of > platforms. The supersparc, mips, and forthcoming Digital > Unix Alpha ports are the result of Guy's work. :-) Great news. Any possibility of getting a Sparc Ultra port optimized for that specific chip? If so, I would be interested since I should have access to 2 - 3 sparc ultras in the next month or so. Regards, -- -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunswick, Canada E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 19:51:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10235 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10230 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.imall.com(207.173.184.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010227; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:51:37 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by gate.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27800; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.imall.com(10.0.5.2) by gate.imall.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027798; Wed, 9 Apr 97 17:58:49 -0600 Received: from beagle.imall.com (beagle.imall.com [10.0.5.31]) by mail.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07661; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (humphery@localhost) by beagle.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19079; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Phil Humpherys To: Jeff Gilchrist cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Deschall Offline Processing In-Reply-To: <334d2351.69433153@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've noticed the same on two win32 OS's. On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Jeff Gilchrist wrote: | I am currently running a copy of the DESCHALL client on my 486DX4-75 | but only have a dial-up connection. When it finishes a chunk of keys it | just pauses waiting for another connection to the internet. When I log | into the next it just sits there for a while. Is there a timeout value | that it waits for x seconds before checking for a live connection? It | seems to take several minutes sometimes before it will actually poll the | key server for the next set of keys. | | Regards, | -- | -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunswick, Canada | E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op | | PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * | Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 | | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | -pH -------------- Phil Humpherys Email: ph@imall.com humphery@beagle.imall.com Systems Administrator/Engineer Office: +1.801.377.0899 Information Technology Services Pager: +1.801.276.3494 iMALL, Inc. PGP key: http://ph.imall.com From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 20:03:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10265 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10260 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay2.its.yale.edu(130.132.21.73) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010258; Wed, 9 Apr 97 20:03:06 -0400 Received: from morpheus.cis.yale.edu (jharris@morpheus.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.248]) by mail-relay2.its.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11099 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jharris@localhost) by morpheus.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04109 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:09:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jensen Harris X-Sender: jharris@morpheus.cis.yale.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Media contact and a question In-Reply-To: <199704092312.TAA15424@melon.cis.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have taken the liberty of contacting the New Haven Register as instructed in an earlier e-mail. I have a quick question. I have basically two machines (sometimes three) which I can afford cycles on--a P-90 and a P-150, both running NT and idle much of the time. I've been running the clients since two days ago, but I have this question: is it worth the time? I'm certainly not after the money, so that's not my concern. However, the number of cycles these two machines contribute is miniscule compared to the number of keys being processed every day. It's not even a drop in the bucket. Any thoughts? Could two mid-range PC's make a difference, or is it more of an annoyance to the system than anything else? Jensen From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 20:06:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10299 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10291 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010287; Wed, 9 Apr 97 20:06:13 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26363; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:13:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:13:25 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704100013.SAA26363@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Deschall Offline Processing Cc: humphery@imall.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In an effort to be fault tolerant, and borrowing from the protocol used by the European RC5 client, the DESCHALL clients send a request via UDP to the server. If no response is received after a specified timeout, they try again. The timeout starts out at 10 seconds. Each timeout increases the next timeout by 10 seconds until it reaches a maximum of 10 minutes. This actually seems to work pretty well. If you have a method of autoconnecting on packet activity, the delay is rarely more than 20-30 seconds. If you have waited a long time to reconnect, the delay will still be a small percentage of the time you waited. At the server's end, assymmetric routes and pesky firewalls sometimes cause a packet to arrive at the server, but the response cannot be delivered to the client. The server will receive the same packet over and over from the client, sometimes for hours. A shorter timeout would needlessly increase the load on the server. From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 20:08:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10339 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10329 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010322; Wed, 9 Apr 97 20:08:01 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04172; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:11:07 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma004168; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:10:50 GMT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:14:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: guy albertelli cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Thanks In-Reply-To: <199704092312.TAA15424@melon.cis.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, guy albertelli wrote: > The Hp version is compiled for HP-PA Risc 1.0 using gcc -O3 (actually > a modified version of gcc by Cygnus I believe) > > Compiling for specific targets has not improved performance when testing > it on a variety of 9000/7X5 HP machines. > > Do you know what is the specific chip in that machine? Well, the G50 is a 9000/S800 box running a PA-RISC 7100 96MHz with seperate 256Kb data and instruction caches, but I found the problem: swap thrashing. The box was spending all its time on disk IO and I neglected to check free physical mem before running the timings. After hours with a minimal load (and more free memory) 10 runs yielded an steady 19 secs for the 2^22 timing benchmark. Not as good as a P90 (averaging 10 seconds), but much better than the 45-65 seconds I was seeing before. A model E35 9000/S800 with a PA-RISC 7100LC 64Mhz with a combined data/instruction cache of 256Kb runs the timing benchmark in 25 seconds average. -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 20:19:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10379 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10372 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010368; Wed, 9 Apr 97 20:19:47 -0400 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9VGQ>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101356@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: "'Jensen Harris'" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Media contact and a question Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:29:49 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >I have a quick question. I have basically two machines (sometimes three) > >which I can afford cycles on--a P-90 and a P-150, both running NT and > idle > >much of the time. I've been running the clients since two days ago, > but I > >have this question: is it worth the time? I'm certainly not after > the > >money, so that's not my concern. However, the number of cycles these > two > >machines contribute is miniscule compared to the number of keys being > >processed every day. It's not even a drop in the bucket. > > >Any thoughts? Could two mid-range PC's make a difference, or is it > more > >of an annoyance to the system than anything else? > > The more machines, the better. Period. > > Unless the server starts blowing chunks due to traffic, every > little bit helps. > > --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 20:20:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10397 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10392 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010390; Wed, 9 Apr 97 20:20:41 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26451; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:27:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:27:54 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704100027.SAA26451@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Media contact and a question Cc: jensen.harris@yale.edu Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I have a quick question. I have basically two machines (sometimes three) > which I can afford cycles on--a P-90 and a P-150, both running NT and idle > much of the time. I've been running the clients since two days ago, but I > have this question: is it worth the time? I'm certainly not after the > money, so that's not my concern. However, the number of cycles these two > machines contribute is miniscule compared to the number of keys being > processed every day. It's not even a drop in the bucket. > > Any thoughts? Could two mid-range PC's make a difference, or is it more > of an annoyance to the system than anything else? Yesterday, 32,224 unique keyspaces were tested. These keyspaces represented a total of 23.9e12 keys. So the average keyspace was between 2^28 and 2^29 pairs. Even though Pentium's are "mid-range PC's", the Pentium clients often outperform $20,000 boxes. If your boxes peak at 2^25 pairs per keyspace, you may someday be considered an annoyance. But all Pentiums peak at 2^29 or 2^30 pairs. Unless you are abandoning many keyspaces and starting over with 2^22 pairs, I assure you, "Your contribution is *NOT* miniscule, and you are not an annoyance!" Thanks for your support! -- Rocke From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 20:51:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10503 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10498 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010496; Wed, 9 Apr 97 20:51:09 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA18397; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:59:31 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199704100059.RAA18397@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Re: Media contact and a question To: jensen.harris@yale.edu (Jensen Harris) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Jensen Harris" at Apr 9, 97 08:09:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I have a quick question. I have basically two machines (sometimes three) > which I can afford cycles on--a P-90 and a P-150, both running NT and idle > much of the time. I've been running the clients since two days ago, but I > have this question: is it worth the time? I'm certainly not after the > money, so that's not my concern. However, the number of cycles these two > machines contribute is miniscule compared to the number of keys being > processed every day. It's not even a drop in the bucket. > > Any thoughts? Could two mid-range PC's make a difference, or is it more > of an annoyance to the system than anything else? Speaking for myself, this thing is more of a political protest than any kind of hope that I'm gonna make any money off it. I DON'T want to live in the police state that the American government, both Democrats and Republicans, seem to be happily trying to construct for us. (OK, Jeff, stay off the soapbox.) As far as I'm concerned, if Rocke had a Pilot client, I'd be running that, too. If he (or someone else) writes an NLM, I'll run it on my Netware servers. I've happily watched my 3 Pentiums, which were about 4th on the statistics list at the beginning, drop down to somewhere near 20th. I'd be happier if they were below 100. Hell, until Rocke tells us that the server can't handle any more, hook up EVERYTHING! And when he does, we'll just get another server. - -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Auto-signed with Bryce's Auto-PGP v1.0 iQCVAwUBM0w7cuL8IP70uJJBAQHm8QP+PcyA0vF2ZMdOxUXmTHQDyvRz9hs52s6A 6XeeYrj5lmycGuBg7J9n909XeyKgNlNxhEp+qLV+12mF3zAFX0cnt+ngAx3hQoKY c6DJ5gs2ayKuD3FoIwGhio+UWm1rzJhIoAC8DHh7OpHX4I8mAKqt/9lvfQZh/aUF M7e4xCv8iVI= =KTej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 21:08:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10575 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10570 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010568; Wed, 9 Apr 97 21:08:38 -0400 Received: from cortez.sss.rpi.edu (schnem@cortez.sss.rpi.edu [128.113.113.33]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11818; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:15:40 -0400 From: Matthew Schnee Received: (schnem@localhost) by cortez.sss.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id VAA88100; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:15:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:15:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199704100115.VAA88100@cortez.sss.rpi.edu> To: humphery@imall.com, stuart@gundaker.com Subject: Re: Proxies, firewalls, and 25 P166's Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk We got your message regarding tunneling the deschall udp packets through a socks5 proxy. I've configured a socks5 proxy, and runsocks appears to work fine with tcp-based applications, but udp apps dont appear to work for me. Do you know if any special configuration is necessary on socks servers to get that going? Thanks for any help! From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 21:13:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10614 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10607 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interzone.networks.bgs.com(204.164.148.21) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010603; Wed, 9 Apr 97 21:13:45 -0400 Received: from apex.BESTview (apex.networks.bgs.com [204.164.148.23]) by networks.bgs.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12039 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apex.BESTview (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07170; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:21:01 -0400 From: lee@networks.bgs.com (Lee Sonko) Message-Id: <199704100121.VAA07170@apex.BESTview> Subject: every machine counts. Here's the proof To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:21:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Lets run some numbers.... I love numbers. =]:-) 24-hour period ending 23:59:59 MDT 04/08/97 ------------------------------------------- 22838224 * 2^20 keys processed The big boys 10643096* 2^20 keys processed The medium sized domains 10445456* 2^20 keys processed The small domains 1749672* 2^20 keys processed The small domains are only hunting 1/10 as fast as the big boys but lets do some more math...! average keys per box per day 22838224/1326= 17223* 2^20 = 18059624448 Benchmark Pentium 90 MHz -- 454K keys per second -- FreeBSD P5 client. 454000*60*60*24= 39225600000 18059624448 : 39225600000 A P90 running on an idle machine 24hrs/day is twice as fast as the average machine in the hunt. Which means.... every machine counts! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------------------------- Here is my breakdown: The big boys: 10643096 4643760*2^20 278 ORST.EDU. 2188384*2^20 182 rpi.edu. 1309184*2^20 25 rit.edu. 1251768*2^20 40 WPI.EDU. 1250000*2^20 196 ohio-state.edu. The medium sized domains 10445456 908288*2^20 13 apsydev.com. 760640*2^20 1 207.196 695296*2^20 10 ucdavis.edu. 578640*2^20 22 tjhsst.edu. 375616*2^20 39 psu.edu. 360448*2^20 9 atc.com 327680*2^20 2 osc.edu. 284096*2^20 10 tamu.edu. 266240*2^20 4 sunysb.edu. 249744*2^20 13 umich.edu. 233472*2^20 3 pgp.com. 221952*2^20 6 punk.net. 207360*2^20 5 msu.edu. 200200*2^20 6 duke.edu. 195328*2^20 2 telogy.com. 189968*2^20 7 baxter.com. 186368*2^20 4 jhu.edu. 180224*2^20 3 massart.edu. 175488*2^20 9 ksu.edu. 174368*2^20 5 mtu.edu. 156672*2^20 1 imall.com. 153856*2^20 4 dwave.net. 152576*2^20 3 CWRU.Edu. 152576*2^20 3 ucsd.edu. 140928*2^20 8 columbia.edu. 135168*2^20 6 146.186 135168*2^20 5 edmweb.com. 133120*2^20 2 earthlink.net. 133120*2^20 2 webannex.com. 132608*2^20 3 dierks.org. 132528*2^20 4 UIC.EDU. 130048*2^20 2 megasoft.com. 128520*2^20 5 eagen.com. 126720*2^20 1 accessone.com. 118976*2^20 16 unb.ca. 112480*2^20 8 anonymous1.anonymous. 100992*2^20 3 207.78 98048*2^20 8 nfx.com. 90112*2^20 2 194.3 86784*2^20 2 CORNELL.EDU. 86016*2^20 11 ibm.net. 84224*2^20 2 MIT.EDU. 83064*2^20 6 frii.com. 80384*2^20 28 mindscape.com. 77824*2^20 1 monroe.edu. 77824*2^20 1 206.85 77824*2^20 1 middlebury.edu. 75264*2^20 2 167.20 70656*2^20 9 MSUS.EDU. 70656*2^20 2 isrc.net. 68712*2^20 14 cooper.edu. 68608*2^20 2 sepulchre.org. 68096*2^20 2 mdalink.com. 67328*2^20 4 128.113 66560*2^20 31 erols.com. The small domains 1749672 63680*2^20 1 border.com. 62464*2^20 2 eorbit.net. 54272*2^20 2 hope.edu. 51200*2^20 1 umkc.edu. 49152*2^20 1 207.173 48576*2^20 1 quadravision.com. 48128*2^20 1 mi.us. 47104*2^20 1 vt.edu. 44288*2^20 3 157.185 43392*2^20 2 192.152 43008*2^20 1 albany.edu. 41472*2^20 1 umd.edu. 40960*2^20 1 204.212 39936*2^20 4 wayne.edu. 39680*2^20 24 pclink.com. 38912*2^20 1 205.210 35840*2^20 1 dreher.net. 34816*2^20 3 csrlink.net. 34816*2^20 1 jhuapl.edu. 32768*2^20 1 198.115 32768*2^20 3 pacbell.net. 32768*2^20 2 cyberwar.com. 32256*2^20 2 io360.com. 31744*2^20 1 v-wave.com. 31744*2^20 1 JHU.EDU. 29696*2^20 1 199.107 28672*2^20 1 128.146 24064*2^20 1 anneli.com. 23568*2^20 3 cedar-rapids.net. 23552*2^20 1 novalink.com. 22528*2^20 1 falcon-net.net. 20736*2^20 1 148.132 20480*2^20 1 207.140 20096*2^20 5 nai.net. 19456*2^20 1 198.110 19456*2^20 5 Concordia.CA. 19456*2^20 1 129.101 18432*2^20 3 inreach.net. 17920*2^20 1 159.198 17664*2^20 5 umn.edu. 17408*2^20 3 compuserve.com. 17152*2^20 7 apeleon.net. 16440*2^20 1 denison.edu. 15360*2^20 6 infomatch.com. 14080*2^20 1 llnl.gov. 13824*2^20 1 rahul.net. 13824*2^20 1 204.112 12544*2^20 1 focusweb.com. 11008*2^20 6 chatlink.com. 10752*2^20 1 byu.edu. 10752*2^20 1 nj.us. 10752*2^20 2 141.195 9728*2^20 6 mindspring.com. 9472*2^20 1 fhda.edu. 9216*2^20 1 bluefeather.com. 9216*2^20 1 Lehigh.EDU. 8704*2^20 1 ezlink.com. 8320*2^20 1 rutgers.edu. 8192*2^20 1 netcom.ca. 8192*2^20 1 stdnet.com. 7488*2^20 7 purdue.edu. 7424*2^20 1 netaxs.com. 6688*2^20 1 bc.ca. 6656*2^20 1 128.59 6144*2^20 2 mit.edu. 6144*2^20 3 USherb.ca. 6144*2^20 2 washington.edu. 5632*2^20 1 146.13 5632*2^20 3 com.au. 5120*2^20 2 utoronto.ca. 5120*2^20 1 crosslink.net. 4512*2^20 2 aracnet.com. 4104*2^20 3 dfw.net. 3904*2^20 1 204.244 3584*2^20 1 expansion.com. 3584*2^20 8 psi.net. 3168*2^20 1 bgsu.edu. 3072*2^20 1 iaonline.com. 2880*2^20 10 world2u.com. 2816*2^20 2 inquo.net. 2560*2^20 1 delta.net. 2496*2^20 2 ac.uk. 2304*2^20 1 CMU.EDU. 2304*2^20 3 netcom.com. 2176*2^20 1 inlink.com. 2048*2^20 1 interactive.net. 2048*2^20 1 connex.net. 2048*2^20 1 quickweb.com. 1792*2^20 1 sturtevant.com. 1792*2^20 1 cnct.com. 1536*2^20 1 direct.ca. 1056*2^20 2 randomc.com. 1040*2^20 1 uiuc.edu. 1024*2^20 1 Berkeley.EDU. 1024*2^20 2 207.152 1024*2^20 1 intrex.net. 1024*2^20 1 mediastar.com. 1024*2^20 1 usherb.ca. 960*2^20 3 bellsouth.net. 800*2^20 3 intercall.com. 512*2^20 1 ultra.net. 224*2^20 1 apluspc.com. 192*2^20 1 sentex.ca. 128*2^20 1 206.29 104*2^20 1 the-horde.com. 80*2^20 2 nb.ca. 64*2^20 1 203.25 16*2^20 1 sagesoln.com. From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 21:29:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10653 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10648 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010646; Wed, 9 Apr 97 21:29:22 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA02002 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:36:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id VAA15160 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:36:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: New client developers In-Reply-To: <199704092314.RAA26148@dopey.verser.frii.com> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Rocke Verser wrote: > Guy and Justin have each signed an iron-clad > non-disclosure agreement. Please do not ask them to violate > their agreements, which include source code, algorithms, and > protocols. Under the terms of our agreements, these items are > considered confidential trade secrets. Any deals people wish to make with me *must* include a mafia hit on Rocke. Oh, wait, There's no death exemption. Drat... :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To do is to be. -- Nietzsche To be is to do. -- Sartre Do be do be do. -- Sinatra From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 21:36:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10678 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10673 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bizet.videotron.net(205.151.222.75) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010671; Wed, 9 Apr 97 21:35:53 -0400 Received: from rickrude (ppp192.103.mmtl.videotron.net [207.253.103.192]) by bizet.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id VAA27346 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <334C4503.470B@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 21:40:22 -0400 From: Seeker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Little query X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm new to DESCHALL and it's been working for about 5 hours, I was wandering if I close it down, will all the work done be wasted, and if not what is the proper way to close it down. I am using DESCHAL5. thanks in advance David Campeau From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 21:52:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10735 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10730 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010728; Wed, 9 Apr 97 21:52:50 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA02566 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:00:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id WAA15245 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:00:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Media contact and a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Jensen Harris wrote: > Any thoughts? Could two mid-range PC's make a difference, or is it more > of an annoyance to the system than anything else? Your machines, individually, are almost completelely useless. So are each of the machines here at OSU. In fact, NONE of the systems helping right now make any difference, individually. The key is that we're mobilizing large numbers of computers to tackle a problem *together*. It's a team effort, where no single entity is more important/helpful than the others (save, perhaps, Rocke :-). Every little bit of help becomes quite important... It's like watching raindrops in a rainstorm -- a few drops can't make anything wet, but a whole bunch of them can create an ocean. Or, quantity has a quality all its own. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You are surrounded by a maze of polychromatic NT icons, all alike. From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 22:04:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10760 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10755 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.utexas.edu(128.83.126.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010753; Wed, 9 Apr 97 22:04:07 -0400 Received: (qmail-queue invoked from smtpd); 10 Apr 1997 02:11:11 -0000 Received: from mail.utexas.edu (128.83.126.1) by smtp.utexas.edu with SMTP; 10 Apr 1997 02:11:11 -0000 Received: from slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu (slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.219.153]) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP id VAA10625 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC452A.881805F0@slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC452A.881805F0@slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu> From: Hieu Phan To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:04:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Ok, I got a big problem. I'm running a Tyan S1662 / Single Pentium Pro 200mhz / Windows NT v4.0 = SP2 but am only getting: Processor 1 -- 2^26 complementary pairs of keys starting with = 58A2314C51010101 ................................Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 147 = seconds which comes out to be only 456,522 keys per second. =20 I should be getting at least what was reported by a user on the Deschall = Web Page "PentiumPro 180MHz -- 850K keys per second -- reported by = user". =20 The system is as idle as I can get it, and am running Deschal6 optimized = for Pro's. Any suggestions? - Hieu=20 - (hieu.phan@mail.utexas.edu) From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 22:10:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10781 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10776 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010774; Wed, 9 Apr 97 22:10:27 -0400 Received: from sector.com (cl8-p8.chatlink.com [205.139.105.194]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01627; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:17:36 -0400 To: seeker@videtron.ca cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Little query Message-Id: <860627856-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860627856-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm new to DESCHALL and it's been working for about 5 hours, I was wandering if I close it down, will all the work done be wasted, and if not what is the proper way to close it down. I am using DESCHAL5. As soon as your machine gets the next key, the server has recorded it. So the only thing that will be lost is whatever work your machine does on the current key. From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 22:19:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10809 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10804 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010802; Wed, 9 Apr 97 22:19:48 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA03313 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:27:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id WAA16244 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <01BC452A.881805F0@slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Hieu Phan wrote: > Processor 1 -- 2^26 complementary pairs of keys starting with 58A2314C51010101 > ................................Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 147 seconds > > which comes out to be only 456,522 keys per second. Actually, it's double that. The client is reporting *pairs* of keys. 1 complementary pair is 2 keys. I made the the same mistake not too long ago. :-) > I should be getting at least what was reported by a user on the Deschall > Web Page "PentiumPro 180MHz -- 850K keys per second -- reported by > user". Congradulations. You're actually getting 913K keys per second. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Don't turn your back on a baby and a bucket." -- heard on a TV commercial for the Plastic Shipping Container Industry Group From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 23:17:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11108 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11103 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goodall.u.washington.edu(140.142.12.163) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011101; Wed, 9 Apr 97 23:17:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (mheroux@localhost) by goodall.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW96.12/8.8.4+UW97.03) with SMTP id UAA98478; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:24:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Heroux" To: Hieu Phan cc: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <01BC452A.881805F0@slip-89-9.ots.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Hieu Phan wrote: > which comes out to be only 456,522 keys per second. I should be getting > at least what was reported by a user on the Deschall Web Page > "PentiumPro 180MHz -- 850K keys per second -- reported by user". The > system is as idle as I can get it, and am running Deschal6 optimized for > Pro's. Any suggestions? Im running on a Micron P6-200 .. and getting approximately 593k keys per second.... So your benchmarks sound right.. Im also using the Deschal6 + WinNT 4.0Sp2 --mike From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 23:34:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11196 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11191 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca(198.164.200.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011189; Wed, 9 Apr 97 23:34:31 -0400 Received: from fctnts09c40.nbnet.nb.ca ([207.179.133.238]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAA19906 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:41:44 -0300 From: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca (Jeff Gilchrist) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Windows 95 Autodialer Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:41:35 GMT Organization: ViperTECH Systems Reply-To: Jeff Gilchrist Message-ID: <334c60ba.3692929@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <199704081930.OAA25917@pclink.com> In-Reply-To: <199704081930.OAA25917@pclink.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:29:43 -0500, you wrote: > I setup freeDUM to dial in at 5 and at 35 minutes past the hour on > my Pentium 133. A 2*2^29 key search takes about 1650 to 1750 > seconds (depending on what I'm doing) so dialing in every half hour > makes sense. The dial in times are adjustable and easy to use. > > I just found it a couple of hours ago, so I don't know for sure all the > implications/limitations/bugs/features of this program, but it sure > is what I was looking for. I downloaded freeDUM and tried to set it up. It will dial-in and connect fine on my system but it will not automatically hang up. It looks like the system 'tries' to hang up but the process seems to die. I take it this doesn't happen to you? Did you find any other problems with freeDUM? PS: If Rocke is keeping count, he can add my name to the list of being able to request larger key spaces. Like adding a switch -k29 where the 29 would request 2^29 key pair complements at a time. Regards, -- -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunswick, Canada E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 23:48:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11277 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11272 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011270; Wed, 9 Apr 97 23:48:32 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26972 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:55:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:55:45 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704100355.VAA26972@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Alpha (Digital Unix) client now available Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Greetings, all! Digital Unix Alpha (32-bit) clients are now available. The clients are not yet at the MPJ NACA, so you'll need to complete my form (), if you want me to send you a client. Just a reminder that there are no redistribution restrictions on the DESCHALL clients, aside from that imposed by the US and/or Canadian Governments. While MPJ has been *very cooperative* about uploading clients, the DESCHALL clients are right next to the DVG clients in the MPJ NACA index, and I think some people may have mistakenly gotten DVG clients, while looking for DESCHALL clients. :-( Happy hunting! :-) -- Rocke From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 23:50:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11295 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11290 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011288; Wed, 9 Apr 97 23:50:32 -0400 Received: from cortez.sss.rpi.edu (schnem@cortez.sss.rpi.edu [128.113.113.33]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA44002 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:57:46 -0400 From: Matthew Schnee Received: (schnem@localhost) by cortez.sss.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id XAA109510 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:57:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:57:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199704100357.XAA109510@cortez.sss.rpi.edu> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: udprelay Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have set up udp relay on my firewall machine ans started deschall from a number of clients. unfortualtely, all of the clients started running the same block of keys. Running a block of keys more than once is not very productive. Is there anyway to stop this from happening? thanks Matthew Schnee From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 23:57:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11332 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11327 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop.cs.wisc.edu(128.105.22.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011325; Wed, 9 Apr 97 23:57:35 -0400 Received: from sol31.cs.wisc.edu (sol31.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.41.131]) by pop.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11240 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:04:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:04:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles McKenzie To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Solaris X86 client? In-Reply-To: <334c60ba.3692929@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of any plans for a Solaris X86 client? I've got several dozen P5s and P6s I could use if I had one. Chuck McKenzie charlesm@cs.wisc.edu UW-Madison CS Webmaster Boycott Internet Spam - http://spam.abuse.net/ From owner-deschall Wed Apr 9 23:58:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11348 for deschall-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11343 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu(141.219.151.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011341; Wed, 9 Apr 97 23:58:26 -0400 Received: from icu10.csl.mtu.edu (davidjan@icu10.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.150.160]) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA29006 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:05:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (davidjan@localhost) by icu10.csl.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-1.2) with SMTP id AAA06812 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:05:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Anderson To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Speed.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I just downloaded deschall yesterday and have had it running constantly since, but I'm curious about the speed. I have a Pentium 90 (linux), and this is the lines I'm getting back on average.. Tried 268435456 keys in 30.30 minutes, or 147.65 kk/s I could be wrong but people were reporting Pentium 90 MHz -- 454K keys per second -- FreeBSD P5 client. So, I'm wondering if my computer is slower than my grandma, or if I'm just interpereting things incorrectly... Thanks, Dave -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +--------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------+ | | | David J. Anderson @ Michigan Tech...I think %-} | | davidjan@mtu.edu OR flannel@techie.com | | Computer Science Major | | Web page: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~davidjan | | (906) 487-0701, must be 18 or older to call... | | | | "When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look | | like a thumb." | | | +----------------------------Oooo-----------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 00:10:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11408 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11401 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goodall.u.washington.edu(140.142.12.163) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011397; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:10:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (mheroux@localhost) by goodall.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW96.12/8.8.4+UW97.03) with SMTP id VAA19174 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:18:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Heroux" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: rs6k + AIX offer. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On the same line... I've got accounts on my university cluster systems.. RS/6000 running AIX I can compile on all of them... Plus execute stuff... these would be some hot machines to "unleash." On a side note also.... Im living in the dorms currently.. And Im going to start a small club here to utilize all the spare cycles of computers sitting here.. we've all got ethernet connections.. wouldn't it be great to put them to use! --mike From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 00:12:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11434 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11429 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goodall.u.washington.edu(140.142.12.163) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011427; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:12:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (mheroux@localhost) by goodall.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW96.12/8.8.4+UW97.03) with SMTP id VAA19004 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:19:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Heroux" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: random question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This may have quite a basic answer.. but why doesnt somebody write a client in Java? That way anybody (theoretically) could run it. Does the java spec not allow for this type of communication? --mike From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 00:22:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11485 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11480 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: keith.sippy@cedar-rapids.net Received: from cedar-rapids.net(206.24.60.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011478; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:22:19 -0400 Received: from myhostname ([206.24.60.37]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with SMTP (IPAD 1.51) id 6404100 ; Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:25:40 EST Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 22:24:58 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: performance X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.1 Message-Id: <199704100225.6404100@CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Since people have been wondering about their systems performance I thought I might as well mention what mine seems to be doing. At night when all it really is doing is the deschall program I get 2^30 key pairs done in 2840 seconds. This is a pentium 150 running os/2. Keith -- ----------------------------------------------------------- keith.sippy@cedar-rapids.net MR/2 ICE #432563512 Support free choice on the Internet. Support eDNS! http://www.edns.net/ ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 00:29:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11523 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11518 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011516; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:29:08 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA27209 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:36:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:36:22 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704100436.WAA27209@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Boot Disks? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone created Linux Mac PPC, Linux x86, or FreeBSD x86 boot diskettes that can run DESCHALL? There are lots of people who usually run Win 3.1 or a native Macintosh O/S. If someone already has such boot diskettes, this might be a relatively easy way to switch over at night to capture many additional cycles. Thanks! -- Rocke From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 00:35:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11551 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11546 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011544; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:35:12 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id AAA18943; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018939; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:41:08 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03468; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704100441.AAA03468@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "M. Heroux" Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: random question... In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "M" == M Heroux writes: M> This may have quite a basic answer.. but why doesnt somebody write M> a client in Java? That way anybody (theoretically) could run it. Performance. Take a look at the performance difference between a middle-of-the-road Pentium system, and compare that to an Alpha, UltraSPARC, or something like that. The latter processors will eat the Pentium for lunch. Nevertheless, the Pentium port is running circles around them. Why? Because the core Pentium code is hand-optimized assembler and the others are in C, with -O3 compiler optimization. Now, if someone were to hand-optimize assembler code for one of these more gnarly processors (especially a 64 bit one, using the same approach Eli Biham used), then you'd see the faster/better processor run circles around the Pentium. If compiler-optimized C turns an UltraSPARC into a lesser key-cracker than a mid-range Pentium, imagine what a Java client would do :-) I haven't looked recently, but a few months back, I was talking to some folks from SGI, and they're working on a pretty cool JDK port that will handle JIT compilation and such. The JDK 1.0.2's JIT would produce Java that ran at about 1/2 the speed of the same thing in C. I suspect that we're further along in getting Java sped up, but it's still going to be a lot slower. We're trying to find one in more than 72 quadrillion keys as it is... we don't need any more handicaps :-) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 00:57:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11706 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11701 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011699; Thu, 10 Apr 97 00:56:44 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA17422 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:03:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199704100503.BAA17422@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall" Subject: Shell accounts Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:02:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just getting started with this thing, but had a question... I'm running the client on a few pentiums in my dorm room. Would it be a good idea or a relatively bad idea to run it on the LARGE central unix university system the students all have accounts on? We only have puny user shell accounts, but the horsepower running the thing is pretty good and mainly unused in the middle of the night. The crucial question is whether or not you can run deschall w/o root access. Scott McIntyre smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 01:04:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11921 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11910 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011878; Thu, 10 Apr 97 01:04:14 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id BAA07710 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:11:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id BAA20792 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske Reply-To: Justin Dolske To: Deschall Subject: Re: Shell accounts In-Reply-To: <199704100503.BAA17422@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Scott McIntyre wrote: > I'm running the client on a few pentiums in my dorm room. Would it > be a good idea or a relatively bad idea to run it on the LARGE central > unix university system the students all have accounts on? It most likely won't be noticed on a busy system, so you're probably safe. However, it's probably safest to check with your friendly local sysadmin first. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 01:08:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12105 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12100 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goodall.u.washington.edu(140.142.12.163) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012098; Thu, 10 Apr 97 01:08:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (mheroux@localhost) by goodall.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW96.12/8.8.4+UW97.03) with SMTP id WAA25842; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:15:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Heroux" To: Scott McIntyre cc: Deschall Subject: Re: Shell accounts In-Reply-To: <199704100503.BAA17422@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Scott McIntyre wrote: > good and mainly unused in the middle of the night. The crucial question > is > whether or not you can run deschall w/o root access. Im running the stuff now on our university (washington.edu) unix clusters... One thing to watch is whether or not you have CPU quotas... I dont on certain machines... also.. we have "test" machines..that can be rebooted at any time.. but generally arent used... Im using those machines as much as possible. You might want to check your sysadmins to see if they have a machine devoted to large CPU jobs... --mike From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 01:32:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12201 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12196 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012194; Thu, 10 Apr 97 01:32:38 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id BAA08282 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:39:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id BAA21332 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:39:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: We're recognices by RSA. :-) Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I just noticed RSA's site has an "In the News" link that's pointing the www.news.com article that was recently released. Nice to see that RSA know's they may need to get out their checkbook soon. :-) See Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We're all over it like a cheap suit, on a used car salesman, on a hot summer day." -- Aaron Schaub From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 01:54:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12269 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12264 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dip.eecs.umich.edu(141.212.99.5) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012262; Thu, 10 Apr 97 01:54:32 -0400 Received: (from asterian@localhost) by dip.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0) id CAA08905 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Sterian Message-Id: <199704100601.CAA08905@dip.eecs.umich.edu> Subject: Optimizations for non-assembly versions? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (DES Challenge) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I, too, have noticed poorer-than-expected performance from HP-PA machines and it (somehow) reminded me of a GNU program that I have never used but could prove useful. It is called Superopt. Here is its description from the GNU Bulletin Superopt is a function sequence generator that uses an exhaustive generate-and-test approach to find the shortest instruction sequence for a given function. You provide a function as input, a CPU to generate code for, and how many instructions you want. Its use in GCC is described in the `ACM SIGPLAN PLDI'92 Proceedings'. It supports: SPARC, m68k, m68020, m88k, IBM POWER and PowerPC, AMD 29k, Intel x86 & 960, Pyramid, DEC Alpha, Hitachi SH, & HP-PA. I remember someone saying the code was compiled with -O3 but this superopt thing sounds like it could do better. Any chance the folks who compile the client code can give this package a try? Andrew. asterian@umich.edu | Help crack DES in your computer's spare time! ----------------------------| http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm For the teddy bear who has |---------------------------------------------- everything, a person. | Me: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~asterian From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 02:07:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12406 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12401 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rabi.phys.columbia.edu(128.59.196.181) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012399; Thu, 10 Apr 97 02:07:30 -0400 Received: from nutation.phys.columbia.edu (nutation.phys.columbia.edu [128.59.196.252]) by rabi.phys.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA29226 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven K. Kasow" Received: (from kasow@localhost) by nutation.phys.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA26679 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704100614.CAA26679@nutation.phys.columbia.edu> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Optimizations for non-assembly versions? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 Andrew Sterian wrote: >I, too, have noticed poorer-than-expected performance from HP-PA >machines and it (somehow) reminded me of a GNU program that I >have never used but could prove useful. It is called Superopt. [munch] > Superopt is a function sequence generator that uses an exhaustive > generate-and-test approach to find the shortest instruction > sequence for a given function. [munch] >I remember someone saying the code was compiled with -O3 but this >superopt thing sounds like it could do better. Any chance the folks >who compile the client code can give this package a try? I looked into this for another project I was working on. It is a lovely idea- but it requires insane amounts of CPU time to generate instruction sequences more than a few dozen instructions long. It does have the virtue of being able to find the fastest sequences out there, but since it does use an exaustive approach, it gets prohibitively expensive rather quickly. Unless there are very small sub-problems (e.g., ones that can be solved in 10-20 instructions) that are clear bottlenecks, it will probably not be worth the effort of using. Perhaps after we've broken the DES challence, Rocke would like to set up a distributed superoptimizer.. :) cheers, Steven kasow@rabi.phys.columbia.edu -- "There are three stages in the killing of an astrophysicist." --Misner, C. W., K. S. Thorne, and J. A. Wheeler, 1973, _Gravitation_, W.H. Freeman and Company, New York. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 02:49:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12483 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12478 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phaedrus.punk.net(204.212.160.51) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012476; Thu, 10 Apr 97 02:49:44 -0400 Received: (from dspencer@localhost) by phaedrus.punk.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA24583; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:59:16 -0700 From: Dave Spencer Message-Id: <199704100659.XAA24583@phaedrus.punk.net> Subject: greetings To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:59:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hello folks, Jeff Simmons badgered me into hooking up my idle cycles to this effort, and once I got around to getting enough info on it to be interested, I got *very* interested. So, I started running the client on two of my home machines (a P120 and a 486/100). Then I got ambitious. I fired up the deschall-mips client tonight on an SGI cluster in the lab I help administer; those will continue running unless another of the admins gets annoyed or users complain the machines are running too slowly. I also tested the performance of clients on one of our Sun 490s and one of our HP 715's, but I don't think I'll run it on those as it appeared they would probably peak pretty low. Any second opinions on that? :) I could probably involve 2 or 3 490's and 10 715s. (Results from deschall -m: 2^21 key pairs took 69 seconds on the 490 and 37 seconds on the 715, as compared to 15 seconds on one of the lower-end SGIs.) I might have to hook it up to cron jobs to run only during off-peak hours for political reasons, but otherwise, this is fun. :) Also, what's the gory detail about a keyspace that's being searched when the client is killed? Does the server timeout on those and re-serve later to someone else? Color me curious... -Dave ---------------------------------------------------- -------- --- - -- - - Dave Spencer - dspencer@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu Computer Science Student Homepage: http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dspencer/ Cal Poly San Luis Obispo "There is no TRUTH. There is no REALITY. There is no CONSISTENCY. There are no ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. I'm very probably wrong." - a fortune From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 03:05:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12518 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12513 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012508; Thu, 10 Apr 97 03:04:55 -0400 Received: from sector.com (cl7-p4.chatlink.com [205.139.105.181]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15883 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:05:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:12:04 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: greetings Message-Id: <860645524-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860645524-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I fired up the deschall-mips client tonight on an SGI cluster in the lab I help administer; those will continue running unless another of the admins gets annoyed or users complain the machines are running too slowly. I also tested the performance of clients on one of our Sun 490s and one of our HP 715's, but I don't think I'll run it on those as it appeared they would probably peak pretty low. Any second opinions on that? :) I could probably involve 2 or 3 490's and 10 715s. (Results from deschall -m: 2^21 key pairs took 69 seconds on the 490 and 37 seconds on the 715, as compared to 15 seconds on one of the lower-end SGIs.) Every little bit helps. Also, what's the gory detail about a keyspace that's being searched when the client is killed? Does the server timeout on those and re-serve later to someone else? Color me curious... Yes the server can reissue a key after two hours in theory. Practially it can currently take up to 26 hours to reissue the key. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 03:51:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12626 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12621 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu(130.132.21.199) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012619; Thu, 10 Apr 97 03:51:05 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.31]) by mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA26518 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from josquin (josquin.pc.yale.edu [130.132.173.83]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA24834 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:57:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC4563.5B68E090@jensen.harris@yale.edu> From: Jensen Harris To: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: Out of curiosity Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:57:48 -0400 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4004 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk BTW, in regards to the earlier thread about Pentiums... my Pentium 150 peaks at 2^31 under NT, my P-90 at 2^30. Anyway, I now have Deschall running on Pentiums here, UNIX boxes there, an old OS/2 box, etc... and I wondered the following: Although only one of us will ever see the message, what exactly does the Deschall client do when it finds the magical pair? Does it inform the server? What does the server do? What information gets printed on the screen of the client? If I'm running Deschall in the background and only check my stdout logs once every couple of days, will someone know that it has been cracked--or not until I check the logs? Just curious. I'm going to check with a sysadmin here about the possibility of adding 30 Penitum-200 Linux boxes... we'll see what happens. :) Jensen From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 05:39:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA12879 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA12874 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012872; Thu, 10 Apr 97 05:38:57 -0400 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA23299; Thu, 10 Apr 97 02:46:06 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 02:46:06 PDT From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704100946.AA23299@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: random question... In-Reply-To: Mail from '"M. Heroux" ' dated: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, "M. Heroux" wrote: > > This may have quite a basic answer.. but why doesnt somebody write a > client in Java? That way anybody (theoretically) could run it. > > Does the java spec not allow for this type of communication? It might work, but each client would be very slow. Maybe 100+ times slower is my guess. (no assembler in java & java is slow in general) Also might be hard to keep the priority low, JVM might hog the CPU. Reasonable if you could get 100+ times more machines (running long times) to make up the difference. Hard to guess which way it would go, boom or bust since depends on psychological factors. Best, Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge Zippy the Pinhead (is|was|will be) here. (510)-516-7127 From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 06:17:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA12975 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA12970 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from milliways.blee.net(130.215.240.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012968; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:17:11 -0400 Received: (from woodbad@localhost) by milliways.blee.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id GAA11986; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:24:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam D. Woodbury" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Automatic Log Scanning In-Reply-To: <199704100614.CAA26679@nutation.phys.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Organization: BleeNET - a cooperative network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just thought id throw something out, this is a entry in my crontab that scans the deschall logs. The ONE thing that im not sure of is what the clients says when it find the key, but i'd assume that is says something like Key Found, as opposed to Key not found. # Scans for correct DES keys at 1am every day and emails woodbad 0 1 * * * /usr/bin/grep Key /home/httpd/des/deschall.out | /usr/bin/grep -v not | /bin/mail woodbad -s "DE S Key Progress" --- Adam D. Woodbury "I want her love for the fool I am - woodbad@blee.net or not at all." - Edmond Rostand Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 07:22:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13174 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13169 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013167; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:22:34 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id EAA04409 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 04:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id HAA16287; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:26:03 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860682352; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:25:24 EST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:25:24 EST Message-Id: <9703108606.AA860682352@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Boot Disks? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I don't know about everyone else, I'd love to get some Win 3.1 diskettes. My biggest problem would be configuring each of the machines to speak TCP/IP and that rot. 90% of the machines I can get access to run Windows 3.1, 200 x Pentium 166 = Lots of idle cycles? -----Original Message----- From: Rocke Verser Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 12:38 AM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Boot Disks? Has anyone created Linux Mac PPC, Linux x86, or FreeBSD x86 boot diskettes that can run DESCHALL? There are lots of people who usually run Win 3.1 or a native Macintosh O/S. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 08:34:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA13431 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA13424 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013420; Thu, 10 Apr 97 08:33:59 -0400 Received: from darkwing.stu.rpi.edu (darkwing.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.162.187]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA60918 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:41:12 -0400 Message-ID: <334CDFA3.79841259@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:40:03 -0400 From: Brian Osman Reply-To: osmanb@acm.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Output when successful X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, People have been asking what the client prints when it finds the key. Type: grep "Key found" executable I think that "Key found" is correct, capitalization and all, but even if it isn't it's in the string table. It will show up like plain ol' ASCII text. Brian From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 09:07:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13618 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13613 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013611; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:07:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id JAA23431; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023427; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:13:25 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04358; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704101313.JAA04358@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Boot Disks? In-Reply-To: <9703108606.AA860682352@ccmail.nextel.com> References: <9703108606.AA860682352@ccmail.nextel.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Albert" == Albert Garrido at RUPOST2 writes: Albert> I don't know about everyone else, I'd love to get some Albert> Win 3.1 diskettes. My biggest problem would be configuring Albert> each of the machines to speak TCP/IP and that rot. 90% of the Albert> machines I can get access to run Windows 3.1, 200 x Pentium Albert> 166 = Lots of idle cycles? Actually, this is the reason for Linux/FreeBSD boot disks. You an take those machines, and when you're done for the day or whatever, put the boot disk in, boot the machine, and let it run all night. When you arrive in the morning, remove the boot disk, and boot your system back into whatever OS it was running. By putting it on the boot disk, you can use those machines without having to install some Unix flavor on them. (Though, wouldn't that be a good idea anyway? :-) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 09:27:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13779 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13773 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:27:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013770; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:27:46 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id GAA07850 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id JAA17698; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:31:16 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860689864; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:34:21 EST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:34:21 EST Message-Id: <9703108606.AA860689864@ccmail.nextel.com> Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Boot Disks? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've love to install something on them. Of course I'd get shot for erasing Windows 3.1. I suppose I'd have to make 30 or 40 diskettes or more. And setup a proxy for them, but hey. It'll work. There's no major complications with having a single machine act as a proxy for 40 other machines, right? -----Original Message----- From: cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 9:13 AM To: Albert Garrido Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Boot Disks? By putting it on the boot disk, you can use those machines without having to install some Unix flavor on them. (Though, wouldn't that be a good idea anyway? :-) From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 09:35:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13866 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13861 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelso.pclink.com(204.72.134.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013858; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:35:38 -0400 Received: from umne686jmathe01.sprintspectrum.com (pm3-05 [206.11.0.105]) by pclink.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA02893; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:42:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199704101342.IAA02893@pclink.com> From: "Icepick" To: "Jeff Gilchrist" , Subject: Re: Windows 95 Autodialer Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:40:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > From: Jeff Gilchrist > To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com > Subject: Re: Windows 95 Autodialer > Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 10:41 PM > > On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:29:43 -0500, you wrote: > > I downloaded freeDUM and tried to set it up. It will dial-in and > connect fine on my system but it will not automatically hang up. It looks > like the system 'tries' to hang up but the process seems to die. I take it > this doesn't happen to you? Did you find any other problems with freeDUM? I'm assuming that you setup a schedule. Make sure to check the "Disconect When Idle for X" box and put in a number of minutes. I have mine set to 2 minutes. 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Korte" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:08:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Rodney R. Korte" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Rexx dialin program Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I thought that this may be of interest to some people. Even if you can't use it directly, it may provide some ideas if you are in need of something like it. What is it? It is a REXX program that watches the output of DESCHAL (which has been redirected to a log file) for an error message indicating that it is finished with a set of keys and can't talk to the server because the network is down. It calls "whatever program" to establish a network connection. When DESCHAL starts calculating again, the program kills the network connection. Typically, you'd want to do this if you are on a dial-up connection. This program was written for OS/2, but I'm sure you could easily port it to some other REXX implementation, or maybe even a shell script. Please let me know if you use it and find that there is something very wrong with it, or you don't understand what I've done (which wouldn't surprise me- it may not be so clear). It has performed flawlessly for me. Rod -- Rodney R. Korte OS/2. Operate at a higher level. korte@sabine.acs.psu.edu ---> MIME, PGP (finger for key) welcome. http://sharkbait.arl.psu.edu/ From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 10:03:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14103 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14098 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02a05.cac.psu.edu(146.186.15.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014096; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:03:24 -0400 Received: from tincan (nb4slip94.cac.psu.edu [146.186.17.94]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA38420 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:10:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199704101410.KAA38420@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> From: "Rodney R. Korte" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:10:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Rodney R. Korte" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.E8FE0U138764=_=_=_" Subject: Rexx dialin program (again) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.E8FE0U138764=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's try this again, *with* the attachment... ==================== I thought that this may be of interest to some people. Even if you can't use it directly, it may provide some ideas if you are in need of something like it. What is it? It is a REXX program that watches the output of DESCHAL (which has been redirected to a log file) for an error message indicating that it is finished with a set of keys and can't talk to the server because the network is down. It calls "whatever program" to establish a network connection. When DESCHAL starts calculating again, the program kills the network connection. Typically, you'd want to do this if you are on a dial-up connection. This program was written for OS/2, but I'm sure you could easily port it to some other REXX implementation, or maybe even a shell script. Please let me know if you use it and find that there is something very wrong with it, or you don't understand what I've done (which wouldn't surprise me- it may not be so clear). It has performed flawlessly for me. Rod -- Rodney R. Korte OS/2. 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10 10:35:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14321 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14316 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from froody.res.cmu.edu(128.2.74.35) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014314; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (drz@localhost) by froody.bloke.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21624; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:42:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Newsome To: "Adam D. Woodbury" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Automatic Log Scanning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Adam D. Woodbury wrote: > Just thought id throw something out, this is a entry in my crontab that > scans the deschall logs. The ONE thing that im not sure of is what the > clients says when it find the key, but i'd assume that is says something > like Key Found, as opposed to Key not found. strings deschall-linux-P5 gives (amount other things): Key was found, but network notification failed. Please send e-mail or telephone!!!!! ... Processor %d -- Key found after %d iterations That should help in narrowing your grep down. Tim Tim Newsome. Programmer for Megasoft. Student at CMU. Cynic in life. Show you care about cryptography! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm Always look on the bright side of life. I think I think therefore I think I am. drz@froody.bloke.com http://www.wiw.org/~drz/ PGP key: 2048/C32F01A5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv Comment: In God we trust. Everybody else we verify using PGP! iQCVAwUBM0z8ZrVUv2Ltk3AxAQHVjgP+M9MQPfAafipSd0TgGG8OSBd+TSYhCBIk heqCRNZaWNO0bQVYdo3IMY34R9piDdl8RkhRCltzNVwlcHWY9hBC4Lt48ssD2WtA 75T+J4mp6BH935QdILPxH5DFtYWNWqGEibfnaY6edolp85FVWyjo46AB5YcXG2BV ln/s8EjoEY8= =3Vg3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 11:15:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14596 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14591 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014575; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:14:51 -0400 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9VLM>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:24:53 -0700 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101358@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: "'M. Heroux'" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: random question... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:24:51 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >This may have quite a basic answer.. but why doesnt somebody write a > >client in Java? That way anybody (theoretically) could run it. > > >Does the java spec not allow for this type of communication? > > It would be kind of cool to have everyone who hits the web page > perform calculations via JavaScript, but Applets cannot do direct > network stuff (although they can use the Browser for it). > > Also, Java would be hideously inefficient... > > --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 11:25:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14716 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14707 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014701; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:25:27 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id LAA24780; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024778; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:31:28 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04918; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704101531.LAA04918@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Adam Haberlach Cc: "'M. Heroux'" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: random question... In-Reply-To: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101358@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> References: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101358@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Adam" == Adam Haberlach writes: Adam> It would be kind of cool to have everyone who hits the web page Adam> perform calculations via JavaScript, but Applets cannot do Adam> direct network stuff (although they can use the Browser for it). Actually, an applet *can* make network connections from the client it's running, but only back to the server from which it came. So, for this to work, you'd need to have the web server handing out the applets proxy the connections from the applets to the keyserver. It might be an amusing gag-thing, or a good publicity stunt (i.e., put links to it in banner ads or something), but I wonder how much it would help. (We're going on the premise that every little bit helps, and presumably someone running a Java client isn't running another one currently. A slow implementation is better than no implementation running, right?) We could have a Java client that would chew on some keyspace for a while, and then report back the status of the search to the server, and the speed of the search to the client, then show comparative information like (you would have done x key pairs in the same amount of time using a native implementation, or something like that...) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 11:31:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14755 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14750 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014748; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:31:38 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10076; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:34:37 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma010073; Thu, 10 Apr 97 09:34:28 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:38:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: Matthew Schnee cc: humphery@imall.com, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Proxies, firewalls, and 25 P166's In-Reply-To: <199704100115.VAA88100@cortez.sss.rpi.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Matthew Schnee wrote: > We got your message regarding tunneling the deschall udp packets through a > socks5 proxy. I've configured a socks5 proxy, and runsocks appears to > work fine with tcp-based applications, but udp apps dont appear to work > for me. Do you know if any special configuration is necessary on socks > servers to get that going? I'm running it through udprelay, no socks involved. I'm afraid that I can't help with socks config, but if you'd like instructions on seting up udprelay, I'll repost my last message. stuart -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 11:57:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15023 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15018 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:57:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015015; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:57:41 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id JAA14993 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id MAA21103; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:01:01 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860698849; Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:01:22 EST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:01:22 EST Message-Id: <9703108606.AA860698849@ccmail.nextel.com> Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: random question... Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I like the publicity angle. It might attract a lot more attention from people who would normally never do a search for a topic like DES. Is anyone interested in even attempting to write the necessary code? -----Original Message----- From: cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 11:48 AM To: HaberlaA@testlab.orst.edu Cc: mheroux@u.washington.edu; deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: random question... It might be an amusing gag-thing, or a good publicity stunt (i.e., put links to it in banner ads or something), but I wonder how much it would help. (We're going on the premise that every little bit helps, and presumably someone running a Java client isn't running another one currently. A slow implementation is better than no implementation running, right?) From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 12:23:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15240 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15235 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nss2.cc.lehigh.edu(128.180.1.26) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015233; Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:23:21 -0400 Received: from CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (rjm2@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.27]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA104998 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:30:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:30:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ross J. Micheals" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Really stupid question... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Sorry if this is a dumb questions, but I can't seem to find an AIX client. Where is it? -------------------------------- Ross J. Micheals rmicheals@acm.org http://www.lehigh.edu/~rjm2 From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 12:34:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15321 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15315 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca(198.164.200.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015311; Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:34:18 -0400 Received: from carme ([131.202.9.10]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAA8676; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:40:13 -0300 Message-ID: <334D17EC.5D48@nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:40:12 -0300 From: Jeff Gilchrist X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Icepick CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Windows 95 Autodialer References: <199704101342.IAA02893@pclink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Icepick wrote: > > I downloaded freeDUM and tried to set it up. It will dial-in and > > connect fine on my system but it will not automatically hang up. It > > looks > > like the system 'tries' to hang up but the process seems to die. I take > > it > > this doesn't happen to you? Did you find any other problems with > > freeDUM? > > I'm assuming that you setup a schedule. Make sure to check the "Disconect > When Idle for X" box and put in a number of minutes. I have mine set to 2 > minutes. > > Nope, I haven't had any problems with it at all. I was talking with the author of FreeDUM. I did have the app set correctly but I am using the ISDN upgrade which has a new Network Dialup system (same that comes with Win95 OSR2). The latest FreeDUM does not know how to tell the new system to hang up. The author is aware of the bug and is currently in the process of fixing it. -- -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunsick, Canada E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 12:38:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15352 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15343 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from naybob.ghq.com(204.73.247.161) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015340; Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:37:59 -0400 Received: (from jwhite@localhost) by ghq.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09312 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:45:08 -0500 From: Jeff White Message-Id: <199704101645.LAA09312@ghq.com> Subject: HP 9000 Problems To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:45:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm having problems getting the HP/9000 client to run on our workstations. It doesn't actually seem to do anything. The Linux version I have works fine. Here's the output: DES Challenge Solver Copyright (c) Rocke Verser, 1986, 1997 All Rights Reserved. ***** FOR USE IN THE USA AND CANADA ONLY ***** *************** NOT FOR EXPORT *************** Selftest passed Program version: V0.214 Mar 20 1997 01:39:52 It never accumulates any CPU time, or does anything else from this point on. Perhaps it is a problem with the OS version, we are running HP-UX 10.20 on a C-class workstations. (HP-9000/777's and 780's). I've got a small army of HP workstations ranging from lowly 710's to C-180's (180MHz 64bit PA-8000's, 2MB L1 Cache, 256MB RAM) that I can throw in the fray.... -- Jeff White, ARS N0POY jwhite@ghq.com "Have you ever had a microchip implanted in your skull so the government can keep track of your every move? You will! And the company that will bring it to you is AT&T." From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 12:50:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15461 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15456 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015454; Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:50:13 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA29064; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:57:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:57:25 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704101657.KAA29064@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: woodbad@blee.net Subject: Re: Automatic Log Scanning Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Just thought id throw something out, this is a entry in my crontab that > scans the deschall logs. The ONE thing that im not sure of is what the > clients says when it find the key, but i'd assume that is says something > like Key Found, as opposed to Key not found. Personally, I would suggest eliminating the messages you recognize, and alerting you to all others. Aside from the "key found" message, the server has the ability to send informational messages and notices to the clients. [For example, if a faster client becomes available, or if a new server is available, etc.] -- Rocke From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 13:15:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15630 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15624 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu(18.72.1.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015621; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:15:30 -0400 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02877; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:22:41 EDT Received: from HIGHLAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12680; Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:22:36 EST Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970410132231.00a17d50@po7.mit.edu> X-Sender: zudark@po7.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:22:31 -0400 To: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com From: "Ethan M. O'Connor" Subject: RE: random question... Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <9703108606.AA860698849@ccmail.nextel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 12:01 PM 4/10/97 EST, Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com wrote: >I like the publicity angle. It might attract a lot more attention from people >who would normally never do a search for a topic like DES. Is anyone interested >in even attempting to write the necessary code? > Two comments on this whole Java issue: Performance on some platforms would probably not be as bad as some people have surmised. I have NOT looked at the deschall code (or that of any DES cracker, for that matter) so I'm totally surmising here, but JITs have gotten tremendously better lately -- so much so that JQuake (yes, a Java implementation of Quake) actually runs _very_ smoothly in 320x200 on a good machine under IE. Microsoft's next-generation VM is even faster. I have no idea about the size of DESCHAL's working set, though, and the issue of the VM's priority setting is possibly also a problem. Secondly, the wide variation in performance under different JITs and VMs means that we almost certainly couldn't get any good estimate of how well the person's system would run the actual DESCHAL client. All that said, I still think the publicity aspect of it has potential, especially if the Java client could say something along the lines of "Your machine just churned through xxxxxxxx bits of key space. Want More?" People are impressed by big numbers :) -Ethan ---------------------------------------------- Ethan O'Connor |Does cracking DES seem like too zudark@mit.edu |easy a challenge? Join the |Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search |http://www.mersenne.org/ From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 13:37:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15851 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15839 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015833; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:37:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11425; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:40:37 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma011419; Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:40:20 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:44:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: Jeff White cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems In-Reply-To: <199704101645.LAA09312@ghq.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jeff White wrote: > I'm having problems getting the HP/9000 client to run on our > workstations. It doesn't actually seem to do anything. The Hmph, I found on our HP 9000's (two E35's, a F10 and a G50) the client is slow and very sensitive to system loads, but it does run. But have you been able to run the timings (deschall-hp9000 -m)? If you can run the timings it's probably your network. Do you have a firewall? And if so can you forward UDP packets through it? If you can tcpdump your net, take a look for UDP traffic on port 8669. If you're seeing ICMP host, port, or network unreachable, you're being blocked somewhere and it may not be making it back to your host. stuart -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 13:37:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15853 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15840 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charity.twu.ca(206.12.113.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015834; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:37:35 -0400 Received: from twu.ca ([204.244.237.252]) by charity.twu.ca with SMTP (8.7.5/TWU-1.0H) id KAA28226 for (from derf@twu.ca); Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704101744.KAA28226@charity.twu.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Freddie Cash" To: Subject: Output file... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:44:42 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, I was wondering, how does one set up the deschal client to output to a file instead of to the screen (or both at the same time)? I'm using deschal4 on a 486/100 running Win95. As far as programming goes, I'm illiterate. Derf derf@twu.ca From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 13:53:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15973 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15968 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015966; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:53:13 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA21603; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id NAA23739; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:38 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860705784; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:58:04 EST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:58:04 EST Message-Id: <9703108607.AA860705784@ccmail.nextel.com> To: "Freddie Cash" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Output file... Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It's a bit sloppy, but you can just do deschal4 206.168.13.85 > logfile.txt (The > arrow is just a simple pipe) -----Original Message----- From: "Freddie Cash" Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 1:50 PM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Output file... Hey all, I was wondering, how does one set up the deschal client to output to a file instead of to the screen (or both at the same time)? From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 14:42:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16340 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16333 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from naybob.ghq.com(204.73.247.161) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016328; Thu, 10 Apr 97 14:42:10 -0400 Received: (from jwhite@localhost) by ghq.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09861; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:49:19 -0500 From: Jeff White Message-Id: <199704101849.NAA09861@ghq.com> Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems To: stuart@gundaker.com (Stuart Stock) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:49:19 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jwhite@ghq.com, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Stuart Stock" at Apr 10, 97 11:44:30 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Stuart Stock Said: > > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jeff White wrote: > > > I'm having problems getting the HP/9000 client to run on our > > workstations. It doesn't actually seem to do anything. The > > Hmph, I found on our HP 9000's (two E35's, a F10 and a G50) the client > is slow and very sensitive to system loads, but it does run. But have you > been able to run the timings (deschall-hp9000 -m)? If you can run the > timings it's probably your network. Do you have a firewall? And if so > can you forward UDP packets through it? If you can tcpdump your net, take > a look for UDP traffic on port 8669. If you're seeing ICMP host, port, or > network unreachable, you're being blocked somewhere and it may not be > making it back to your host. > I've been able to get two Linux machines, on the same subnet, to work fine. We have a packet filter, but it's not in the way. I can also ping the keyserver. The program does run in timing mode: [jjw@urd descrack]$ ./deschall-hp9000 -m DES Challenge Solver Copyright (c) Rocke Verser, 1986, 1997 All Rights Reserved. ***** FOR USE IN THE USA AND CANADA ONLY ***** *************** NOT FOR EXPORT *************** .2^21 complementary pairs of keys tested: 5 seconds [jjw@urd descrack]$ uname -a HP-UX urd B.10.20 A 9000/780 2012988799 two-user license Might be a problem with HP-UX 10.20 and IP socket code. -- Jeff White, ARS N0POY jwhite@ghq.com "Have you ever had a microchip implanted in your skull so the government can keep track of your every move? You will! And the company that will bring it to you is AT&T." From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 15:51:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16859 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16854 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b426wfee-1.nursing.msu.edu(35.8.144.96) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016850; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:51:20 -0400 Received: (from hagmanti@localhost) by hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00953 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:58:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199704101958.PAA00953@hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu> Subject: News notifications To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy C. Hagman" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk The Detroit News, Grand Rapids Press, Lansing State Journal, and MSU's State News all have a copy of the press release. The Detroit Free Press is "just too busy" to listen. One wonders how they ever find out any "news". I took the liberty of mentioning that users at MTU and UMICH were involved; I hope nobody from those schools minds... Me -- Disclaimer: Anything I said, writ, or thought in my life should not necessarily be held or thought to imply any view, opinion, or idea of mine, any organization I have chosen to associate with, or those people who choose to associate with me. - hagmanti@pilot.msu.edu From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 15:53:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16887 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16882 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016880; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:53:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12675; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:07 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma012673; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:55:50 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:00:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: Jeff White cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems In-Reply-To: <199704101849.NAA09861@ghq.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jeff White wrote: > Might be a problem with HP-UX 10.20 and IP socket code. Hum, the two E35's I have both run 10.20 and they are working fine. This is really strange. Linux boxes on the same subnet are running, but the HP's aren't?! Have you had any problems with other networking applications? I'm assuming that you can do all the normal TCP/IP related stuff like telnet, ping, etc from the 10.20 box. Are all your workstations displaying this behavior? stuart -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 15:54:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16916 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16907 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b426wfee-1.nursing.msu.edu(35.8.144.96) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016898; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:54:10 -0400 Received: (from hagmanti@localhost) by hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01041; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:01:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199704102001.QAA01041@hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Solaris X86 client? To: charlesm@cs.wisc.edu, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:01:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Charles McKenzie" at Apr 9, 97 11:04:44 pm From: "Timothy C. Hagman" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Charles McKenzie penned, off the top of the head: > Does anyone know of any plans for a Solaris X86 client? I've got several > dozen P5s and P6s I could use if I had one. I've got access to a machine running Solaris X86, and am willing to sign NDAs. Also, I'm pretty good in Sparc assembly (but not intel :( ). Hey Rocke! You willing to let me join in with Guy and Justin? Me -- Disclaimer: Anything I said, writ, or thought in my life should not necessarily be held or thought to imply any view, opinion, or idea of mine, any organization I have chosen to associate with, or those people who choose to associate with me. - hagmanti@pilot.msu.edu From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 15:54:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16943 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16932 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016926; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:54:28 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12680; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:57:37 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma012678; Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:57:12 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:01:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: Jeff White cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems In-Reply-To: <199704101849.NAA09861@ghq.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Another though: can you dump the network to see if the requests are making off of the HP boxes? -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "Blowing a buffer as we speak" From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 16:09:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17063 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17056 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from naybob.ghq.com(204.73.247.161) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017052; Thu, 10 Apr 97 16:09:36 -0400 Received: (from jwhite@localhost) by ghq.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10194; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:16:35 -0500 From: Jeff White Message-Id: <199704102016.PAA10194@ghq.com> Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems To: albertel@cis.ohio-state.edu (guy albertelli) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199704101948.PAA17896@brain.cis.ohio-state.edu> from "guy albertelli" at Apr 10, 97 03:48:18 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk guy albertelli Said: > > > > The current client is a HP-UX-9 client, so there may a problem there. > > > Let me know if you can ping the keymaster. > > I suspect it's a problem with 10.20. I have the HP commercial > > C compiler and I should be able to build a 32bit and 64bit version. > > Well it runs fine of the HP-UX 10 boxes we have here. . I suspect the > packet filter that you mentioned, but most definately isn't any inherent > problem in to v9 to v10 change. Okay, I found the problem. Our faster HP workstations have MDL and Interphase 100BaseT etherhose cards in them. For some reason, both vendors claim they don't have to have an actual device file /dev/lan0 or /dev/fe0 in /dev. I remember this problem with another issue with rbootd. I tried it out on another workstation with just the 10BaseT and it is working. Any thoughts on the ethernet problem? -- Jeff White, ARS N0POY jwhite@ghq.com "Have you ever had a microchip implanted in your skull so the government can keep track of your every move? You will! And the company that will bring it to you is AT&T." From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 16:15:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17111 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA17106 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca(198.164.200.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017092; Thu, 10 Apr 97 16:14:55 -0400 Received: from leda ([131.202.9.19]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAA8303 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:22:09 -0300 Message-ID: <334D4BF0.5541@nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:22:08 -0300 From: Jeff Gilchrist X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Media Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Ok, I sent the DESCHALL press release to the following places today: - ZDNet - CNN - CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) - CBC-Radio - The Ottawa Citizen Newspaper - The Globe & Mail Newspaper (Canada-Wide Distribution) - The Toronto Start Newspaper - Hamilton Spectator Newspaper -- -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunsick, Canada E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 17:06:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17411 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17406 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelso.pclink.com(204.72.134.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017404; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:05:47 -0400 Received: from umne686jmathe01.sprintspectrum.com (pm1-23 [206.11.0.63]) by pclink.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA04748; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:13:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199704102113.QAA04748@pclink.com> From: "Icepick" To: "Jeff Gilchrist" , Subject: Re: Media Info Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:12:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Ok, I sent the DESCHALL press release to the following places today: > > - ZDNet > - CNN Add Hotwired News and WiReD Magazine. -Josh my faith my grief my fear my blood my trust my flesh my hate my love no more no less no fear no need no height no depth too great godspeed Prove DES is weak, crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 17:14:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17490 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17482 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017478; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:13:38 -0400 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA10883 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA20545 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:20:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Media suggestions... Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm kinda busy right now, but a other people we should contact: * Any/all of the billions of "Internet" focused magazines. These are typically smaller startups, so we're probably more likely to get published. :-) * With the Internet craze, magazines like Newsweek, Time, and others usually tend to have a one or two page "newsbits" type section covering various Internet related happenings. These would be prime secrions to get into. Moral: Don't forget to contact the "popular" press just because they wouldn't seem to have the space/interest to print about us. Implemention of these is left as an excercise to a reader with more time, and a large magazine rack. :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Over the 10baseT, across the bridge, through the router -- nothing but Net. From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 17:19:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17517 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17512 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017510; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:19:26 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id RAA28450 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028448; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:25:39 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06865; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704102125.RAA06865@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Media info X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net(198.175.15.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017905; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:08:31 -0400 Received: from mikes.dfw.net (PPP4.fortworth.dfw.net) by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16246; Thu, 10 Apr 97 18:16:30 CDT Message-Id: <9704102316.AA16246@ dfw.dfw.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Smith" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:16:37 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: New to Linux---help!! Reply-To: mikes@dfw.net X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Okay...I'm (very!!) new to Linux but have managed to get my box up and running on my small network here at home. Internet is visible thru my Win 95 gateway, etc (I know, kinda screwy. Works though!) My problem is how do I get the deschall-linux-486 to execute? I get a permission denied. If I change the attributes (dir -all shows it being non-executable when I first copy it over), the file is then listed with and asterisk (*) after it, and when I try to run it I get 'No such file of dir'. Is there a trick? I do a 'file' on the file and it comes back as ELF 32-bit LSB executable i386, so I'm a bit confused. Any thoughts? Thanks, Mike From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 19:41:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18041 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18032 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018026; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:41:02 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13068-22372>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:48:12 -0600 Subject: RE: Output file... From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:48:10 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Apr10.174812-0600_mdt.13068-22372+307@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com wrote: > From owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Thu Apr 10 12:13:38 1997 > From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 13:58:04 EST > Message-Id: <9703108607.AA860705784@ccmail.nextel.com> > To: "Freddie Cash" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com > Subject: RE: Output file... > Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com > Precedence: bulk > > It's a bit sloppy, but you can just do > deschal4 206.168.13.85 > logfile.txt > (The > arrow is just a simple pipe) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Freddie Cash" > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 1:50 PM > To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com > Subject: Output file... > > Hey all, I was wondering, how does one set up the deschal client to > output > to a file instead of to the screen (or both at the same time)? If you are on a Unix platform, you can use the "tee" command to get both screen and file output, just do: prog | tee > logfile Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ A thing is obvious mathematically after you see it. - R.D. Carmichael From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 19:46:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18079 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18074 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu(141.219.151.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018072; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:46:15 -0400 Received: from jachsys.resnet.mtu.edu (jachim@jachsys.resnet.mtu.edu [141.219.81.124]) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA18366 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:53:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew T. Jachimstal" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: linux-alpha version Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Is there a version available for the Alpha running Linux? If not, I may be able to swing a guest account on a machine here on campus. Let me know! Matthew | Matthew T. Jachimstal N9LMW CS Major Michigan Technological University | Secretary/Treasurer MTU Student Chapter of ACM email: mtjachim@mtu.edu | Voice: 906-487-0899 Pager: 906-222-9092 WWW: http://jachsys.resnet.mtu.edu | PGP ID: 683F741D FP: 8B 6A 03 A3 E2 5C 71 64 93 D0 22 17 0E 2B C6 AF From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 19:58:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18126 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18121 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu(128.46.128.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018119; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:58:18 -0400 Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (gebis@localhost) by purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) id TAA16753; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:05:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704110005.TAA16753@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> From: Michael J Gebis Subject: Re: New to Linux---help!! To: mikes@dfw.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:05:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <9704102316.AA16246@ dfw.dfw.net> from "Michael Smith" at Apr 10, 97 06:16:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Okay...I'm (very!!) new to Linux but have managed to get my box up > and running on my small network here at home. Internet is visible > thru my Win 95 gateway, etc (I know, kinda screwy. Works though!) > My problem is how do I get the deschall-linux-486 to execute? I > get a permission denied. If I change the attributes (dir -all > shows it being non-executable when I first copy it over), the file is > then listed with and asterisk (*) after it, and when I try to run it > I get 'No such file of dir'. Is there a trick? I do a 'file' on the > file and it comes back as ELF 32-bit LSB executable i386, so I'm a > bit confused. Any thoughts? Your path probably does not include "." (The current directory) Either add this to your path (at the VERY end) or if you are paranoid, don't add it to the path, just manually type: ./deschall-linux-486 -- Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 20:05:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18176 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18171 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu(128.46.128.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018169; Thu, 10 Apr 97 20:05:06 -0400 Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (gebis@localhost) by purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) for delivery to "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" id TAA17006; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:12:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704110012.TAA17006@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> From: Michael J Gebis Subject: How to nicely quit? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:12:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Is there any way to "nicely" quit deschall? What I have in mind is a way to tell deschall "Finish the current range, but when you finish, don't request any new range--just quit." If not, it would be a nice feature. The way _I_ would do it would be to use a signal (SIGALRM?) to tell the client to finish nicely. This question was asked recently, but I didn't see a response, so I thought I would try again. -- Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 21:09:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18397 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18390 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net(198.175.15.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018386; Thu, 10 Apr 97 21:08:58 -0400 Received: from mikes.dfw.net (PPP4.fortworth.dfw.net) by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29627; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:53:06 CDT Message-Id: <9704110053.AA29627@ dfw.dfw.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Smith" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:53:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New to Linux---help!! Reply-To: mikes@dfw.net In-Reply-To: <860707824-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I appreciate all the help so far. Unfortunately, I'm still stuck Okay, let me start from the top and make sure that I did everything right. The original file that I got was desch214.zip. Unzipped, there were several files, including the Linux 486 file (deschall-linux-486). I unzipped it to a temp dir, and FTP'ed it to my Linux box. Logged in as root (and later as Mike), changed to the dir the file was uploaded to, tried to run it, got a permission denied. Chmod'ed it (chmod +x des.../chmod 777 des.../chmod 755 des.../etc.) . Tried to run it again, got a 'No such file or directory'. Have also tried ./deschall-linux-486. Sound right?? I don't know what else to do. Any more ideas? Mike ------=====+=====------ Michael Smith Fort Worth, TX mailto://mikes@dfw.net http://www.dfw.net/~mikes KC5HZS From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 21:31:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18454 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18443 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abilnet.com(205.226.233.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018439; Thu, 10 Apr 97 21:31:22 -0400 Received: from debra (tempe-150.abilnet.com [205.226.232.241]) by arizona.abilnet.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-12377) with SMTP id AAA277; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:39:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: bginter@abilnet.com (Ben Ginter) To: Cc: "Michael J Gebis" Subject: Re: New to Linux---help!! Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:30:58 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Message-ID: <19970411013930370.AAA277@tempe-150.abilnet.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm running RedHat linux 4.0 (outlawlabs.com) and found it very simple to get up and running. Here's my Howto! :) 1. Copy file to Linux filesystem 2. chmod 744 deschall-linux-486 (insert flavor here) 2a. If you don't have . in your path, you can edit your .profile or .bash_profile (or your flavor shell profile here) to include the path. Remember, they are separated by colons (not semi-colons as in DOS/Windows). Definately add it at the end. Do not edit /etc/profile or your root account's (or any other account with root privledges) profile or you're opening up some security problems. 3. If you have the period in the path (.=current directory), type just type: deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com otherwise ./deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com I'm not piping the output to a file but I know a lot of other people are. Even if you fork it into the background with an ampersand on the command line, you're still going to see the output (which can be annoying). To pipe the output (which can be searched and useful later), you would type either: deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com > des.log & or ./deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com > des.log & Note that you will still see Selftest Passed (doesn't get logged for some reason.. hmm). Also note that if you stop the program and restart it and want to continue adding (appending) to the log, you need to change the command line to either: deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com >> des.log & or ./deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com >> des.log & (Remember, these examples are for the 486 client.. if you use the pentium client simply change the command line accordingly) Hope this helps some of the linux people out there who are just learning... gk@outlawlabs.com ---- From: Michael J Gebis To: mikes@dfw.net Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 5:19 PM Subject: Re: New to Linux---help!! >> Okay...I'm (very!!) new to Linux but have managed to get my box up >> and running on my small network here at home. Internet is visible >> thru my Win 95 gateway, etc (I know, kinda screwy. Works though!) >> My problem is how do I get the deschall-linux-486 to execute? I >> get a permission denied. If I change the attributes (dir -all >> shows it being non-executable when I first copy it over), the file is >> then listed with and asterisk (*) after it, and when I try to run it >> I get 'No such file of dir'. Is there a trick? I do a 'file' on the >> file and it comes back as ELF 32-bit LSB executable i386, so I'm a >> bit confused. Any thoughts? > >Your path probably does not include "." (The current directory) >Either add this to your path (at the VERY end) or if you are paranoid, >don't add it to the path, just manually type: > >./deschall-linux-486 > >-- >Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 22:10:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA18564 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA18559 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b426wfee-1.nursing.msu.edu(35.8.144.96) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018554; Thu, 10 Apr 97 22:09:48 -0400 Received: (from hagmanti@localhost) by hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07820 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:17:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199704110217.WAA07820@hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu> Subject: Oh yeah... To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy C. Hagman" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I also have access to Sparc Ultras. The regular sparc client runs on them, but it does not give terribly good numbers. I'd sure like to try my hand at optimizing... Me -- Disclaimer: Anything I said, writ, or thought in my life should not necessarily be held or thought to imply any view, opinion, or idea of mine, any organization I have chosen to associate with, or those people who choose to associate with me. - hagmanti@pilot.msu.edu From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 23:12:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18701 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18694 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net(198.175.15.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018690; Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:11:55 -0400 Received: from mikes.dfw.net (PPP32.fortworth.dfw.net) by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20805; Thu, 10 Apr 97 22:19:53 CDT Message-Id: <9704110319.AA20805@ dfw.dfw.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Smith" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:20:05 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Thanks for the help Reply-To: mikes@dfw.net X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Well, I *believe* that I have found the problem. It seems that my version is a bit old (v 1.2.1) and doesn't have support for ELF (as far as I can tell) Many thanks to all who sent me ideas. As I told one, this was a pain in the ass, but it was a way to learn a lot about Linux in a short period. I'll keep chugging along with my Win32 in the meantime, and maybe I'll find a friend who'll loan me a more recent version so I can toss my 'other' extra cycles into the fray. I don't think I want to try my luck at compiling kernels just yet :-) Thanks again. Mike ------=====+=====------ Michael Smith Fort Worth, TX mailto://mikes@dfw.net http://www.dfw.net/~mikes KC5HZS From owner-deschall Thu Apr 10 23:53:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18825 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18820 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018818; Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:53:33 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA21858 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:00:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id AAA15535 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:00:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: How to nicely quit? In-Reply-To: <199704110012.TAA17006@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Michael J Gebis wrote: > Is there any way to "nicely" quit deschall? What I have in mind is a > way to tell deschall "Finish the current range, but when you finish, > don't request any new range--just quit." Currently, there's no "nice" way to quit it. Killing the program before it's done with a block only results in the loss of the work partially done on the block. I agree that it would be a nice feature to have, but do people really need it? I run my clients 24/7, except for a 30 minute block while I collect statistics. Unless you're constantly starting and stopping the client, it shouldn't be a big deal. > If not, it would be a nice feature. The way _I_ would do it would be > to use a signal (SIGALRM?) to tell the client to finish nicely. Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe it'll show up in a later version of the clients... :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | SPAM glistens pinkly; Spam Haiku... | Cat taps it with wary paw | To see if it's dead. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 00:56:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18969 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18964 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midwest.idsonline.com(207.152.119.5) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018962; Fri, 11 Apr 97 00:56:07 -0400 Received: from kf9qq (il32.idsonline.com [207.152.119.32]) by midwest.idsonline.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA06186; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:03:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199704110503.AAA06186@midwest.idsonline.com> From: "Rich Wacaser" To: "Ben Ginter" , Cc: "Michael J Gebis" Subject: Re: Redirection of the DES log file... Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:02:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It's been quite a while since I had a linux box running, but I believe that you can redirect the standard output and the "standard error" to a file by using >& instead of > deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com >& des.log & This may put the "Selftest Passed" output in the logfile instead of the screen. ---------- > I'm not piping the output to a file but I know a lot of other people are. > Even if you fork it into the background with an ampersand on the command > line, you're still going to see the output (which can be annoying). To > pipe the output (which can be searched and useful later), you would type > either: > > deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com > des.log & > or > ./deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com > des.log & > > Note that you will still see Selftest Passed (doesn't get logged for some > reason.. hmm). Also note that if you stop the program and restart it and > want to continue adding (appending) to the log, you need to change the > command line to either: > > deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com >> des.log & > or > ./deschall-linux-486 keymaster.verser.frii.com >> des.log & > > (Remember, these examples are for the 486 client.. if you use the pentium > client simply change the command line accordingly) > > Hope this helps some of the linux people out there who are just > learning... From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 01:31:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19480 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19475 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nss2.cc.lehigh.edu(128.180.1.26) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019472; Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:31:26 -0400 Received: from CS2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CS2.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.48]) by nss2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA109671 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:38:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:38:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ross J. Micheals" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Problems with keyserver. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Is it down? -------------------------------- Ross J. Micheals rmicheals@acm.org http://www.lehigh.edu/~rjm2 From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 01:37:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19512 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19507 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019505; Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:37:33 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id BAA03632; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003630; Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:43:54 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09342; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704110543.BAA09342@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Ross J. Micheals" Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Problems with keyserver. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Ross" == Ross J Micheals writes: Ross> Is it down? Nope.... everything looks OK here. -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 01:50:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19584 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19579 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019577; Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:50:13 -0400 Received: from unreal.stu.rpi.edu (unreal.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.166.170]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA67378 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:57:22 -0400 Received: by unreal.stu.rpi.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC461B.8AD35BE0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:56:16 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC461B.8AD35BE0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> From: Bill Moller To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: what's the story? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:56:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk What's the story with the DES Violation Group? WHY ARE WE COMPETING PEOPLE? ~Bill Moller From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 02:03:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA19725 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA19720 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019718; Fri, 11 Apr 97 02:03:05 -0400 Received: (from rcv@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01004; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:10:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:10:16 -0600 From: Rocke Verser Message-Id: <199704110610.AAA01004@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com, mollew@rpi.edu Subject: Re: what's the story? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > From: Bill Moller > Subject: what's the story? > > What's the story with the DES Violation Group? WHY ARE WE COMPETING PEOPLE? > ~Bill Moller DESCHALL was the first DES keyserver. The DESCHALL server has been running since early February. DESCHALL clients have been available to the public since mid- to late-February. Perhaps you should ask DVG why *they* are competing. -- Rocke From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 02:17:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20189 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20181 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019938; Fri, 11 Apr 97 02:16:52 -0400 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA02518; Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:24:05 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:24:05 PDT From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704110624.AA02518@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Thanks for the help In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Michael Smith" ' dated: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:20:05 -0600 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, "Michael Smith" wrote: > Well, I *believe* that I have found the problem. It seems that my > version is a bit old (v 1.2.1) and doesn't have support for ELF (as > far as I can tell) Many thanks to all who sent me ideas. As I told > one, this was a pain in the ass, but it was a way to learn a lot > about Linux in a short period. Yes, the ELF-HOWTO at http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/ELF-HOWTO.html got me thru the by-hand conversions for my systems last year. Also, we may want to ask Rocke to make a Linux a.out version of the client (probably just a generic one, not 486, 586, and 686 flavors since not too many people are non-ELF anymore) I, for one, could dedicate a 100MHZ 586 if there was an a.out client. If Rocke makes one I'll use it. But it is probably more important to focus on other Unix platforms for now (tho' making a linux a.out should be pretty straight forward) Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge If you don't reinvent the wheel every now and then (510)-516-7127 how do you know for sure you can invent anything? From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 02:39:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA21246 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA21241 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: keith.sippy@cedar-rapids.net Received: from cedar-rapids.net(206.24.60.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021236; Fri, 11 Apr 97 02:39:27 -0400 Received: from myhostname ([206.24.60.63]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with SMTP (IPAD 1.51) id 6556000 ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:42:51 EST Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:42:07 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: what's the story? In-Reply-To: <01BC461B.8AD35BE0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.1 Message-Id: <199704110442.6556000@CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In <01BC461B.8AD35BE0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>, on 04/11/97 at 01:56 AM, Bill Moller said: >What's the story with the DES Violation Group? WHY ARE WE COMPETING >PEOPLE? ~Bill Moller I don't know why there are two groups. I do know why I chose the deschall client. It was the only one that supported my platform. (OS/2) And I wasn't going to waste my computers time trying to break it myself. That would just be futile. Unless I had a Cray XM-P or whatever their fastest is now... :) Keith -- ----------------------------------------------------------- keith.sippy@cedar-rapids.net MR/2 ICE #432563512 Support free choice on the Internet. Support eDNS! http://www.edns.net/ ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 02:49:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA21332 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA21327 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abilnet.com(205.226.233.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021325; Fri, 11 Apr 97 02:48:56 -0400 Received: from desire (desire.abilnet.com [205.226.233.40]) by arizona.abilnet.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-12377) with SMTP id AAA339; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:57:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: bginter@abilnet.com (Ben Ginter) To: , "Bill Moller" Subject: Re: what's the story? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:57:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Message-ID: <19970411065708504.AAA339@desire.abilnet.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk A good question, indeed. Perhaps the money! I must admit, I donated a few cycles to the DES Violation Group but quickly decided the DESCHALL was where I wanted to focus my efforts (however minimal they may be). They have as much right to attempt to find the key as we do. And while we could save some years of computing time by combining the efforts, that $10,000 quickly gets chopped up between competing programmers and so forth. Should the money be donated to charity to avoid these kind of entanglements? I don't think so.. at least not all of it. And some of the people who would donate it to charity do so only because of taxes. I'd sure like to put that money into more processing power for the rest of the challenges! Anyway, what if everyone followed the boat on everything? Others may approach it differently and show that brute force isn't the only way. Still others may disagree with the way keys are being doled or whatever. COMPETITION IS GOOD! That makes it a race to the finish, IMHO. And while we're trying to prove a point, we're also learning and adapting to make the process more efficient. The more angles this scrutiny and competition occurs at, the better we can attack the ITAR, which is our main goal anyway! Personally, I am just happy to participate. I visited the web pages of other brute force attacks too late, finding the competition over with and the winners (and losers) announced. I've been waiting for it to happen again and wouldn't be here without news.com (as much as some may scoff at that). I did 49 billion keys yesterday, while pale to some, boggles my mind. And I'm recruiting more power by the day. I convinced one of my friends to run it on his dual processor Pentium Pro 200 and while he has only been able to get one processor to work at it currently, he is getting like 850,000 kps. While this contest is designed to show the weaknesses of DES, with the charts and stats I have seen at the DESCHALL home page, I wonder how insecure it really is... gk@outlawlabs.com ---- From: Bill Moller To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 11:09 PM Subject: what's the story? >What's the story with the DES Violation Group? WHY ARE WE COMPETING PEOPLE? >~Bill Moller > From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 06:54:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA21765 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA21760 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu(130.132.21.199) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021758; Fri, 11 Apr 97 06:54:44 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.31]) by mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14031 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from josquin (josquin.pc.yale.edu [130.132.173.83]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11818 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:01:17 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC4646.27413090@jensen.harris@yale.edu> From: Jensen Harris To: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: Great news! Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:01:16 -0400 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4004 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It's not 100% definite yet, but I have been pushing very hard for the use of 37 Pentium-90 and Pentium-166 machines running NT which are idle > 90% of the day (and the other 10% are just used for telnet, word processing, etc.) It looks now like this is going to happen. This should be enough computers (in addition to my P-150, P-90 and a couple other random computers here on campus) to make a little dent, at least. We'll see what happens--I may be able to scrounge up 20 Linux Pentium 166's as well to check keys between 10PM and 8AM... THAT would be nice. I just need to get the computer science department interested enough to let me use the cycles (as it is, they don't allow logins except for locally although they are networked, and the building that they are in is only open 8am to 10pm). Jensen From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 07:30:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21848 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21843 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021841; Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:30:56 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id EAA26672 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id HAA04156; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:34:24 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860769255; Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:34:31 EST Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:34:31 EST Message-Id: <9703118607.AA860769255@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Resources. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Silly question here. Has anyone thought what we're going to do with this vast array of computing power once DES is cracked? Move down the list to the next RSA challenge? From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 07:59:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21923 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21916 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021912; Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:59:57 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id FAA27194 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id IAA04409; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:03:24 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860770996; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:04:02 EST Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:04:02 EST Message-Id: <9703118607.AA860770996@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Linux/BSDI boot-up diskettes. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I'm currently working on adding additional machines to the effort, but I'm a bit stumped. I'm limited in the number of "real" IP addresses that actually that I can actually use. The machines I can get access to, are mainly Windows 3.1 machines. Several people mentioned creating boot diskettes for these machines. Here is my situation. I know that I can use a Windows NT server to hide the IP addresses, or in theory, that the NT machine would act as the proxy for all the remaining machines on the network. Is this possible? My other question, the network here appears to be heavily subnetted, such that only a small range of IP addresses appear to work, if I just make up a random IP address (well, not too random, similar to ours, but in a range that my organization isn't using) and then map those to the NT box, wouldn't the NT server handle all those incoming and outgoing connections from there? Using DHCP or something, the clients would poll the NT server, and it would assign fake addresses from there? I also have access to Slackware (2.0.2) and Red Hat's 4.0 Linux, and I could attempt to create boot diskettes from this, but I don't know enough about Linux to know what I'd have to stick on the diskettes to make it work (and fit on one or two diskettes) Lastly. I have access to several stand alone machines near me, that aren't network enabled, but do run Windows 95/NT, however I have a single 10Base-T connection going to them. My thought, (highly unapproved of as yet), was to buy a small five or 8 port 10Base-T hub, and assigning them fictitious IP addresses like my scheme of above. The NT server in the example above isn't on the network yet, and this is the only manner I can think of to juggle the arrangements to get it to fit. Anyone, please tell me if I'm pissing in the dark, thanks! From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 08:03:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21960 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21953 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021949; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:03:57 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id FAA27262 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id IAA04445; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:07:24 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860771236; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:07:06 EST Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:07:06 EST Message-Id: <9703118607.AA860771236@ccmail.nextel.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Status page updating. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Yet another silly question (YASQ) I checked the Status page this morning at about 7:35AM EST, and it hadn't updated stats for the past two days, now when I checked at 8:06AM EST it was accurate until the tenth. By chance did I run into the nice spot, when Rocke was updating the page? From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 09:45:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22471 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22452 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022447; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:44:41 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id JAA08014; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008004; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:50:39 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10211; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704111350.JAA10211@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Resources. In-Reply-To: <9703118607.AA860769255@ccmail.nextel.com> References: <9703118607.AA860769255@ccmail.nextel.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Albert" == Albert Garrido at RUPOST2 writes: Albert> Has anyone thought what we're going to do with this vast array Albert> of computing power once DES is cracked? Move down the list to Albert> the next RSA challenge? Well, Rocke's software has been specifically for DES. If there's going to be a coordination of effort for an RC5 attack, I would suggest coordinating that effort through the same group that did 48-bit RC5. It isn't hard to tweak that software to make it search for other keysizes. However, 56-bit RC5 will require significantly more compute cycles than DES. I believe that we're going to be getting to a point where one would need to spend a little bit of money (~$400) on some FPGA equipment in order to do the cracks efficiently. General purpose computers really aren't suited well for this kind of thing. The fact that we can do it with general purpose computers only serves to stress how stupid it is to use small keys for crypto these days. -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 09:47:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22500 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22495 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022492; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:47:05 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id JAA08039; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008031; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:52:47 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10230; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704111352.JAA10230@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Status page updating. In-Reply-To: <9703118607.AA860771236@ccmail.nextel.com> References: <9703118607.AA860771236@ccmail.nextel.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Albert" == Albert Garrido at RUPOST2 writes: Albert> I checked the Status page this morning at about 7:35AM EST, Albert> and it hadn't updated stats for the past two days, now when I Albert> checked at 8:06AM EST it was accurate until the tenth. By Albert> chance did I run into the nice spot, when Rocke was updating Albert> the page? It was probably living in your cache somewhere the first time you tried to hit it. The next time you try to grab a page and it looks dated, if you're using Mozilla (Netscape), hold down shift and hit reload. That will force a fresh fetch from the server. -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 09:55:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22577 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22572 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Received: from mail2a.pilot.net(198.232.147.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022569; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:55:01 -0400 Received: from alchpns1.dialcall.com (unknown-2-9.dialcall.com [170.206.2.9]) by mail2a.pilot.net with SMTP id HAA01068 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.nextel.com by alchpns1.dialcall.com (8.6.10/1.34) id JAA06074; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:58:28 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.nextel.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860777896; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:59:57 EST Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:59:57 EST Message-Id: <9703118607.AA860777896@ccmail.nextel.com> Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Resources. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I guess we should start saving our pennies for some kind of neat-o parallel port attachment to do this with. Is it an angle even worth pursuing? -----Original Message----- From: cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 9:49 AM To: Albert Garrido Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Resources. However, 56-bit RC5 will require significantly more compute cycles than DES. I believe that we're going to be getting to a point where one would need to spend a little bit of money (~$400) on some FPGA equipment in order to do the cracks efficiently. General purpose From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 10:57:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23067 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23059 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu(128.46.128.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023053; Fri, 11 Apr 97 10:56:34 -0400 Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (gebis@localhost) by purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) id KAA08166; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:02:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704111502.KAA08166@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> From: Michael J Gebis Subject: Re: Resources. To: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:02:41 -0500 (EST) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <9703118607.AA860769255@ccmail.nextel.com> from "Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com" at Apr 11, 97 07:34:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Has anyone thought what we're going to do with this vast array of computing > power once DES is cracked? Move down the list to the next RSA challenge? There's a list of some collaborative distributed computations you can join at http://www.mersenne.org/ -- Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 11:20:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23230 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23225 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023221; Fri, 11 Apr 97 11:20:07 -0400 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9VT1>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101361@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Resources. Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:30:13 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > >>However, 56-bit RC5 will require significantly more compute cycles > >>than DES. I believe that we're going to be getting to a point where > >>one would need to spend a little bit of money (~$400) on some FPGA > >>equipment in order to do the cracks efficiently. General purpose > > >I guess we should start saving our pennies for some kind of neat-o > parallel port > >attachment to do this with. Is it an angle even worth pursuing? > > Nah, it would probably be most efficient to set up some sort of > back-plane with lots of slots, and then build little 8051 (or whatever > you prefer) microprocessor boards that can be hot-swapped into and out > of them. Then you need to ramp up production until you win. > > Unfortunately, this costs money and uses resources...so it isn't > as 'free' as this effort is... > > --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 11:59:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23488 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23483 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023479; Fri, 11 Apr 97 11:58:34 -0400 Received: from unreal.stu.rpi.edu (unreal.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.166.170]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA48530; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:05:25 -0400 Received: by unreal.stu.rpi.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC4670.7CB8F970@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:04:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC4670.7CB8F970@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> From: Bill Moller To: "'Ben Ginter'" , "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: RE: what's the story? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:04:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk But, in this case, competition is bad. If every year another DES brute = force group comes out, and people keep switching, we'll never find the = key? ~Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ben Ginter [SMTP:bginter@abilnet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 7:58 PM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Bill Moller Subject: Re: what's the story? A good question, indeed. Perhaps the money! I must admit, I donated a = few cycles to the DES Violation Group but quickly decided the DESCHALL was where I wanted to focus my efforts (however minimal they may be). They have as much right to attempt to find the key as we do. And while = we could save some years of computing time by combining the efforts, that $10,000 quickly gets chopped up between competing programmers and so = forth. Should the money be donated to charity to avoid these kind of entanglements? I don't think so.. at least not all of it. And some of = the people who would donate it to charity do so only because of taxes. I'd sure like to put that money into more processing power for the rest of = the challenges! Anyway, what if everyone followed the boat on everything? Others may approach it differently and show that brute force isn't the only way.=20 Still others may disagree with the way keys are being doled or whatever. = COMPETITION IS GOOD! That makes it a race to the finish, IMHO. And = while we're trying to prove a point, we're also learning and adapting to make = the process more efficient. The more angles this scrutiny and competition occurs at, the better we can attack the ITAR, which is our main goal anyway! Personally, I am just happy to participate. I visited the web pages of other brute force attacks too late, finding the competition over with = and the winners (and losers) announced. I've been waiting for it to happen again and wouldn't be here without news.com (as much as some may scoff = at that). I did 49 billion keys yesterday, while pale to some, boggles my mind. And I'm recruiting more power by the day. I convinced one of my friends to run it on his dual processor Pentium Pro 200 and while he has only been able to get one processor to work at it currently, he is = getting like 850,000 kps. While this contest is designed to show the weaknesses = of DES, with the charts and stats I have seen at the DESCHALL home page, I wonder how insecure it really is... gk@outlawlabs.com ---- From: Bill Moller To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 11:09 PM Subject: what's the story? >What's the story with the DES Violation Group? WHY ARE WE COMPETING PEOPLE? >~Bill Moller >=20 From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 12:01:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23509 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23504 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023502; Fri, 11 Apr 97 12:00:39 -0400 Received: from unreal.stu.rpi.edu (unreal.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.166.170]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA48400; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:07:50 -0400 Received: by unreal.stu.rpi.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC4670.D3B5A6B0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC4670.D3B5A6B0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> From: Bill Moller To: "'Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com'" , "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: RE: Resources. Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:06:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I think that's an excellent question. As far as I can tell, this is the = first time that people form all over are working towards a common goal = using their computers and the internet. I would definitely give up my = compute cycles to another worthy cause as soon as DES is cracked. ~Bill -----Original Message----- From: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com = [SMTP:Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com] Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 8:35 AM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Resources. Silly question here. Has anyone thought what we're going to do with this vast array of = computing power once DES is cracked? Move down the list to the next RSA = challenge? From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 12:44:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23744 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23739 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from naybob.ghq.com(204.73.247.161) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023736; Fri, 11 Apr 97 12:44:16 -0400 Received: (from jwhite@localhost) by ghq.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15405; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:51:22 -0500 From: Jeff White Message-Id: <199704111651.LAA15405@ghq.com> Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems To: jwhite@ghq.com (Jeff White) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:51:22 -0500 (CDT) Cc: albertel@cis.ohio-state.edu, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199704102016.PAA10194@ghq.com> from "Jeff White" at Apr 10, 97 03:16:35 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Jeff White Said: > > guy albertelli Said: > > > > > > The current client is a HP-UX-9 client, so there may a problem there. > > > > Let me know if you can ping the keymaster. > > > I suspect it's a problem with 10.20. I have the HP commercial > > > C compiler and I should be able to build a 32bit and 64bit version. > > > > Well it runs fine of the HP-UX 10 boxes we have here. . I suspect the > > packet filter that you mentioned, but most definately isn't any inherent > > problem in to v9 to v10 change. > > Okay, I found the problem. Our faster HP workstations have MDL and > Interphase 100BaseT etherhose cards in them. For some reason, both > vendors claim they don't have to have an actual device file /dev/lan0 > or /dev/fe0 in /dev. I remember this problem with another issue > with rbootd. > > I tried it out on another workstation with just the 10BaseT and it > is working. > > Any thoughts on the ethernet problem? > Seem to have another problem. I started about 50 HP-UX workstations on the attack last night, and around 2am they all stopped working (or so it appears in the logs). My machines at home are working fine. Both the Linux and HP-UX machines stopped. It is as though I'm not getting responses, although I get ping's, from the server. I can get through (on the same port) to my network at home, so I am making it through the firewall. Here's a tcpdump from the node inflexible.sw.bcd.adc.com: 10:36:54.429567 inflexible.1050 > doc.verser.frii.com.8669: udp 39 (ttl 64, id 39646) 4500 0043 9ade 0000 4011 56b0 9be2 113c cea8 0d55 041a 21dd 002f 9a0f 4932 2032 3220 4c69 6e75 7820 5630 2e32 3134 204d 6172 2031 3220 10:37:14.439567 inflexible.1050 > doc.verser.frii.com.8669: udp 39 (ttl 64, id 39691) 4500 0043 9b0b 0000 4011 5683 9be2 113c cea8 0d55 041a 21dd 002f 9a0f 4932 2032 3220 4c69 6e75 7820 5630 2e32 3134 204d 6172 2031 3220 Any ideas? -- Jeff White, ARS N0POY jwhite@ghq.com "Have you ever had a microchip implanted in your skull so the government can keep track of your every move? You will! And the company that will bring it to you is AT&T." From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 13:04:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23823 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23818 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023816; Fri, 11 Apr 97 13:04:19 -0400 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA13255 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:11:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA18983 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: HP 9000 Problems In-Reply-To: <199704111651.LAA15405@ghq.com> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Jeff White wrote: > Seem to have another problem. I started about 50 HP-UX workstations > on the attack last night, and around 2am they all stopped working > (or so it appears in the logs). My machines at home are working fine. > Both the Linux and HP-UX machines stopped. Sounds like a network problem to me. You were doing fine before 2am, right? If so, maybe Rocke can check the logs to see if you were making it through. It's entirely possible that there's a routing problem between your machine and frii.com. Can you get at the DESCHALL webpage? > It is as though I'm not getting responses, although I get ping's, from > the server. I can get through (on the same port) to my network at home, > so I am making it through the firewall. Are you sure the firewall isn't configured to allow UDP traffic to your home net? Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 1 + 1 = 3, for large enough values of 1. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 14:39:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24279 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24272 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu(128.46.172.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024268; Fri, 11 Apr 97 14:38:56 -0400 Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (gebis@localhost) by purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) id NAA17560; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:45:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704111845.NAA17560@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> From: Michael J Gebis Subject: Re: Resources. To: mollew@rpi.edu (Bill Moller) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:45:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: Albert_Garrido_at_RUPOST2@ccmail.nextel.com, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <01BC4670.D3B5A6B0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> from "Bill Moller" at Apr 11, 97 12:06:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I think that's an excellent question. As far as I can tell, this is the = > first time that people form all over are working towards a common goal = > using their computers and the internet. I would definitely give up my = > compute cycles to another worthy cause as soon as DES is cracked. Not to take away from the importance of what we are doing here, but it is definitely not the first collaborative computation project. And althought this isn't the first, it will be the largest and perhaps even the most significant such project. One of the first MAJOR such projects was the factorization of RSA-129, which was finally factored in March of 1994. http://ftp.rsa.com/rsalabs/faq/q51.html The cypherpunks have also had several rc4 key breaking computations over the years. http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/hall.html That's me in 16th place with 1.562% of the keyspace, and yes, I'm still proud of that. :) -- Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 16:11:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24769 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24761 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024757; Fri, 11 Apr 97 16:11:17 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18485 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29361 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:18:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from barracuda4.me.mtu.edu (weage@barracuda4.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.84]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id QAA11996 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:18:01 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by barracuda4.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id QAA25458 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704112018.QAA25458@barracuda4.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Sun Sparc Client To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I tried the two sun sparc clients, one for solaris, the other for SunOS. Neither of them worked on the machines I have available, which are running SunOS 5.5. Here is the output: DES Violation Client v1.0 (C) Copyright 1997 the DES Violation Group gethostbyname: Error 0 Obtaining keyspace from keyserver.des.violation.net. Error connecting to server. Waiting 2 minutes.... Any ideas? I just started running deschall on my Pentium machine, so I'm not very famillar with it. But, I tried running it nohup deschall >& /dev/null & and it hangs expecting keyboard input. Any ways to run the process in the background? Thanks for any ideas. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 16:20:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24806 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24801 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024799; Fri, 11 Apr 97 16:20:04 -0400 Received: from unreal.stu.rpi.edu (unreal.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.166.170]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA43942; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:26:42 -0400 Received: by unreal.stu.rpi.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC4694.FD890210@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:25:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC4694.FD890210@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> From: Bill Moller To: "'Joshua Weage'" , des Subject: RE: Sun Sparc Client Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:25:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk one idea, you're running a DES violation client. ~Bill mollew@rpi.edu RPI, #1003 Chruch VI 110 8th Street Troy, NY 12180 (518)276-4755 -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Weage [SMTP:weage@mtu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 4:18 PM To: des Subject: Sun Sparc Client I tried the two sun sparc clients, one for solaris, the other for SunOS. Neither of them worked on the machines I have available, which are running SunOS 5.5. Here is the output: DES Violation Client v1.0 (C) Copyright 1997 the DES Violation Group gethostbyname: Error 0 Obtaining keyspace from keyserver.des.violation.net. Error connecting to server. Waiting 2 minutes.... Any ideas? I just started running deschall on my Pentium machine, so I'm not very famillar with it. But, I tried running it nohup deschall >& /dev/null & and it hangs expecting keyboard input. Any ways to run the process in the background? Thanks for any ideas. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 16:27:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24832 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24827 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.imall.com(207.173.184.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024825; Fri, 11 Apr 97 16:27:02 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by gate.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14522; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.imall.com(10.0.5.2) by gate.imall.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014509; Fri, 11 Apr 97 14:34:01 -0600 Received: from beagle.imall.com (beagle.imall.com [10.0.5.31]) by mail.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09871; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (humphery@localhost) by beagle.imall.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05508; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:33:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Phil Humpherys To: Joshua Weage cc: des Subject: Re: Sun Sparc Client In-Reply-To: <199704112018.QAA25458@barracuda4.me.mtu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk you need to give it a server: 206.168.13.85 so, nohup deschal 206.168.13.85 & should do the trick. On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Joshua Weage wrote: | I tried the two sun sparc clients, one for solaris, | the other for SunOS. Neither of them worked on the machines | I have available, which are running SunOS 5.5. | Here is the output: | | DES Violation Client v1.0 | (C) Copyright 1997 the DES Violation Group | gethostbyname: Error 0 | Obtaining keyspace from keyserver.des.violation.net. | Error connecting to server. | Waiting 2 minutes.... | | Any ideas? I just started running deschall on | my Pentium machine, so I'm not very famillar with it. | But, I tried running it | nohup deschall >& /dev/null & | and it hangs expecting keyboard input. Any ways to run | the process in the background? | Thanks for any ideas. | | Josh | | | -- | - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - | - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - | - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - | - arms, shall not be infringed." - | - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - | -pH -------------- Phil Humpherys Email: ph@imall.com humphery@beagle.imall.com Systems Administrator/Engineer Office: +1.801.377.0899 Information Technology Services Pager: +1.801.276.3494 iMALL, Inc. PGP key: http://ph.imall.com From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 16:44:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24926 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24917 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024914; Fri, 11 Apr 97 16:44:25 -0400 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA22528 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:51:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA06884 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:51:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lung.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: des Subject: Re: Sun Sparc Client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Phil Humpherys wrote: > so, > > nohup deschal 206.168.13.85 & > > should do the trick. No. As another poster has said, he's downloaded the client for the wrong DES cracking effort. Rocke: How about splitting up the .zip files at the archive, like the DES violation group has done? If nothing else, it will take up a bit more of the page so we can be spotted easier. The last thing we want to do is spend effort encouraging people to accidently download the wrong clients. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Imagining it is complex. Using it is simple. Creating it is revolutionary." -- Apple Computer HCI ad on the back of "Interactions" From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 16:53:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25015 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25010 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025008; Fri, 11 Apr 97 16:53:13 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20057 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06109 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from barracuda4.me.mtu.edu (weage@barracuda4.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.84]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id RAA12662 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:00:01 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by barracuda4.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id RAA25571 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704112100.RAA25571@barracuda4.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Sun Sparc Client To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Seems like I downloaded the wrong client. The zipped version runs fine. Thanks for the info everyone. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 17:52:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25293 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25288 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025286; Fri, 11 Apr 97 17:51:53 -0400 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9VVV>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:02:02 -0700 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929101367@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: des Subject: RE: Sun Sparc Client Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:01:59 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hmm...I think we REALLY need to work on keep the archives seperate...or try and get the violation people to join us... --- Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Moller [SMTP:mollew@rpi.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 1:26 PM > To: 'Joshua Weage'; des > Subject: RE: Sun Sparc Client > > one idea, you're running a DES violation client. > ~Bill > > mollew@rpi.edu > RPI, #1003 Chruch VI > 110 8th Street > Troy, NY 12180 > (518)276-4755 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Weage [SMTP:weage@mtu.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 4:18 PM > To: des > Subject: Sun Sparc Client > > I tried the two sun sparc clients, one for solaris, > the other for SunOS. Neither of them worked on the machines > I have available, which are running SunOS 5.5. > Here is the output: > > DES Violation Client v1.0 > (C) Copyright 1997 the DES Violation Group > gethostbyname: Error 0 > Obtaining keyspace from keyserver.des.violation.net. > Error connecting to server. > Waiting 2 minutes.... > > Any ideas? I just started running deschall on > my Pentium machine, so I'm not very famillar with it. > But, I tried running it > nohup deschall >& /dev/null & > and it hangs expecting keyboard input. Any ways to run > the process in the background? > Thanks for any ideas. > > Josh > > > -- > - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - > - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - > - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - > - arms, shall not be infringed." - > - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 18:16:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25374 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25369 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abilnet.com(205.226.233.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025367; Fri, 11 Apr 97 18:15:43 -0400 Received: from debra (tempe-039.abilnet.com [205.226.232.130]) by arizona.abilnet.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-12377) with SMTP id AAA324; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:23:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: bginter@abilnet.com (Ben Ginter) To: , "Bill Moller" Subject: Re: what's the story? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:14:59 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Message-ID: <19970411222354031.AAA324@tempe-039.abilnet.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk The question isn't whether we'll find the key, it's when. I don't want to be at this for years but there's money at stake and that breeds competition in our society. While any group could find it, I think DESCHALL has the best chances based on the stats I've been watching. Even if I don't find the key, I am rooting for the DESCHALL group to find it. I think we have the best chances based on what I've seen. I think newcomers will see that as well and will "jump on the bandwagon" so to say. I know I have. While certainly nowhere near RPI's stats, I'm happy to say that I went through over 108 billion keys yesterday, up from the previous day's 49 billion. I think I can add at least 73 billion more keys/day (got a dual ppro200 ready to go online).. and if we can figure out how to get both processors to work at the same time (under NT), I think I can boost that up to over 250billion keys/day. That'd put me at 18th place! :) I've been kind of waiting to see a linux bootdisk appear but I'm going to make my own, I think. That should push my numbers up even more. I'd just be happy doing more than calpoly.edu and mit.edu.. >:] The scary thing is, what happens when we do find it and no one cares and DES is still used? That just means we'll perfect the process of brute-force'ing it and will make it easier for deviants to accomplish it. (Did I say deviant?) Anyway, my two cents.. Ben ---- From: Bill Moller To: 'Ben Ginter' ; deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Friday, April 11, 1997 9:26 AM Subject: RE: what's the story? But, in this case, competition is bad. If every year another DES brute force group comes out, and people keep switching, we'll never find the key? ~Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ben Ginter [SMTP:bginter@abilnet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 1997 7:58 PM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Bill Moller Subject: Re: what's the story? [...] Anyway, what if everyone followed the boat on everything? Others may approach it differently and show that brute force isn't the only way. Still others may disagree with the way keys are being doled or whatever. COMPETITION IS GOOD! That makes it a race to the finish, IMHO. And while we're trying to prove a point, we're also learning and adapting to make the process more efficient. The more angles this scrutiny and competition occurs at, the better we can attack the ITAR, which is our main goal anyway! From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:19:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25537 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25532 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.earthlink.net(198.68.160.4) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025530; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:18:55 -0400 Received: from ceres (Snefru@[206.85.94.250]) by mercury.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14135 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704112327.QAA14135@mercury.earthlink.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Murphy" Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:26:05 -8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: feature request for DESChall client Reply-to: brianm@earthlink.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've noticed that most of the other groups running DES cracks have an option in their client to specify an "email address" to be associated with the person running the client on their machine(s). I'm running it on 6 machines at the moment from three different domains. I'd really like to get that warm, and fuzzy feeling of seeing where I rank, without having to waste hundreds, or thousands of CPU cycles using calculator to add up the number of key blocks myself. I could be devoting those valuable cycles to deschall! Also..what is Rocke planning on doing with the prize money? Is he going to give some to the person who finds the key, send to charity, send his kids to college, or buy everyone who participates a keg of beer? Brian Murphy Network Engineer Earthlink Network, Inc. brianm@earthlink.net There is no such thing as a selfless act. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:20:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25555 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25550 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu(130.132.21.199) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025545; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:20:00 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.31]) by mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23715 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from josquin (josquin.pc.yale.edu [130.132.173.83]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25077 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC46AE.40719290@jensen.harris@yale.edu> From: Jensen Harris To: des Subject: RE: Sun Sparc Client Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:26:27 -0400 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4004 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Friday, April 11, 1997 6:02 PM, Adam Haberlach [SMTP:HaberlaA@testlab.orst.edu] wrote: > > Hmm...I think we REALLY need to work on keep the archives > seperate...or try and get the violation people to join us... FWIW, I also ran the DES Violation client for > 1 day before I realized it wasn't the deschall client. This is a big and very real problem. Jensen From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:27:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25574 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25569 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025567; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:27:27 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24140 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21235 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id TAA13829 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:34:17 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id TAA06378 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704112334.TAA06378@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Client archive & RE: what's the story? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:34:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I just heard about this competition yesterday, so I grabbed the most obvious client at the archive, guess I got the wrong one. It isn't real obvious by the web page that the violation clients are not the deschal clients. I tried searching for 'des violation' on the web but no luck, I'm still not sure what that group is. RE: what's the story? MTU has just recently jumped quite high in the ratings, we have a lot of students on campus who are running deschal on their machines. I also just setup 6 Sun Workstations, each with 4 processors to run deschal during the night hours, should help mtu's score also :). I like the idea behind the Challenge group, and I think other people will see it also. It helps to have a large established base to attract additional people to join in. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:30:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25597 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25592 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu(128.8.70.137) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025584; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:29:44 -0400 Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (brette@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.110]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14059 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brette@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29896 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:36:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac10.wam.umd.edu: brette owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Moseley To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Looking at the stats... In-Reply-To: <19970411222354031.AAA324@tempe-039.abilnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Looking at the exponential growth in terms of keys found, anyone want to take a guess as to when we'll be done... I'm guessing in the three-four day range, although I guess the curve could flatten out... Any math majors want to hazard a more concrete guess? Its funny but the graphs remind me of some old Calc 1 problems... -Brett- From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:41:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25639 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25634 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025632; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:41:12 -0400 Received: from sector.com (cl7-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.180]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08412; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:41:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:48:20 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com, t@mail.chatlink.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: feature request for DESChall client Message-Id: <860791700-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860791700-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I've noticed that most of the other groups running DES cracks have > an option in their client to specify an "email address" to be > associated with the person running the client on their machine(s). > I'm running it on 6 machines at the moment from three > different domains. I'd really like to get that warm, and fuzzy > feeling of seeing where I rank, without having to waste hundreds, or > thousands of CPU cycles using calculator to add up the number of key > blocks myself. I could be devoting those valuable cycles to > deschall! Just use a hand calculator. (or does Rocke have a client for those as well, if he does I can add 15 or so more systems to the effort?) ;> > Also..what is Rocke planning on doing with the prize money? Is he > going to give some to the person who finds the key, send to charity, > send his kids to college, or buy everyone who participates a keg of > beer? He get's 60% of it and the client that finds the key can claim the remaining 40% (check the web page for further details). From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:42:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25667 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25655 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelso.pclink.com(204.72.134.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025648; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:41:55 -0400 Received: from beast (icepick@pm1-05 [206.11.0.45]) by pclink.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27826 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970411184412.00691ee8@pclink.com> X-Sender: icepick@pclink.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:44:12 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Icepick Subject: Re: Looking at the stats... In-Reply-To: References: <19970411222354031.AAA324@tempe-039.abilnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 07:36 PM 4/11/97 -0400, Brett Moseley wrote: > >Looking at the exponential growth in terms of keys found, anyone want to >take a guess as to when we'll be done... I'm guessing in the three-four >day range, although I guess the curve could flatten out... Three or Four DAYS? Whoa, lemme check the stats again... Nope, we haven't got all of China running DESCHALL in the past day, so I'm gonna put forth a pretty safe guess and say, no, three or four days isn't realistic. Last I heard at this rate of growth, it'll take 80 or so days. no more no less no fear no need no height no depth too great godspeed Prove DES is weak, crack it! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:42:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25675 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25654 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelso.pclink.com(204.72.134.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025649; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:41:57 -0400 Received: from beast (icepick@pm1-05 [206.11.0.45]) by pclink.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27837; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:49:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970411184629.00694d60@pclink.com> X-Sender: icepick@pclink.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:46:29 -0500 To: Joshua Weage , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) From: Icepick Subject: Re: Client archive & RE: what's the story? In-Reply-To: <199704112334.TAA06378@rock.me.mtu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 07:34 PM 4/11/97 -0400, Joshua Weage wrote: > RE: what's the story? MTU has just recently >jumped quite high in the ratings, we have a lot of students >on campus who are running deschal on their machines. I also >just setup 6 Sun Workstations, each with 4 processors >to run deschal during the night hours, should help >mtu's score also :). Ah, good old Tech. I graduated from there about 14 months ago, and was just up visiting last week. I mention DESCHALL to two people, on goes an posts to the local annouce newsgroup, and lo and behold half of campus starts it up. Gotta love that. :) no more no less no fear no need no height no depth too great godspeed Prove DES is weak, crack it! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:43:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25705 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25700 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025696; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:43:06 -0400 Received: from sector.com (cl7-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.180]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08540 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:43:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:50:13 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: feature request for DESChall client Message-Id: <860791813-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860791813-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I've noticed that most of the other groups running DES cracks have > an option in their client to specify an "email address" to be > associated with the person running the client on their machine(s). > I'm running it on 6 machines at the moment from three > different domains. I'd really like to get that warm, and fuzzy > feeling of seeing where I rank, without having to waste hundreds, or > thousands of CPU cycles using calculator to add up the number of key > blocks myself. I could be devoting those valuable cycles to > deschall! Just use a hand calculator. (or does Rocke have a client for those as well, if he does I can add 15 or so more systems to the effort?) ;> > Also..what is Rocke planning on doing with the prize money? Is he > going to give some to the person who finds the key, send to charity, > send his kids to college, or buy everyone who participates a keg of > beer? He get's 60% of it and the client that finds the key can claim the remaining 40% (check the web page for further details). From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:48:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25737 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25732 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025730; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:48:24 -0400 Received: from sector.com (cl7-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.180]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08832 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:49:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:55:33 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Looking at the stats... Message-Id: <860792133-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <860792133-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Nope, we haven't got all of China running DESCHALL in the > past day, so I'm gonna put forth a pretty safe guess and > say, no, three or four days isn't realistic. We wouldn't need them if we could just get everyone with a Pentium (or equivelent) to run it for one day that would take care of it. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 19:58:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25759 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25754 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.earthlink.net(198.68.160.4) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025752; Fri, 11 Apr 97 19:57:48 -0400 Received: from ceres (Snefru@[206.85.94.250]) by mercury.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25048 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704120005.RAA25048@mercury.earthlink.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Murphy" Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:05:00 -8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: What does "key pairs" mean? Reply-to: brianm@earthlink.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've noticed that the client tells me: Processor 1 -- 2^30 complementary pairs of keys starting with... What exactly are "complementary pairs of keys"? Why are they complementary? Brian Murphy Network Engineer Earthlink Network, Inc. brianm@earthlink.net There is no such thing as a selfless act. From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 20:16:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25826 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25821 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu(141.219.151.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025819; Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:16:40 -0400 Received: from csl.mtu.edu (davidjan@csl.mtu.edu [141.219.150.50]) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA19713 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:23:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (davidjan@localhost) by csl.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-1.2) with SMTP id UAA09522 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:23:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Anderson To: des Subject: Re: Client archive & RE: what's the story? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411184629.00694d60@pclink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I mention DESCHALL to two people, on goes an posts to the > local annouce newsgroup, and lo and behold half of campus > starts it up. I happen to be one of the people who happened to post to our newsgroup to get people into it and within 2 hrs, over 40 personal comps had started up around campus. Pretty good. But there is a major problem with knowing which clients to download, isn't quite obvious enough (as other people have mentioned.). I had downloaded the wrong group's files also and was helping them by mistake for a bit. Problem is corrected mostly through campus, but still a lot of people have asked me which files to DL. Perhaps someone could update the homepage to make it even more obvious about which files are needed for which OS? Dave -- \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +--------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo----------------------+ | | | David J. Anderson @ Michigan Tech...I think %-} | | davidjan@mtu.edu OR flannel@techie.com | | davidjan@flannel.resnet.mtu.edu | | Computer Science Major | | Web page: http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~davidjan | | (906) 487-0701, must be 18 or older to call... | | | | "When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look | | like a thumb." | | | +----------------------------Oooo-----------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 20:29:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25859 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25854 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu(128.8.70.135) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025852; Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:28:47 -0400 Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (brette@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.110]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13612 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brette@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03973 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:35:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac10.wam.umd.edu: brette owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Moseley To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Looking at the stats... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970411184412.00691ee8@pclink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Icepick wrote: > At 07:36 PM 4/11/97 -0400, Brett Moseley wrote: > > Three or Four DAYS? Whoa, lemme check the stats again... > > Nope, we haven't got all of China running DESCHALL in the > past day, so I'm gonna put forth a pretty safe guess and > say, no, three or four days isn't realistic. > > Last I heard at this rate of growth, it'll take 80 or so days. > The only reason why I came up w/ the value of 3-4 days is that as of last check, we are reducing the time needed by .5 years per day (and that seems to be increasing). Extrapolating that out (and considering that we only have 3.5 years to go), I figured somewhere within a week... Of course, this brand of logic could explain why I'm a Bio major... -Brett- From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 20:36:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25885 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25879 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop.cs.wisc.edu(128.105.22.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025877; Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:35:47 -0400 Received: from sol31.cs.wisc.edu (sol31.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.41.131]) by pop.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16875; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:42:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:42:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles McKenzie To: des cc: dvgroup@des.violation.net Subject: RE: Sun Sparc Client In-Reply-To: <01BC46AE.40719290@jensen.harris@yale.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It probably would be a good idea to try to get the two groups to work together, or at least communicate, rather than both cracking the same keys. Rather than trying to merge the current databases, would it be easier for each group to start working on a different end of the keyspace? Chuck McKenzie charlesm@cs.wisc.edu UW-Madison CS Webmaster From owner-deschall Fri Apr 11 22:29:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA26152 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA26147 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026145; Fri, 11 Apr 97 22:29:00 -0400 Received: from unreal.stu.rpi.edu (unreal.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.166.170]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA44978 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:04:36 -0400 Received: by unreal.stu.rpi.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC46C4.3243F4E0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:03:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC46C4.3243F4E0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> From: Bill Moller To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: re-iteration Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:03:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just a note to everyone, remember, do not run deschall on a remote = machine that someone is already running it on. It will not only not = help, but hinder your efforts. The scheduler will have to context = switch to another process, and that'll take extra time (though ever so = minute). Also, remember to be NICE. ~Bill mollew@rpi.edu RPI, #1003 Chruch VI 110 8th Street Troy, NY 12180 (518)276-4755 From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 00:02:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26297 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26292 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026290; Sat, 12 Apr 97 00:02:35 -0400 Received: from unreal.stu.rpi.edu (you@unreal.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.166.170]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA50912 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:09:26 -0400 Received: by unreal.stu.rpi.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BC46D5.A2E2EB50@unreal.stu.rpi.edu>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:08:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC46D5.A2E2EB50@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> From: Bill Moller To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: live nfo Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:08:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Well, I started a channel on EFNET to hopefully handle some of the = traffic from the mailing list (Lord knows I can't shut up). For things = like q & A on getting something working, sometimes it's better to talk = to someone live. It's #DESChallenge. See ya. ~Bill mollew@rpi.edu RPI, #1003 Chruch VI 110 8th Street Troy, NY 12180 (518)276-4755 From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 02:55:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA27026 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA27021 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phaedrus.punk.net(204.212.160.51) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027019; Sat, 12 Apr 97 02:55:38 -0400 Received: (from dspencer@localhost) by phaedrus.punk.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA00259; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:05:30 -0700 From: Dave Spencer Message-Id: <199704120705.AAA00259@phaedrus.punk.net> Subject: Re: what's the story? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bginter@abilnet.com In-Reply-To: <19970411222354031.AAA324@tempe-039.abilnet.com> from "Ben Ginter" at Apr 11, 97 03:14:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > make my own, I think. That should push my numbers up even more. I'd just > be happy doing more than calpoly.edu and mit.edu.. >:] > Awwww :) That gives me such warm fuzzies! Hey, if anyone has a friend at calpoly, tell them to check out my new page at http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dspencer/deschall.html :) - We've *got* to stay ahead of MIT and Berkeley, y'know! *grin* -Dave Proud participant from punk.net and calpoly.edu ---------------------------------------------------- -------- --- - -- - - Dave Spencer - dspencer@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu Computer Science Student Homepage: http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dspencer/ Cal Poly San Luis Obispo "There is no TRUTH. There is no REALITY. There is no CONSISTENCY. There are no ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. I'm very probably wrong." - a fortune From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 03:51:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA28789 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 03:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA28784 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 03:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nak.berkeley.edu(128.32.206.21) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028782; Sat, 12 Apr 97 03:50:35 -0400 Received: from grf63.reshall.berkeley.edu (grf63.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.80.63]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA22539 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970412005723.006ce1d8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: arlenk@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:57:40 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Arlen Khodadadi Subject: Press Release? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I seemed to have lost the copy of the Press Release that was floating around here in the last week or so. Could someone please send me a copy? I am trying to get some of the computer facilities (as well as other students) here on campus at UC Berkeley to join the effort. Can anyone give me some advice on the best way to get other people and/or computer facilities to agree to have this program run on their computers? Thanks... arlenk@uclink4.berkeley.edu From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 06:16:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA29013 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA29005 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029001; Sat, 12 Apr 97 06:16:52 -0400 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA20499; Sat, 12 Apr 97 03:24:03 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Apr 97 03:24:03 PDT From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704121024.AA20499@redhook.llnl.gov> To: brette@wam.umd.edu, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Looking at the stats... In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Brett Moseley ' dated: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Brett Moseley wrote: > Looking at the exponential growth in terms of keys found, anyone want to > take a guess as to when we'll be done... I'm guessing in the three-four > day range, although I guess the curve could flatten out... > > Any math majors want to hazard a more concrete guess? Its funny but the > graphs remind me of some old Calc 1 problems... Just to prove I can nerd out using numbers along with the best of 'em, I tried to think how one could model the key-rate versus time. Let r(t) be the key rate, the number of keys checked per day, and "t" the time (i.e. which day). One might model things by: dr(t)/dt = a*r(t) + b dr(t)/dt is the time derivative of the key rate. The amount the key rate changes per day. The a*r(t) term says: Our key rate grows proportional to the current keyrate. This is plausible given the rule people running will tell friends about DES challenge, some of which will participate, and so on. This is exponential growth. The b term say: Nah, our key rate grows at a constant rate. The number of machines added per day is pretty much the same. This is linear growth. In reality a better model would be to have the a and b depend on time. I.e. a(t), b(t). One might say the a(t) and b(t) make big jumps after important press releases, etc, etc: but this is impossible to model. So let's keep a and b constant and try to get some estimates. I considered the two cases: 1) a != 0 and b = 0 (expo growth) 2) b != 0 and a = 0 (linear growth) Reasonable to guess the truth lies somewhere in between. I took the data for the last 20 days and did a least squares fit to the data for the two cases to get either "a" or "b". My results (I might have a bug or two left, it's late and the wine bottle over there looks surprisingly empty ;-) 1) expo growth: time to 1/2 keyspace: 95 days time to full keyspace: 106 days. if I fit to the last 30 days, I get full keyspace is done in 81 days which is close to someone else's exponential growth estimate. But doing 1/2 of the keyspace in the last 11 days sounds a bit much, let's err on the side of conservative and look at 1) linear growth: time to 1/2 keyspace: 268 days time to full keyspace: 378 days. This is most likely an underestimate. But I think it is GREAT NEWS! Worse case seems to be about one year right now! Some more good press to jack up "b" and we'll be in great shape! My speculation: 4-5 months from now, Aug-Sept. But the more exponential the better! I hope I'm underestimating! Best, Karl From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 06:41:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA29052 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA29047 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay2.its.yale.edu(130.132.21.73) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029045; Sat, 12 Apr 97 06:41:15 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.31]) by mail-relay2.its.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20568 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from josquin (josquin.pc.yale.edu [130.132.173.83]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA15971 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC470D.60B67B10@jensen.harris@yale.edu> From: Jensen Harris To: "Deschall (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Looking at the stats... Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:47:23 -0400 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4004 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Saturday, April 12, 1997 6:24 AM, Karl J. Runge [SMTP:runge@redhook.llnl.gov] wrote: > > My speculation: 4-5 months from now, Aug-Sept. I think the numbers are very, very interesting. We shall see, I guess... One pleasant thought--of course, because the "needle" could be anywhere in the haystack, any key has the same possibility of being the correct key than any other one--we just happen to narrow down the haystack by millions of pieces of hay every second. It is entirely possible that they code could be cracked today--or tomorrow. Or in 5 days. Or whatever. Especially since it is *one* code (and not a large sample of 56-bit encrypted codes), the laws of probability mean fairly little. All we can really say is "this is how many we've done so far, and this is how many are left. If we get really, really unlucky, we would crack it on the latest at X date". Wouldn't it be great to crack it though with < 1% of the keyspace searched? I mean, we would know it's an anomaly, but imagine the press take on it... it certainly would make a statement about the strength of DES encryption. Ah, well, we can only hope... :) Jensen From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 13:25:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29715 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29710 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029708; Sat, 12 Apr 97 13:25:20 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00133 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199704121641.MAA00133@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall" Subject: Log Files? Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:40:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I see various people referring to their log files. As far as I can tell, I don't have one. Is this because it's only a unix thing? (I am running the win32 client) Or are they just piping the output of deschall to a file? Also, what's the chance of having a nice win32 client come out. I mean something that isn't just a straight unix c port, but maybe some user interface or something. If the client would minimize into the taskbar that would make my day. It seems like it would be easy to just throw a wrapper on top of the existing c code, but I don't know whether you would lose efficiency. Scott McIntyre From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 14:04:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29816 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29811 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029809; Sat, 12 Apr 97 14:04:01 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13560 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06548 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id OAA17136 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:10:50 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id OAA21959 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704121811.OAA21959@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: RE: Log Files? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk To get a log file, just pipe the output of deschall to a file. That's all there is to it. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 14:36:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29947 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29942 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029940; Sat, 12 Apr 97 14:36:08 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id OAA27136; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027134; Sat, 12 Apr 97 14:42:38 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14321; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704121842.OAA14321@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Arlen Khodadadi Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Press Release? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970412005723.006ce1d8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> References: <3.0.32.19970412005723.006ce1d8@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Arlen" == Arlen Khodadadi writes: Arlen> I seemed to have lost the copy of the Press Release that was Arlen> floating around here in the last week or so. Could someone Arlen> please send me a copy? http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/deschall-announce.html -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 15:55:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00222 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00214 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000207; Sat, 12 Apr 97 15:54:42 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13059-2210>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:01:54 -0600 Subject: Stats report From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Apr12.140154-0600_mdt.13059-2210+82@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, On the Status Report page, it says something about "Time to 50% completion". Why is it not 100% instead of 50%? Is 50% the same as 100% because of the complementary key pair business? Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. - Albert Einstein From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 16:02:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00249 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00244 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000241; Sat, 12 Apr 97 16:01:38 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13059-2212>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:08:44 -0600 Subject: IP Masquerading and DESCHALL From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Apr12.140844-0600_mdt.13059-2212+107@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, It appears that I will be able to get access to a high-end Pentium within a few weeks. The new machine will run Win95/Win NT. Since I only have one IP, I plan to connect the new machine to my Linux box through IP Masquerading. Would DESCHALL run on this setup? Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. - Albert Einstein From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 16:04:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00264 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00259 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000257; Sat, 12 Apr 97 16:03:44 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id QAA27922; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027918; Sat, 12 Apr 97 16:10:13 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14512; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704122010.QAA14512@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Howard Cheng Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Stats report In-Reply-To: <97Apr12.140154-0600_mdt.13059-2210+82@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> References: <97Apr12.140154-0600_mdt.13059-2210+82@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Howard" == Howard Cheng writes: Howard> Hi, On the Status Report page, it says something about "Time Howard> to 50% completion". Why is it not 100% instead of 50%? Is Howard> 50% the same as 100% because of the complementary key pair Howard> business? On an average, you'll only have to look through 50% of the keyspace to find the correct key. The 48-bit RC5 search, for example, only looked through 57% of the keyspace before finding the key. -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 16:38:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00337 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00330 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from natasha.eden.com(199.171.21.14) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000327; Sat, 12 Apr 97 16:38:09 -0400 Received: from net-7-208.austin.eden.com (net-7-208.austin.eden.com [206.81.244.208]) by natasha.eden.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04566 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:45:18 -0500 (CDT) From: charris@eden.com (Carol Harris) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Subject: Re: Log Files? Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:43:09 GMT Message-ID: <3350f2b5.58557157@mail.eden.com> References: <199704121811.OAA21959@rock.me.mtu.edu> In-Reply-To: <199704121811.OAA21959@rock.me.mtu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In Windows 95 the command deschal5 206.168.13.85 > logfile.txt=20 works fine. After that, simply press=20 Alt + Tab to go back to the Windows screen. DESCHAL5 should show=20 minimized on the taskbar. Is there a way to also show the output=20 in a DOS box? I like to see where the=20 program is so that I don't kill it 2 minutes=20 before it reports back to the server. Thank you, Carol Harris From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 16:54:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00372 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00367 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000365; Sat, 12 Apr 97 16:53:44 -0400 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA10408; Sat, 12 Apr 97 14:00:57 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Apr 97 14:00:57 PDT From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704122100.AA10408@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Looking at the stats... In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Jensen Harris ' dated: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:47:23 -0400 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jensen Harris wrote: > > I think the numbers are very, very interesting. We shall see, I guess... The interesting thing is with the BIG increases over the last couple days, 13% two days ago and 27% yesterday, the key rate is now really showing the upward curvature of the exponential growth we want! A few days ago it was hard to argue it wasn't linear, but the upward bend is pretty evident now. In the least squares fit, exponential growth fits the curve *very* well, straight line, not so well. Anyway, fitting to exponential growth over the last 20 days suggests 87 total days to to half the keyspace and 96 to full coverage, with the number of hosts 140,000 at 1/2 and 280,000 at end of keyspace. (we have about 2,000 now) It would be very impressive if we had this many hosts at the end. An interesting display of the power of the internet! The conservative linear growth estimate shows 241 days to 1/2 and 339 days to end of keyspace with 16,000 and 23,000 hosts respectively. This seems pretty doable: an upper bound to how long we have to wait. But I must remember extrapolating from current 0.5% of keyspace to 50% of keyspace is quite a stretch, but it will be fun to see what happens. Keep spreading the word! Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge I must be the center of the Universe... (510)-516-7127 everything gets smaller when it moves away from me. From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 18:35:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00579 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00574 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eesun2.tamu.edu(128.194.24.178) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000571; Sat, 12 Apr 97 18:35:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (ronjeet@localhost) by ee.tamu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02093 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:42:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:42:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Ronjeet Singh Lal To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: what's the story? In-Reply-To: <01BC461B.8AD35BE0@unreal.stu.rpi.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi All!!! I don't know if having two groups attack the problem is such a bad idea. This would help if there is a bug in the DES Challenge program or a random act of nature (bit-flip in memory) causes one of the clients to incorrectly report not finding the key. If both groups work on different keyspaces I don't see any harm done. (Although I would like Rocke to get his well deserved $6000.) My two cents, Ron p.s. Don't forget the other large distributed projects at www.mersenne.org when this is done. On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Bill Moller wrote: > What's the story with the DES Violation Group? WHY ARE WE COMPETING PEOPLE? > ~Bill Moller From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 21:37:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA00936 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA00931 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000929; Sat, 12 Apr 97 21:36:49 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23686 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04484 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id VAA19995 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:43:40 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id VAA02330 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704130143.VAA02330@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: complimentary keys vs. k/sec To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk We are setting up a web page to report statistics on mtu.edu's machines. However, we are wondering whether the correct rate is 2^29 / time or 2^30 / time. When the client reports 2^29 complimentary keys, are there actually 2^30 keys being tested? Any help would be appreciated. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 21:46:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA00987 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA00982 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu(198.82.160.250) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000980; Sat, 12 Apr 97 21:46:21 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA22400 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abischof.campus.vt.edu (abischof.campus.vt.edu [198.82.88.56]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26077 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970412215427.009d9e20@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: abischof@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:54:27 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Alex Bischoff Subject: Re: complimentary keys vs. k/sec In-Reply-To: <199704130143.VAA02330@rock.me.mtu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 09:43 PM 4/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >the client reports 2^29 complimentary keys, are there >actually 2^30 keys being tested? Yup. Just add one to get the actual # of bits. Alex - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - mailto:abischof@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/A/abischof/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- | export-a-crypto-system-sig RSA-3-lines-PERL | | #!/bin/perl -sp0777i http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 23:36:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01158 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01153 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001151; Sat, 12 Apr 97 23:36:04 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA24105 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:43:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199704130343.XAA24105@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall" Subject: Completion time oversight Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:42:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates of the completion time for this thing is that students go home for the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it should pick up again in September. Try and model that with an exponential graph! Scott McIntyre ------------ smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu DES Rutgers - http://nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu From owner-deschall Sat Apr 12 23:55:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01204 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01199 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: drew@sml.co.jp Received: from smlgw.sml.co.jp(192.51.189.66) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001197; Sat, 12 Apr 97 23:55:27 -0400 Received: from belldandy.sml.co.jp (skuld.sml.co.jp [192.168.100.161]) by mx.sml.co.jp (8.7.5+2.6Wbeta6/3.4W-SML2) with SMTP id NAA26456 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:02:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199704130402.NAA26456@mx.sml.co.jp> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Completion time oversight In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:42:10 -0400" <199704130343.XAA24105@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Reply-To: drew@sml.co.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:07:01 +0900 X-Mailer: WeMail32[1.40] ID:Unregistered Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk 1997/04/12 23:42:10 -0400に"Scott McIntyre" さんに頂いた 「Completion time oversight」への返事です。 >One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home for >the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will >probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it should >pick up again in September. I dunno. I think that with a lot less students using up University Computer resources for real work, that will leave a lot more CPU cycles free for DES-cracking. Besides, looking at the stats, it would appear that a lot of the CPU work is coming from corporations and ISP's, so those certainly shouldn't drop off during the summer. -- Drew Hamilton -- drew@sml.co.jp -- http://www.drew-hamilton.net/ 「すべての動物は平等である。しかし、ある動物は、ほかのものよりも もっと平等である。」 From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 00:19:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01248 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01243 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001241; Sun, 13 Apr 97 00:19:24 -0400 Received: from darkwing.stu.rpi.edu (darkwing.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.162.187]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA55708; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: <33506032.FAA64BE5@rpi.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:25:22 -0400 From: Brian Osman Reply-To: osmanb@acm.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: drew@sml.co.jp CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Completion time oversight X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199704130402.NAA26456@mx.sml.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk drew@sml.co.jp wrote: > > I dunno. I think that with a lot less students using up University > Computer resources for real work, that will leave a lot more CPU > cycles free for DES-cracking. Besides, looking at the stats, it would > appear that a lot of the CPU work is coming from corporations and > ISP's, so those certainly shouldn't drop off during the summer. > > -- > Drew Hamilton -- drew@sml.co.jp -- http://www.drew-hamilton.net/ Sorry, but he's absolutely, correct. We're going to take a huge hit in progress come summer. Speaking as one of the coordinators at RPI, 99% of the work being done here is on student-owned machines on the Dorm-ethernet. The Pentium code is optimized to no-end and puts the UNIX based code to shame, mainly for that reason. Besides, many schools don't like the students taking over the lab machines for this sort of thing. (I got my hand slapped.) Additionally, even if we were all going to magically stop using the computers, it also becomes just as difficult to leave it running on the school computers if we're not here... Finally, I don't know if you've actually looked at the stats, but to say that lots of CPU work is coming from .com .net sites would seem just plain wrong: 4060456*2^20 275 orst.EDU. 3152296*2^20 117 rpi.EDU. 1891744*2^20 1 anonymous2.anonymous. 1566992*2^20 91 mtu.EDU. 1415752*2^20 197 ohio-state.EDU. 1299424*2^20 61 rit.EDU. 1115576*2^20 164 byu.EDU. 1008600*2^20 39 wpi.EDU. 738312*2^20 14 apsydev.com. 738304*2^20 27 duke.EDU. 689864*2^20 27 msu.EDU. 678912*2^20 11 ucdavis.EDU. 674048*2^20 28 tjhsst.EDU. That's 11 out of the top 13!!! Many keys. Be afraid, be very afraid. Brian From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 10:55:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA02555 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA02550 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghidrah.rs.itd.umich.edu(141.211.83.26) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002548; Sun, 13 Apr 97 10:55:03 -0400 Received: from carrp by ghidrah.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.5/2.2) id LAA21710; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704131502.LAA21710@ghidrah.rs.itd.umich.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0603.0 From: "Pat Carr" To: "Deschall" , "Scott McIntyre" Subject: Re: Completion time oversight Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:01:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC47FA.1228EF80" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0603.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC47FA.1228EF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home for >the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will >probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it should >pick up again in September. >Try and model that with an exponential graph! This is going to be a very serious problem unless we can find a solution = (if there is a solution). Of the top 20 domains, at least 14 are .edu = (possibly as high as 17). Those 14 domains contain about 61-62% of the = total DESCHALL clients. Since it is impossible to stop students from = coming home from school, we must either make an effort to get lab = computers involved or get more .com and .net domains, or both. Patrick Carr carrp@umich.edu ------=_NextPart_000_01BC47FA.1228EF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


    >One thing that has been completely = ignored in all=20 the estimates
    >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home = for
    >the summer in about a month.  When that happens the curve = will
    >probably stop rising and might even start to fall.  Then it = should
    >pick up again in September.

    >Try and model that with an exponential graph!

    This is going to be a very serious problem unless we = can find a=20 solution (if there is a solution). Of the top 20 domains, at least 14 = are .edu=20 (possibly as high as 17). Those 14 domains contain about 61-62% of the = total=20 DESCHALL clients. Since it is impossible to stop students from coming = home from=20 school, we must either make an effort to get lab computers involved or = get more=20 .com and .net domains, or both.

    Patrick Carr

    carrp@umich.edu

    ------=_NextPart_000_01BC47FA.1228EF80-- From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 11:17:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02597 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02592 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002590; Sun, 13 Apr 97 11:17:28 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id LAA07234; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007226; Sun, 13 Apr 97 11:23:47 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15964; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704131523.LAA15964@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Pat Carr" Cc: "Deschall" , "Scott McIntyre" Subject: Re: Completion time oversight In-Reply-To: <199704131502.LAA21710@ghidrah.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <199704131502.LAA21710@ghidrah.rs.itd.umich.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Pat" == Pat Carr writes: Pat> This is going to be a very serious problem unless we can find a Pat> solution (if there is a solution). Of the top 20 domains, at Pat> least 14 are .edu (possibly as high as 17). Those 14 domains Pat> contain about 61-62% of the total DESCHALL clients. Since it is Pat> impossible to stop students from coming home from school, we must Pat> either make an effort to get lab computers involved or get more Pat> .com and .net domains, or both. I think we should do all of the above. * Getting hand optimized clients for other architectures (i.e., SPARC) would be especially useful, so that lab computers that do get involved and can crank all summer can have reasonable results. * Making more people (.edu and non-.edu folks alike) aware of the project, and motivated to help. We seem to be doing well in terms of getting more folks to participate, but we should be encouraging those who join us to encourage others to join us... One recommendation that has not yet been made, but would be useful, is making local ISPs aware of our efforts, perhaps forwarding them the press release, and even asking that they put it up (or link to it) from their web sites, or sending it via email to their users. * Code is in the works to make folks behind firewalls more easily able to participate, without requiring tweaks to the firewall (i.e., opening up ACLs on routers, adding udprelay to bastion hosts, etc.) I'm testing the stuff right now, and the one who did the real work on it can announce it when it's done. :-) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft, Inc. cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 11:18:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02612 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02607 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu(130.132.21.199) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002605; Sun, 13 Apr 97 11:17:45 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.31]) by mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21813 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from josquin (josquin.pc.yale.edu [130.132.173.83]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18692 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:24:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC47FD.481BF120@jensen.harris@yale.edu> From: Jensen Harris To: "Deschall (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Completion time oversight Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:24:41 -0400 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4004 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sunday, April 13, 1997 11:02 AM, Pat Carr [SMTP:carrp@umich.edu] wrote: > > >One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates > >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home for > >the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will > >probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it should > >pick up again in September. > > >Try and model that with an exponential graph! > > This is going to be a very serious problem unless we can find a solution (if > there is a solution). Of the top 20 domains, at least 14 are .edu (possibly > as high as 17). Those 14 domains contain about 61-62% of the total DESCHALL > clients. Since it is impossible to stop students from coming home from > school, we must either make an effort to get lab computers involved or get > more .com and .net domains, or both. Add yale.edu to the list...notice in the stats today that yale.edu enters the top 20, knocking out baxter.com (well, you actually have to add YALE.EDU and yale.edu--I have no idea why three of my computers are showing up as YALE.EDU and the rest lowercase...) And that's just computers I'm responsible for so far. I haven't yet "done my thing" to get students involved... Jensen From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 11:28:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02634 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02629 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002627; Sun, 13 Apr 97 11:27:53 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA25329 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:35:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA28917 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:35:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Completion time oversight In-Reply-To: <33506032.FAA64BE5@rpi.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Brian Osman wrote: > Sorry, but he's absolutely, correct. We're going to take a huge hit > in progress come summer. Possible solution: Find a graduate student to take care of using university lab machines. We have no lives, and are generally stuck here during the summer. :-) OSU's stats will, if anything, jump from the current levels. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | SPAM and Tang dinner. Spam Haiku... | Meal most feared by astronauts. | "Open the trash, HAL." From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 11:33:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02656 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02651 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b426wfee-1.nursing.msu.edu(35.8.144.96) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002649; Sun, 13 Apr 97 11:33:09 -0400 Received: (from hagmanti@localhost) by hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14853 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:40:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199704131540.LAA14853@hagmanti.nursing.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Completion time oversight To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:40:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Dolske" at Apr 13, 97 11:35:02 am From: "Timothy C. Hagman" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Justin Dolske penned, off the top of the head: > Possible solution: Find a graduate student to take care of using > university lab machines. We have no lives, and are generally stuck here > during the summer. :-) OSU's stats will, if anything, jump from the > current levels. Actually, you don't even have to hook a grad student into it. MSU will be in the same boat. Me, now with working parallelizing code, and looking to improve it... -- Disclaimer: Anything I said, writ, or thought in my life should not necessarily be held or thought to imply any view, opinion, or idea of mine, any organization I have chosen to associate with, or those people who choose to associate with me. - hagmanti@pilot.msu.edu From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 12:16:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02723 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02718 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca(198.164.200.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002716; Sun, 13 Apr 97 12:15:32 -0400 Received: from fctnts05c05.nbnet.nb.ca ([207.179.133.11]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11373) with SMTP id AAA27290 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:22:45 -0300 From: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca (Jeff Gilchrist) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Completion time oversight Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:22:39 GMT Organization: ViperTECH Systems Reply-To: Jeff Gilchrist Message-ID: <33580209.95393177@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <199704131502.LAA21710@ghidrah.rs.itd.umich.edu> <199704131523.LAA15964@goffette.research.megasoft.com> In-Reply-To: <199704131523.LAA15964@goffette.research.megasoft.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT), C Matthew Curtin wrote: > I think we should do all of the above. > > * Getting hand optimized clients for other architectures (i.e., > SPARC) would be especially useful, so that lab computers that do > get involved and can crank all summer can have reasonable results. That would be great to have an assembler optimised version for the Sparc. I will be leaving my University for the summer but the Sparc systems that I have running will be accessible to me through the net so I can keep them processing all summer. I am using some old Sparc IPX, Sparc 5's, Sparc 20, Sparc 1000 Server, and Sparc Ultras. If the deschall client was assembler optimised like the Intel version, those machines would crack out some serious key crunching. Regards, -- -= JEFF GILCHRIST =- University of New Brunswick, Canada E-mail: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Computer Science Co-op PGP Key ID : 1C3A5801 * PGP Key Available On Request * Fingerprint: A0 16 46 B9 80 B6 5E 7D 2F E9 60 13 6A D9 0B 66 +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | For the latest copy of the ARCHIVE COMPARISON TEST (A.C.T.): | | WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/4264/act.html | | FTP: ftp.simtel.net /pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/actest27.zip | | FINGER: s0b8@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 12:39:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02755 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02750 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002748; Sun, 13 Apr 97 12:38:45 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06788; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14862; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id MAA22497; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:45:34 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id MAA10635; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704131645.MAA10635@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Completion time oversight To: jeffg@nbnet.nb.ca Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) In-Reply-To: <33580209.95393177@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> from Jeff Gilchrist at "Apr 13, 97 04:22:39 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > * Getting hand optimized clients for other architectures (i.e., > > SPARC) would be especially useful, so that lab computers that do > > get involved and can crank all summer can have reasonable results. I think that this is very important also. Most of the labs on mtu's campus are Sparcs and are currently running deschal. But, the performance is terrible. A quad 90 machine is running at the same speed as a Pentium 200. Most other schools also are running very large sun labs. An optimized client would really improve the quantity of keys checked. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 15:45:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03124 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03119 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003117; Sun, 13 Apr 97 15:45:20 -0400 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9V7H>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:55:38 -0700 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D157092910136D@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: Deschall Subject: RE: Completion time oversight Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:55:36 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home >for >the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will >probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it >should >pick up again in September. I guess we're lucky, but most of our progress is actually being made on school lab computers. We'll actually get fast once summer starts and most of the business department heads home. I'm also talking to one of my engineering professors about getting some support, so we can tell tech support to stop killing or processes... (Congrats to RPI for getting into first for a day--too bad we got our problems fixed and brought the lab back on-line... :) - --- Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1E5hRSmwqZasiJdAQF7jgP+PMdC96T79Ga837MpjcoySnPzmOXbauTc XZwb1mzEMEg8YXq6rvs2GMScUwgDXi+zNkJbDGWObC39htCqwQxmpzkQRVQ3suZV 3Gw4MvaX6sk8PdZjobRIQhwnGmfbJf2yIRICz3NnD7ExPGyvJX7o9NrxKim5EzpS lGu+sHu5WFg= =1KSM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 17:34:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03327 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03322 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redhook.llnl.gov(128.115.116.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003320; Sun, 13 Apr 97 17:33:49 -0400 Received: by redhook.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.20) id AA05701; Sun, 13 Apr 97 14:41:02 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Apr 97 14:41:02 PDT From: runge@redhook.llnl.gov (Karl J. Runge) Message-Id: <9704132141.AA05701@redhook.llnl.gov> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Completion time oversight In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Adam Haberlach ' dated: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:55:36 -0700 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > >One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates > >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home for > >the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will > >probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it should > >pick up again in September. We are in a phenomenal rate of growth the past 3-4 days: 20-25% *per day* If the exponential growth model doesn't bust, from fitting over the last 4 days, we'd be 1/2 done on Wed May 7, and all the way done Sun May 11 with 289080 and 643500 hosts, respectively. Yow! It will be very interesting to see how "elastic" the current Internet is to this sort of project. Can it get that high or will we hit "the wall"??? Even fitting over the last 10 days, that has a "modest" 10% growth per day, shows us 1/2 way thru the keyspace on Sun May 25, and done within a week after that. (160K and 330K hosts, resp.) So we just might BE DONE BEFORE Summer vacation. Keep watching ... and keep spreading the word! =========================================================================== An important issue is will the keyserver be ready for such high rates??? As far as "competing" with the other groups, it may make the difference to avoid server drag that turns people away to other groups. I note that DES violation ( http://www.des.violation.net/ ) is at about 186 million keys / sec and the SolNET group ( http://www.des.sollentuna.se ) is at 195 million keys / sec. We're at 530 million keys /sec, but if you combine the two other groups they just about equal our production. Best, Karl PS if anyone want's my perl script that does the least square fitting to Rocke's desstat.htm page just ask. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge If you don't reinvent the wheel every now and then (510)-516-7127 how do you know for sure you can invent anything? From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 17:39:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03345 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03340 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net(198.175.15.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003338; Sun, 13 Apr 97 17:39:30 -0400 Received: from mikes.dfw.net (PPP35.fortworth.dfw.net) by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12292; Sun, 13 Apr 97 16:47:30 CDT Message-Id: <9704132147.AA12292@ dfw.dfw.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Smith" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:46:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: PR release Reply-To: mikes@dfw.net X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Could somebody send me the address for the press release again? Thanks. Mike ------=====+=====------ Help crack DES!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm Michael Smith Fort Worth, TX mailto://mikes@dfw.net http://www.dfw.net/~mikes KC5HZS From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 18:13:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03407 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03402 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu(141.219.151.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003400; Sun, 13 Apr 97 18:13:01 -0400 Received: from matrix.resnet.mtu.edu (matrix.resnet.mtu.edu [141.219.81.246]) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23758 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:20:13 -0400 Message-ID: <33515CBF.3714@ThePentagon.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:22:55 -0400 From: Matrix Reply-To: Matrix@ThePentagon.Com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Completion time oversight References: <9704132141.AA05701@redhook.llnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Karl J. Runge wrote: > > > >One thing that has been completely ignored in all the estimates > > >of the completion time for this thing is that students go home for > > >the summer in about a month. When that happens the curve will > > >probably stop rising and might even start to fall. Then it should > > >pick up again in September. > > We are in a phenomenal rate of growth the past 3-4 days: 20-25% *per day* > > If the exponential growth model doesn't bust, from fitting over the last > 4 days, we'd be 1/2 done on Wed May 7, and all the way done Sun May 11 > with 289080 and 643500 hosts, respectively. Yow! > > It will be very interesting to see how "elastic" the current Internet is > to this sort of project. Can it get that high or will we hit "the wall"??? Well, that growth in the past 3-4 days has been mainly due to stuff going on over here at MTU... a bunch of us here have been spreading the word, and setting up scripts on all the lab computers.. in these few days, we went from 5 unique hosts and 24th place, to 132 unique hosts and 3rd place.. This booming expantion is limited though, and I exspect it to level out or at least slow down in about a week or so... We're currently on an effort to run the scripts on the remaining computer labs, and myself and many others have been convincing many other students to start crackin' away on thier nice fast pentiums... but still, the growth is going to slow within a few weeks.. So I suppose this is a message to anyone out there that doesn't have thier entire university cracking DES.. all it takes is a few messages on newsgroups, and a little effort on your part. Here at MTU, in 2 days, we had an offical web page whipped up by Matt Jachimstal, and Tom Schumm (aka Phong) had a a perl script and a ftp site all ready for us to send our log files to, for a web page that would calculate local statistics here at MTU. I was amazed at how much we had done in so little time.. not just cracking codes, but everything else as well.. > So we just might BE DONE BEFORE Summer vacation. Keep watching ... and keep > spreading the word! So yeah.. definatly keep spreading the word.. it just takes a lil push to get the ball rolling, and soon it'll take on a life of it's own.. -Matrix From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 18:19:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03434 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03429 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu(198.82.160.250) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003427; Sun, 13 Apr 97 18:19:08 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA11881 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abischof.campus.vt.edu (abischof.campus.vt.edu [198.82.88.56]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09263 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970413182701.00a0f100@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: abischof@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:27:01 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Alex Bischoff Subject: Re: PR release In-Reply-To: <9704132147.AA12292@ dfw.dfw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 04:46 PM 4/13/97 -0600, you wrote: >Could somebody send me the address for the press release again? Here: http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/deschall-announce.html Alex - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - mailto:abischof@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/A/abischof/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- | export-a-crypto-system-sig RSA-3-lines-PERL | | #!/bin/perl -sp0777i http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 18:47:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03492 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03485 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net(198.175.15.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003481; Sun, 13 Apr 97 18:47:20 -0400 Received: from mikes.dfw.net (PPP35.fortworth.dfw.net) by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19621; Sun, 13 Apr 97 17:55:19 CDT Message-Id: <9704132255.AA19621@ dfw.dfw.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Smith" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:54:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: PR releases Reply-To: mikes@dfw.net X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have contacted Scientific American Online, Discovery Online, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the Dallas Morning News, and a few mailing lists that I am on. Mike ------=====+=====------ Help crack DES!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm Michael Smith Fort Worth, TX mailto://mikes@dfw.net http://www.dfw.net/~mikes KC5HZS From owner-deschall Sun Apr 13 22:51:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04000 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA03995 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goodall.u.washington.edu(140.142.12.163) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003993; Sun, 13 Apr 97 22:51:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (mheroux@localhost) by goodall.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW96.12/8.8.4+UW97.03) with SMTP id TAA38684 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:58:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Heroux" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Some random thoughts... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hey fellow CPU-hogs :) Sorry if this thread has been covered in the past, but I think people working on the DES Violation Group are attracted to it because the statistics are so detailed... *PLUS* you can gain recognition by attaching your e-mail address to the work you did. For example, at my university (U of Washington), we have thousands of computers that could theoretically work on this project.. But so many are interested in the recognition, that just being a number under the washington.edu domain distracts them... So, in conclusion, I think we could get MORE people interested in the project if we offered some better statistics.. and offered a way to "register" the keys that your machines processed. One more thought.. We have a bunch of alpha-based clusters running OSF1.. Are these machines even worth getting a client compiled.. ? I must also add that I really appreciate all the feedback this list gives... Its really a change from the other lists Im on. I would also be MORE than happy to volunteer some HTML skills to spice up our pages. We're doing a great job - lets not let the momentum slow down. --mike From owner-deschall Mon Apr 14 12:19:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07669 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07664 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007661; Mon, 14 Apr 97 12:19:15 -0400 Received: from lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (lung.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.12]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA24137 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:26:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by lung.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id MAA01459 for