From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:22:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14500 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14495 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net(165.87.201.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014493; Thu, 1 May 97 00:21:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out2.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA40128 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:30:07 GMT Message-Id: <199705010430.EAA40128@out2.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-107-83.ct.us.ibm.net(166.72.107.83) by out2.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smab5ACzR; Thu May 1 04:30:01 1997 From: "Joe Phillips" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 00:28:31 Reply-To: "Joe Phillips" X-Mailer: Joe Phillips's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux (fwd) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:28:53 -0400, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: >At 10:22 PM 4/30/97 -0400, ITS ME DAMN IT wrote: >> >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:10:47 -0400 (EDT) >>From: ITS ME DAMN IT >>To: deschall@keymaster.megasoft.com >>Subject: Linux >> >>does anybody see a problem with running 4 clients at the same time >>on a linux box >>p200 with a 128 megs of ram >>other than pushing the load average up >>maybe confusing the key server might be a problem > >What would be the motivation to do that? You're not going to turn any more >keys that way...if you run 4, each of the 4 will just run at 1/4 the speed >of a single instance running by itself. I think it would work and not >cause any problems...there's just not any reason to do it. The ONLY motivation I could see for doing this on a single processor machine, other than for experimentation, would be to be able to claim more than one key block at a time. since each client would run slower, and the size of the key block searched is determined by time to search it, the number of total keys checked out by a given machine would be roughly the same (assuming little or no penalty for context switching) but spread out evenly across all clients. The end result would at best be a bunch of smaller key blocks that are likely to be discontiguous. given that context switching takes up time, and is said to be relatively expensive, I'd say the more clients you run, the fewer total keys your machine will check in a second. your best bet (statistically) would seem to be going with one client per processor. Does this sound right? I'm only coming from the angle of how an OS/2 client would work in this situation, unix will probably be at least a little different. I am not familiar with 'nice', so maybe running multiple, unix clients with nice would work differently. In any case, the big difference will most likely be searching multiple keyspaces at once (but most likely slower and in smaller chunks.) I'll have to boot linux now and check out the nice man pages... l8r, joe phillips jaiger@ibm.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2f/zm95QNP63TklAQH+jgQAlTFu1nM29aDgulCAWOLbuc7SX0iPRRAa d4sNmSUeu6ZygHnMT9sf0F+kJVYX6S4d9lmBRIZ0YJL7IzAiZ58u5mv1OxZ0onyW TEARYciitBs+hM/aOfdfqe/+raPirRvI0RpkiImtwDDBzPn85a9DQQdvJQG6Kx7k w9cvn0iNYMs= =9xxt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:23:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14508 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14503 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014501; Thu, 1 May 97 00:23:00 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA11443; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:31:48 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199705010431.VAA11443@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Re: Export laws revisited To: zudark@mit.edu (Ethan M. O'Connor) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:31:47 -3100 (PDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970430230747.00a8f270@po7.mit.edu> from "Ethan M. O'Connor" at Apr 30, 97 11:07:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > This is all pretty much moot until we consult > a lawyer, but if someone wants to go ahead and > take whatever risk there is in making the client > internationally available, the following section > from the export comment (available on Rocke's page) > might be of some encouragement: > So it seems like current export guidelines are based not on the ideas > conveyed, but on encryption functionality. Since the clients distributions > are just binary which can't do anything but participate in this search, > even if someone extracted the algortithm from the machine code, that > would just be "informational or theoretical value" and ... > > Opinions? Look, guys, the ITAR/EAR restrictions are based on some pretty weird stuff. Since we're dealing with foreign soil, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights DO NOT APPLY. EAR is NOT a law. It's an administrative directive. Basically, it means whatever the enforcing agencies BELIEVE it means. No one has (to my knowledge) ever been prosecuted for exporting crypto under the ITAR/EAR (Phil Zimmerman was persecuted and investigated, but never CHARGED). But many people have been visited by men in trenchcoats and mirrored sunglasses and told that they'd BETTER take that crypto software off their ftp sites, or Uncle Sam will be VERY pissed off. When you get to the point where exporting an IDEA to a friend outside of the U.S. borders is illegal, we've gone WAY past logic. Trying to poke logical holes in the ITAR/EAR regulations is a waste of time. My opinion. You asked. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:49:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14604 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14599 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014597; Thu, 1 May 97 00:49:10 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA26620 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:57:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199705010457.AAA26620@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall List" Subject: Nice Shutdown in Win95 - Solved! Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:57:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like most win95 solutions, this is pretty involved so just stick with me... What you need to create is a PIF file. This holds relevant settings for your dos programs (like deschal). Go to the Start Menu in explorer and copy the DOS Prompt shortcut somewhere convenient. Then change its properties to those of deschal. The relevant ones are on the program tab (make sure you enter the keymaster in command line), and on the misc. tab. One the misc. tab, there is checkbox under Termination that says "Warn if still active". Uncheck this and hit OK. Now this shortcut should run deschal so that you can close like any other windows program. You can click the close button on the upper right, and it should shut down automagically when your computer shuts down. No more CTRL-Cs! OTOH, the attached PIF should also work (with a little editing). Hope this works for you. Scott McIntyre ------------ smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu DES Rutgers - http://nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu - Break the Code ------=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Deschall.pif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Deschall.pif" AHhERVNDSEFMNSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICCAAgAAQzpcUHJvZ3JhbSBGaWxlc1xkZXNc REVTQ0hBTDUuRVhFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEABDOlxQcm9ncmFtIEZp bGVzXGRlc1wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa2V5bWFz dGVyLnZlcnNlci5mcmlpLmNvbQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAABAP8ZUAAABwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATUlDUk9TT0ZUIFBJRkVYAIcBAABxAVdJTkRPV1Mg Mzg2IDMuMAAFAp0BaACAAgAAZAAyAP//AAD//wAAChASAB8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa2V5 bWFzdGVyLnZlcnNlci5mcmlpLmNvbQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAFdJTkRPV1MgVk1NIDQuMAD//xsCrAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA UElGTUdSLkRMTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIAAAAAAAAAAAAAADIAAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAUA GQADAMgA6AMCAAoAAQAAAAAAAAAcAAAAAAAAAAYACwBUZXJtaW5hbAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAENvdXJpZXIgTmV3AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAAUAAZAOQBMAHsAWcB FgAAAAEA//////z//P8+ACkAKgKQAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAA== ------=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0-- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:59:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14649 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14644 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marauder.randomc.com(205.160.20.86) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014642; Thu, 1 May 97 00:59:11 -0400 Received: from marauder.randomc.com (marauder.randomc.com [100.100.100.5]) by marauder.randomc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11547; Thu, 1 May 1997 01:03:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:03:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ITS ME DAMN IT To: Adam Haberlach cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Linux (fwd) In-Reply-To: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929127406@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > ObAnswerToQuestionThat'sBeenAnsweredSixTimes: Only run one > process unless you're running on a multiprocessor system. One > Deschall process will fill the processor because it has no > hardware interaction (except for printing the occasional period) > to cause it to be in a state that does not require the > processor. Two deschall processes will cause > competition--swapping back and forth, and getting slightly less > then 1/2 of a proc each (slightly less is caused by the > switching action itself). ok that answered that real quick like im not actually doing it i was just wondering what the system would do if it happened yes linux handles very well even better then my Ultra Sparc(SMP) that cost 25,000 ok yall have fun > > > - --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBM2gWaBSmwqZasiJdAQHMCgP/Z5tVK5NkXSxRAyCmCeO1L30YJga26yKq > t8P5DQHL5U+FR6R8xHBeIJC/1GGH8xqMbz535LMeU89WNMtsQ04Ey3b/MJhRPzve > OofaZe1wNM6NzNcSGSnIc7yHp2vIDLlS66yK5q4XXZDFIgLIqkap3uHoWndJBN1V > X8QdoEyKFTI= > =Wk1f > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 02:51:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15257 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15252 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015250; Thu, 1 May 97 02:51:04 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24641 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 01:59:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705010659.BAA24641@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 01:55:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OS/2 Clients Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd note that we should expect quite a few more people to join in in the next couple of days - I posted my web page to the comp.os.os2.announce newsgroup and already have a few reports of people throwing multiple machines at the problem. Hopefully someone who has a few hundred machines at their disposal will join in. I tried to talk some folks into it last night on #OS/2, one in particulart had 15 machines, but said he wouldn't do it if anyone made money on the deal - he wanted the entire 10k to got to gnu. Sigh. Even w/o him, we should get some publicity (but I wish I could've talked him into throwing his 2 dual PPro 200 machines at the problem...). Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 02:54:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15272 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15267 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au(134.148.24.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015265; Thu, 1 May 97 02:54:35 -0400 Received: from uucp-gateway by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.1-8 #21152) id <0E9HQ6L010037H@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:01:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (kastlore.hna.com.au [200.90.1.36]) by praetor.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12782 for ; Thu, 01 May 1997 15:30:30 +1000 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:37:45 +1000 From: Andrew Glazebrook Subject: Deschall Outside of North America To: DES Challange Mailing List Reply-to: Andrew Glazebrook Message-id: <199705010530.PAA12782@praetor.hna.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Andrew Glazebrook's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America if anyone wants to visit it or add a link to it. Only the intel versions of deschall are available for download, but I doubt that will adversly affect anyone :-). The page can be found at http://www.aljan.com.au/~k2 From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 03:29:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15361 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15356 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015354; Thu, 1 May 97 03:29:19 -0400 Received: from swsip1-06.ionet.net (swsip1-06.ionet.net [207.204.108.16]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA28924 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:37:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705010737.CAA28924@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "DES Challange Mailing List" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 02:34:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 1997 16:37:45 +1000, Andrew Glazebrook wrote: >Hi. > > I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America if >anyone wants to visit it or add a link to it. Only the intel versions of >deschall are available for download, but I doubt that will adversly affect >anyone :-). The page can be found at http://www.aljan.com.au/~k2 Now we need to recruit the Solnet people. The OS/2 ones won't be hard to get - Solnet doesn't have an OS/2 client. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 03:41:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15402 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15397 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gs213.sp.cs.cmu.edu(128.2.209.183) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015395; Thu, 1 May 97 03:41:46 -0400 Received: by GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04856; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9705010750.AA04856@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darrell Kindred To: DES Challenge Mailing List Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: <199705010530.PAA12782@praetor.hna.com.au> References: <199705010530.PAA12782@praetor.hna.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Andrew Glazebrook writes: > I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America > [...] I think this is a bad idea. It seems quite possible to me that it will cause trouble for Rocke personally and/or the DESCHALL effort as a whole. Many of us hope to influence U.S. export policy through this contest, and I don't think it's going to help our case if the contest participants get portrayed as smugglers. If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. We're all working toward the same goal. - Darrell From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 04:28:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA15511 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA15506 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.cc.umr.edu(131.151.1.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015504; Thu, 1 May 97 04:28:15 -0400 Received: from saucer.cc.umr.edu (saucer.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.58]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.5/R.4.20) id DAA24825; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:36:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from (starling@localhost) by saucer.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id DAA13099; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:36:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Subject: Newbie Questions... To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:36:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Starling" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just joined and I have a few questions. I appologize if these have already been discussed, as I'm still looking through the list archives. 1) Would it be possible to make linux boot disks that boot a machine and load the necesary stuff into a RAM disk so that the machine would automatically run the client until a given time and then reboot? If so, I might be able to comandeer a computer lab full of P200s. 2) Lets say your machine takes 30 minutes to run 2^28 key pairs, however this is a dialup machine. Lets say you only want to dial up once every 12 hours. Would it be possible to run 24 instances of the linux client, thereby grabbing off 24 key sequence hunks (or whatever they're called) and then have it complete all 24 in time for the dialup? To be on the safe side, you might want to run 23 to make sure that the context switching didn't eat into your time and throw everything out of whack. I was thinking of doing this on a smaller scale (like running 2 or 4 at a time), rather than dialing in every 30 minutes This would be to get around an idle-timeout disconnect "feature" on our dialup without having to hog the dialup. Or is there some way I can get my client to grab a larger number of keys to try? 3) Is it worth it to put any 386-class machines onto this? I have a few 386s sitting around idle where I work that could crank away at their little pace 24/7. Or would they somehow tie up the server or not contribute enough to bother setting up with linux? 4) What's the best way to keep track of your logs on a unix machine? Since the client doesn't close the file until the client exits, I presume that you can't mail the output unless you exit the client occasionally, right? 5) What text can I grep for on the very odd chance that a machine of mine finds the solution? From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 05:44:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA15851 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 05:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA15846 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 05:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015844; Thu, 1 May 97 05:44:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA01394 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:53:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 04:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Starling wrote: >4) What's the best way to keep track of your logs on a unix machine? > Since the client doesn't close the file until the client exits, > I presume that you can't mail the output unless you exit the client > occasionally, right? deschall keymaster.verser.frii.com | tee -a deschall.output & set desPID=$! When you want to email the entire output file: kill -STOP $desPID echo "" >> deschall.output cat deschall.output | mail -s "output as of `date`" kill -CONT $desPID I don't believe you can do anything but add to the output file while the program is running or you loose any further data. To begin a new output file I think you need to completely kill deschall first, move/delete the file, and restart deschall anew afterward. Some of the other DES Challenge groups have added the feature to their clients that a kill -SIGHUP will cause the client to finish its current block of keys and then exit. Any chance we could get that feature? -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 06:22:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15955 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15950 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015948; Thu, 1 May 97 06:22:27 -0400 Received: (from insect@localhost) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) id GAA16695; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:33:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 06:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: andrew meggs To: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer) wrote: > > Some of the other DES Challenge groups have added the feature to their > clients that a kill -SIGHUP will cause the client to finish its current > block of keys and then exit. Any chance we could get that feature? > I just added it. Pending Rocke's blessing, it might be able to make its way into the real distribution. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 07:17:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16145 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16140 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016138; Thu, 1 May 97 07:17:20 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA462759 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:40 GMT Message-Id: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-3-94.il.us.ibm.net(166.72.3.94) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smalpMDM2; Thu May 1 11:25:30 1997 From: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 07:25:38 Reply-To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" X-Mailer: Stephanie van Iwaarden's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Status report and 0.9 years Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have been watching the status report for the last five of days and we have been sitting at about 0.9 years with around 107409238392832 keys per day. This has been true in spite of the number of machines increasing by at least 25% (who knows how many machines are behind some of the gateways) over the last five days. Any guesses as to why our key rate is not around 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of really slow machines joining in? --Ron o Ronald Van Iwaarden | Work to live; /\ Hope College | Live to bike; _`\ `_<=== Holland MI 49423 | Bike to work! __(_)/_(_)___.-._ voice : (616)355-7120 | http://www.cs.hope.edu/~rvaniwaa/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 08:03:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16372 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16367 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.usorder.com(204.4.28.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016365; Thu, 1 May 97 08:03:50 -0400 Received: (from shutdown@localhost) by fw.usorder.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) id IAA15716 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:31:02 -0400 Received: from reddog.intelidata.com(192.168.40.1) by fw.usorder.com via smap (V2.0beta) id xma015714; Thu, 1 May 97 08:30:38 -0400 Received: from distribution.usorder.com by usorder.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17905; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:09:06 -0400 Received: from totoro.usorder.com by distribution.usorder.com (8.6.12/ADD-KEV-4.1) id GAA06643; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:09:32 -0600 Received: by totoro.usorder.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5607.5B2F0820@totoro.usorder.com>; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC5607.5B2F0820@totoro.usorder.com> From: Shaun Stuart To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:11:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've finally got my firewall problems straightened out (thanks to those = that helped me!) and now my Pentium-166 at work joins my 486-66 at home = in the search. I do have one question about this effort in general - How does the = program know when the correct key has been found? Presumably, if someone = were trying keys by hand, they'd look at the output and, if it was = unreadable, they'd know it wasn't the right key. But how does a program = decide? Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 08:19:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16424 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16419 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com(129.197.2.20) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016417; Thu, 1 May 97 08:19:37 -0400 Received: from swflantdns by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id FAA01932; Thu, 1 May 1997 05:27:29 -0700 Received: from swfmail (swfmail.swflant.lmsc.lockheed.com [155.189.1.143]) by swflantdns (SMI-8.6/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA08556 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:32:23 -0400 Received: by swfmail with Microsoft Mail id <3368B522@swfmail>; Thu, 01 May 97 08:22:10 PDT From: "Zuschlag, Fred N." <694047@swfmail.swflant.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: FW: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 01 May 97 08:21:00 PDT Message-ID: <3368B522@swfmail> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Because the way RSA setup the challenge, the data begins with a known pattern. Fred.Zuschlag@lmco.com ---------- From: owner-deschall-announce[SMTP:owner-deschall-announce@gatekeeper.megasoft. com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 8:11 AM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Just how does it know? I've finally got my firewall problems straightened out (thanks to those = that helped me!) and now my Pentium-166 at work joins my 486-66 at home = in the search. I do have one question about this effort in general - How does the = program know when the correct key has been found? Presumably, if someone = were trying keys by hand, they'd look at the output and, if it was = unreadable, they'd know it wasn't the right key. But how does a program = decide? Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 08:40:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16576 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16571 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016568; Thu, 1 May 97 08:40:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21016 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:48:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: <01BC5607.5B2F0820@totoro.usorder.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Shaun Stuart wrote: > >I do have one question about this effort in general - How does the >program know when the correct key has been found? Presumably, if someone >were trying keys by hand, they'd look at the output and, if it was >unreadable, they'd know it wasn't the right key. But how does a program >decide? >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase "The unknown message is: ". If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be the right key. -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 09:27:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17158 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17153 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.usorder.com(204.4.28.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017151; Thu, 1 May 97 09:26:48 -0400 Received: (from shutdown@localhost) by fw.usorder.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) id JAA18480 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:54:03 -0400 Received: from reddog.intelidata.com(192.168.40.1) by fw.usorder.com via smap (V2.0beta) id xma018476; Thu, 1 May 97 09:54:00 -0400 Received: from distribution.usorder.com by usorder.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA20215; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:32:25 -0400 Received: from totoro.usorder.com by distribution.usorder.com (8.6.12/ADD-KEV-4.1) id HAA06871; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:32:52 -0600 Received: by totoro.usorder.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com>; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:35:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> From: Shaun Stuart To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: RE: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:35:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: > For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by > three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase > "The unknown message is: ". >If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be >the right key. Oh yeah.. Duh! :-) I guess sometimes it's easy to fire off a message than to think things through. I hang my head in shame. Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 09:53:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17587 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17576 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017570; Thu, 1 May 97 09:52:46 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id KAA29928; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029923; Thu, 1 May 97 10:02:30 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22288; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011359.JAA22288@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" Cc: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Status report and 0.9 years In-Reply-To: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> References: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Ron" == Ronald Van Iwaarden writes: Ron> Any guesses as to why our key rate is not around Ron> 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of really slow machines Ron> joining in? Not slow machines, but slow clients, yes. Hopefully, these will be remedied in the not so distant future :-> -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 09:56:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17608 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17603 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hops.cs.jhu.edu(128.220.13.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017601; Thu, 1 May 97 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (slipcon@localhost) by hops.cs.jhu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05717 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Lipcon To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: > > For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by > > three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase > > "The unknown message is: ". > >If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be > >the right key. This also brings up a point as to how useful it would be to break DES encryption. If I encrypt a message with a 56 bit key, and you have no idea what the first 24 characters are, you really have no way of telling when you manage to pick the right key. I guess this falls under the "lets not put that in the press release" catagory :) Scott From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 10:15:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17769 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17764 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017761; Thu, 1 May 97 10:15:31 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07044 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11494 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from dreamland.me.mtu.edu (weage@dreamland.me.mtu.edu [141.219.24.32]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id KAA11627 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:23 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by dreamland.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id KAA04337 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011423.KAA04337@dreamland.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Key checking method To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I was thinking about how the deschal client checks keys. I am not familliar cryptography, so I don't know if this will work. My guess is that the client cycles through each key and attempts to decode the complete message. Is it possible just to decode the first couple of characters, and then if those match, decode the entire message? Again, I have no idea if this can be done with DES. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 10:21:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17849 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17841 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.genesis.ezlink.com(199.45.150.245) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017837; Thu, 1 May 97 10:20:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 3400 invoked by uid 501); 1 May 1997 14:29:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:28:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Matt Clauson To: Starling cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 1 May 1997, Starling wrote: > 1) Would it be possible to make linux boot disks that boot a machine and > load the necesary stuff into a RAM disk so that the machine would > automatically run the client until a given time and then reboot? > If so, I might be able to comandeer a computer lab full of P200s. Yeah. The Linux client is fairly small, so building a bootdisk wouldn't be too much of a problem at all. > 2) Lets say your machine takes 30 minutes to run 2^28 key pairs, however > this is a dialup machine. Lets say you only want to dial up once every > 12 hours. Would it be possible to run 24 instances of the linux > [excess deleted] I'm not familiar enough with the program to give anywhere near a proper answer to this, sorry. > 3) Is it worth it to put any 386-class machines onto this? I have a few > 386s sitting around idle where I work that could crank away at their > little pace 24/7. Or would they somehow tie up the server or not > contribute enough to bother setting up with linux? Yeah, put Linux on them. Every CPU cycle you can spare helps the cause. > 4) What's the best way to keep track of your logs on a unix machine? > Since the client doesn't close the file until the client exits, > I presume that you can't mail the output unless you exit the client > occasionally, right? I'm using nohup here to run the programs, then I just 'tail -f nohup.out'. > 5) What text can I grep for on the very odd chance that a machine of mine > finds the solution? If the program on your end finds it, it will stop running. just look at the end of the log. ;) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2ioqPA2dQTrNiqdAQF7jwQAjEu3/Nesn3H7rSauYOPqSrpqmk1z90EX wN3Fj7Df5x/JtMKZjwKxi2xuwdSah870F2rJFnS6V1UbEaSWCYdef2aFE96WYJ+g 4aBQ60kGI9rnEWuQAOZrzf6491Jt8O7Ah+d5vjXpKDDjcUC5mu69FSGTydOdFlPZ 0KVA9fU8QMw= =ebLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 10:59:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18235 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18227 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018222; Thu, 1 May 97 10:59:14 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA22650; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:07:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA26155; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: Scott Lipcon cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Scott Lipcon wrote: > This also brings up a point as to how useful it would be to break DES > encryption. If I encrypt a message with a 56 bit key, and you have no > idea what the first 24 characters are, you really have no way of telling > when you manage to pick the right key. But you would often have a good idea. If I DES encrypted a text file, the odds of a key decoding the first block to all text is rather low. If we just check for alphanumeric characters in the first block or two, that's probably good enough. A human (or AI program) can sift through the results to be sure. This would be a little slower, but the net effect is the same. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 (Key to RSA's RC5/12/6 Challenge) From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:05:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18327 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18316 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018308; Thu, 1 May 97 11:05:08 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA30068; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:13:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:13:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199705011513.LAA30068@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> From: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) To: Scott Lipcon Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: References: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >This also brings up a point as to how useful it would be to break DES >encryption. If I encrypt a message with a 56 bit key, and you have no >idea what the first 24 characters are, you really have no way of telling >when you manage to pick the right key. Most practical encryption scenarios involve some amount of known plaintext. Packet headers, file formats, etc. It's very difficult to get a message to have perfect entropy. So the challenge is realistic. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:09:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18430 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18420 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu(141.209.1.16) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018412; Thu, 1 May 97 11:08:58 -0400 Received: from [153.35.112.102] by CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 01 May 97 11:15:43 EDT X-Sender: 3yt7knq@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400 To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" From: "Charles E. Novitski" Subject: newcomer Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out after 10-15 minutes of no communication? I am using DESChallMac.601 (or .604), and connect to the internet by modem. It appears to log onto keymaster.verser.frii.com, to get an assignment of keys to check. The first task is 2^22 complementary pairs, and after completion it appears to report back that no key was found. With each successive task the number of pairs increases. If other internet activity is quiet, then when the task takes longer than the time-out period, then the process is disrupted. The way the program is written, the only control seems to be the preference file. Is there a way of user controlling the number of pairs per task? (This would prevent being timed out. Flat rate connection, but internet provider might not be happy with long periods of connection.) Or being allowed to go offline to calculate and then online later to report? Or should modem connections be avoided. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:25:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18590 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18585 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018580; Thu, 1 May 97 11:24:45 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA15161; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:33:26 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199705011533.IAA15161@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Re: Export laws revisited To: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705011505.LAA30029@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> from "Nelson Minar" at May 1, 97 11:05:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > >But many people have been visited by men in trenchcoats > >and mirrored sunglasses and told that they'd BETTER take that crypto > >software off their ftp sites, or Uncle Sam will be VERY pissed off. > > They have? > > I agree with everything you've said. I've just never heard of visits > by MIB before. The most famous, and widely reported, was the university (don't have the name on the tip of my tongue right now) that developed Mosaic, the first true web browser. They got a visit because one of their upgrades had hooks for PGP services. No actual crypto code, just hooks. Or talk to Netscape, who took over a year to satisfy the US requirements for a 'secure' download site, so that they could give US citizens 128 bit encryption capabilities in their various products. BTW I've never heard of them harassing any of the so-called 'secure' sites, no matter how weak their protections against evil foreigners. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:30:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18666 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18653 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018641; Thu, 1 May 97 11:29:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id LAA01042 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001040; Thu, 1 May 97 11:39:46 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22710; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011536.LAA22710@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: deschall client distribution problem fixed (I hope :-) X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018711; Thu, 1 May 97 11:36:05 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10907 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28192 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id LAA13400 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:26 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id LAA23653 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27708 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id LAA13365 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:41:50 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id LAA23546 for weage@mtu.edu; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011542.LAA23546@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Key checking method To: weage@mtu.edu (Joshua Weage) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199705011423.KAA04337@dreamland.me.mtu.edu> from Joshua Weage at "May 1, 97 10:23:43 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Followup on my own message. I looked through some of the Cryptography stuff on RSA and saw that this can't be done. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:46:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18792 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18787 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tvd0074.urh.uiuc.edu(128.174.162.83) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018784; Thu, 1 May 97 11:46:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (betka@localhost) by tvd0074.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06473 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:54:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:54:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Corey Betka Reply-To: betka@uiuc.edu To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Export laws revisited In-Reply-To: <199705011533.IAA15161@goblin.punk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Jeff Simmons wrote: > > > > >But many people have been visited by men in trenchcoats > > >and mirrored sunglasses and told that they'd BETTER take that crypto > > >software off their ftp sites, or Uncle Sam will be VERY pissed off. > > > > They have? > > > > I agree with everything you've said. I've just never heard of visits > > by MIB before. > > The most famous, and widely reported, was the university (don't have the > name on the tip of my tongue right now) that developed Mosaic, the first > true web browser. They got a visit because one of their upgrades had > hooks for PGP services. No actual crypto code, just hooks. Not hard to find the name of the university that developed Mosaic, just look at the top of the DESchal stats! Thats right The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. As for MIB visits, it's kinda hard not to notice them on this campus, with an NCSA branch here. > Or talk to Netscape, who took over a year to satisfy the US requirements > for a 'secure' download site, so that they could give US citizens 128 bit > encryption capabilities in their various products. Hmm, netscape is owned by Marc Andressen, right? Another U of I grad and former NCSA employee, maybe they are holding a grudge? This is all off topic, so I will end here. Corey "Takes two to make three, but one ain't here Still chasing women and drinking beer." --"Welfare Music" by The Bottle Rockets From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:51:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18844 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18839 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.fd1.uc.edu(129.137.244.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018837; Thu, 1 May 97 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from [129.137.32.4] (super.bch.uc.edu [129.137.32.4]) by email.UC.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA28217 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:08 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Richard Prairie Subject: Hiding Deschal5.exe Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I've just subscribed to this list, checked the FAQ, and wonder if this issue has been solved by any list members. We have put a batch job on our lab server which runs Deschal5 using Windows NT 4.0 on our pentium machines, redirecting the output to a log in temp. When the program starts up we get the selftest message, minimize the window, and away we go. However, when a student goes to use the computer, he/she frequently stops Deschal5, since it's listed at the bottom of the screen. The lab attendent then (sometimes) restarts it when the machine is no longer in use. Has anyone come up with a script which will start Deschal5 when the machine is turned on, and hides it from the typical user? I would expect that the Task Manager would show it's presence, but that the desktop window would not. We could get a lot more idle cycles devoted to searching for keys if Deschal5 were not obvious. Rick Prairie Senior Software Engineer, C.I.T.S., U. of Cincinnati Phone: 513-556-9041 FAX 513-556-1208 "There's no way in HTML to do that!" From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:21:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19154 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19149 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from locutus.cso.uiuc.edu(130.126.112.144) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019147; Thu, 1 May 97 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-cook@localhost) by locutus.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA05350; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:29:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: locutus.cso.uiuc.edu: c-cook owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:29:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Kees Cook Reply-To: Kees Cook To: Richard Prairie cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-PGP: Should fill this in sometime MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Richard Prairie wrote: > Has anyone come up with a script which will start Deschal5 when the machine > is turned on, and hides it from the typical user? I would expect that the > Task Manager would show it's presence, but that the desktop window would > not. We could get a lot more idle cycles devoted to searching for keys if > Deschal5 were not obvious. In the NT resource kit, you want to grab the stuff associated with "AUTOEXNT". Here is a slightly edited version of what Corey Betka put together for our NT machines at UIUC: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Okay, the way I hide the process is to start it as an autoexnt.bat file. The resource kit comes with a util that installs a service that runs the %SYSTEMROOT%\autoexnt.bat file just like an autoexec.bat file does for a DOS machine (or like rc.local does on RedHat for the more linux friendlies) I've got a batch file written to install it, and I'm sure we could work out an open share or something similiar to install it from. Heres the installation batch file: REM INSTALL.BAT Begin copy \\Machine\deschall\install\*.* %SYSTEMROOT%\system32 mkdir c:\deschall copy \\Machine\deschall\*.exe c:\deschall \\Machine\deschall\instexnt install net start autoexnt REM End This requires that the following files be in this dir structure: \\Machine\deschall\install\ autoexnt.bat autoexnt.exe servmess.dll \\Machine\deschall deschal4.exe deschal5.exe deschal6.exe instexnt.exe The autoexnt.bat file contains the following: REM AUTOEXNT.BAT Begin c:\deschall\deschal%PROCESSOR_LEVEL% keymaster.verser.frii.com > c:\deschall\log.txt REM End This would require admin access on the machines, you need it to install a service. In the above structure, you'd have to replace "Machine" with your NT server, and I'd reccomend using the hidden shares. I can place the needed files in an anonymous FTP server if you find that the above scheme will work. The upshot of this scheme is that any time the machine gets rebooted or restarted, deschal starts right back up.... If you don't have admin access, I think you may be SOL as for an automatic way to start it.... ---end message -- Cornelius "Kees" Cook c-cook@uiuc.edu http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/c-cook All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:40:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19379 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19374 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imssc2.sc.intel.com(143.183.152.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019371; Thu, 1 May 97 12:40:38 -0400 Received: from td2cad.intel.com by imssc2.sc.intel.com (8.8.4/10.0i); Thu, 1 May 1997 16:48:57 GMT Received: from zaskar2 (zaskar2.oc.intel.com [172.31.154.194]) by td2cad.intel.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13265; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3368C8AE.4A6E@td2cad.intel.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:45:35 -0700 From: Bret Stastny Reply-To: bstastnX@td2cad.intel.com Organization: Intel Corp X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Prairie CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > We have put a batch job on our lab server which runs Deschal5 using Windows > NT 4.0 on our pentium machines, redirecting the output to a log in temp. > When the program starts up we get the selftest message, minimize the > window, and away we go. However, when a student goes to use the computer, > he/she frequently stops Deschal5, since it's listed at the bottom of the > screen. The lab attendent then (sometimes) restarts it when the machine is > no longer in use. Hi, There is a great program I am working with that basically runs a autoexec.bat where you put the DESCHAL client in the .bat file. You can see the program on the taskmanager but you do not see it anywhere on the desk top. Other advantages are that no one has to be logged on and it always restarts on reboot. The files you want to find are: autoexnt.bat autoexnt.exe autoexnt.txt instdesc.bat instexnt.exe servmess.dll I can not get them to you :(, maybe the person that originaly posted this could repost the information to the group. bret From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:49:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19471 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19466 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019463; Thu, 1 May 97 12:49:18 -0400 Received: from swsip1-06.ionet.net (swsip1-06.ionet.net [207.204.108.16]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13835; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:57:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "Charles E. Novitski" , "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: newcomer Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400, Charles E. Novitski wrote: >What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >after 10-15 minutes of no communication? My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 minutes and leave it open. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:52:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19503 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19494 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019488; Thu, 1 May 97 12:52:32 -0400 Received: from swsip1-06.ionet.net (swsip1-06.ionet.net [207.204.108.16]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14790 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705011700.MAA14790@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 11:57:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:08 -0400, Richard Prairie wrote: >Hi, > >I've just subscribed to this list, checked the FAQ, and wonder if this >issue has been solved by any list members. > >We have put a batch job on our lab server which runs Deschal5 using Windows >NT 4.0 on our pentium machines, redirecting the output to a log in temp. >When the program starts up we get the selftest message, minimize the >window, and away we go. However, when a student goes to use the computer, >he/she frequently stops Deschal5, since it's listed at the bottom of the >screen. The lab attendent then (sometimes) restarts it when the machine is >no longer in use. > >Has anyone come up with a script which will start Deschal5 when the machine >is turned on, and hides it from the typical user? I would expect that the >Task Manager would show it's presence, but that the desktop window would >not. We could get a lot more idle cycles devoted to searching for keys if >Deschal5 were not obvious. While you're at it, does anyone know of a good way to do it in OS/2 (make it not show up in the task list). Maybe then some people could put it in startup.cmd files across their networks. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:05:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19615 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19608 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.24.161.50) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019601; Thu, 1 May 97 13:04:54 -0400 Received: from usr001.USR.COM (149.112.163.71) by einstein.pcd.usr.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 May 1997 12:09:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970501170212.006936b8@einstein.pcd.usr.com> X-Sender: jgaetz@einstein.pcd.usr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 12:02:12 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Johnathan P. Gaetz" Subject: Ultrasparc specific client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd post a note about the new (for me, anyways) Ultrasparc client I just found on Dolske's DESCHALL Client Archive. Prior to running this client I was running the "Supersparc" client and it was clicking off between 610k and 640k keys/second. The ultra-specific client is giving me between 670k and 700k keys/second. That's not a huge jump, but 24/7 its certainly going to add up. Now if I can only get optimized clients for my other non-traditional machines. I'd like to be able to overtake ibm.com 8P Johnathan Gaetz Beta Engineer From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:06:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19633 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19628 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019626; Thu, 1 May 97 13:06:01 -0400 Received: from cl4-p3 (cl4-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.230]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10264 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:14:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:14:20 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe Message-Id: <862506860-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862506860-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > While you're at it, does anyone know of a good way to do it in OS/2 > (make it not show up in the task list). Maybe then some people could > put it in startup.cmd files across their networks. Try "detach deschal? keymaster.verser.frii.com" From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:20:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19779 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19774 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019772; Thu, 1 May 97 13:20:31 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA456455 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:28:51 GMT Message-Id: <199705011728.RAA456455@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-89-148.nc.us.ibm.net(166.72.89.148) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaFecDe7; Thu May 1 17:28:45 1997 From: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Thu, 01 May 97 13:28:07 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> Subject: Re: newcomer X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net>, on 05/01/97 at 11:54 AM, "Colin L. Hildinger" said: >On Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400, Charles E. Novitski wrote: >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 minutes and >leave it open. Or use a web page that refreshes ifself. Or use the INJOY dialer to 'dial on demand'. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! And the Magic Continues! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For all your Web Space / Web Pages Design / Web Site Manager Software / Web Servers needs..... http://www.adgrafix.com/info/mforteii/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:26:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19857 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19842 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019835; Thu, 1 May 97 13:26:05 -0400 Received: from cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu (schnem@cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu [128.113.18.113]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA221234; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:23 -0400 From: Matthew Schnee Received: (schnem@localhost) by cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id NAA48320; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199705011734.NAA48320@cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu> Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: schnem@rpi.edu In-Reply-To: <862506860-0-andrew@chatlink.com> from "Andrew James Alan Welty" at May 1, 97 10:14:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > > While you're at it, does anyone know of a good way to do it in OS/2 > > (make it not show up in the task list). Maybe then some people could > > put it in startup.cmd files across their networks. > > Try "detach deschal? keymaster.verser.frii.com" > You will want to redirect the output to a file so try "detach deschal? keymaster.verser.frii.com >> output.log 2>&1" This will append the output from the program to the existing log file and redirect stderr (the "selftest passed" message) to the log file as well. Matthew Schnee From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 14:20:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20188 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20183 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xanadu.io.com(199.170.88.6) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020177; Thu, 1 May 97 14:19:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (timur@localhost) by xanadu.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29771 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:28:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: xanadu.io.com: timur owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:28:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Timur Tabi To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: newcomer In-Reply-To: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: >On Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400, Charles E. Novitski wrote: > >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 >minutes and leave it open. An adjustable ping program will do this also. Under OS/2, this would be PMPING.EXE.. -- Timur Tabi, timur@io.com, http://www.io.com/~timur/index.html THE OS/2 Programming Page: http://www.edm2.com/common/links.html ... In Windows 95, no one can hear you scream From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:14:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20822 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20814 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from is.isoc.net(207.123.68.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020811; Thu, 1 May 97 15:13:56 -0400 Received: from noggle.isoc.net (noggle.isoc.net [207.123.68.210]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id na023881 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:23:33 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:21:33 GMT Message-ID: <336aec8e.71475825@mail.isoc.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 07:48:35 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: > For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by > three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase > "The unknown message is: ". >If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be >the right key. Well considering that DES is a 64 bit cypher, I hope it doesn't check the first 24 characters, but the first 8 to see if they en/decrypt correctly (I don't know if he's going from plaintext to cyphertext or the other way around), and then checking the rest if it ends up being the same. If he checked the first 24 characters all the time then it would waste time in multiple en/decryptions. Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:16:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20873 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20868 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from is.isoc.net(207.123.68.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020866; Thu, 1 May 97 15:16:16 -0400 Received: from noggle.isoc.net (noggle.isoc.net [207.123.68.210]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id pa023883 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:25:56 -0400 To: "Colin L. Hildinger" Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:23:56 GMT Message-ID: <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> References: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> In-Reply-To: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 >minutes and leave it open. I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and figured out I should try another approach. Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:42:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21133 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21123; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011942.PAA21123@gatekeeper.megasoft.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Majordomo@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Welcome to deschall-announce Reply-To: Majordomo@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -- Welcome to the deschall-announce mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe deschall-announce deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: The deschall list is for announcements of the DESCHALL Effort, an answer to the RSA Data Security, Inc., DES Challenge. More information on the DES contest, and the entire RSA Crypto Challenge can be found on the web at http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/ This effort's home page can be found at http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm Project Mailing List archives are available at http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/archive/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:49:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21221 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21210 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lib.oru.edu(205.143.139.34) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021199; Thu, 1 May 97 15:49:18 -0400 Received: from brian.oru.edu (brian.oru.edu [205.143.137.65]) by lib.oru.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09859; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3368F5AD.BF8A2861@oru.edu> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:57:33 -0500 From: Brian Young Organization: Oral Roberts University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: noggle@isoc.net, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk noggle@isoc.net wrote: > > On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: > > >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out > >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > > > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 > >minutes and leave it open. > > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with > only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to > keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and > figured out I should try another approach. Hey, if they are selling you a unlimited account..... -- byoung@oru.edu Brian Young Internet Systems Admin Oral Roberts University From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:58:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21309 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21304 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.is.tcu.edu(138.237.128.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021302; Thu, 1 May 97 15:58:48 -0400 Received: from riogrande.cs.tcu.edu (TCUCS6.CS.TCU.EDU) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IICYFYJVKW000811@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 01 May 1997 15:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [138.237.128.62] (rinewalt) by riogrande.cs.tcu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25453; Thu, 01 May 1997 15:07:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 15:07:03 -0500 From: Dick Rinewalt Subject: Re: newcomer In-reply-to: X-Sender: rinewalt@gamma.is.tcu.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 10:05 AM -0500 on 5/1/97, Charles E. Novitski wrote: >I am using DESChallMac.601 (or .604), and connect to the internet by modem. What is DESChallMac.601? A Macintosh client? If so, where can I get a copy? Dick From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:02:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21392 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21386 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021382; Thu, 1 May 97 16:01:52 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id QAA03563; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003561; Thu, 1 May 97 16:11:47 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23476; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012008.QAA23476@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Dick Rinewalt Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer In-Reply-To: References: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Dick" == Dick Rinewalt writes: Dick> What is DESChallMac.601? A Macintosh client? If so, where can I Dick> get a copy? http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/des-dist/ -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:06:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21435 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21430 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu(18.72.1.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021428; Thu, 1 May 97 16:06:38 -0400 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18614; Thu, 1 May 97 16:14:58 EDT Received: from HIGHLAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08298; Thu, 1 May 97 15:14:57 EST Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970501161428.00a97e80@po7.mit.edu> X-Sender: zudark@po7.mit.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:14:28 -0400 To: From: "Ethan M. O'Connor" Subject: Re: Status report and 0.9 years In-Reply-To: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 07:25 AM 5/1/97, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: > >I have been watching the status report for the last five of days and >we have been sitting at about 0.9 years with around 107409238392832 >keys per day. This has been true in spite of the number of machines >increasing by at least 25% (who knows how many machines are behind >some of the gateways) over the last five days. Any guesses as to why >our key rate is not around 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of >really slow machines joining in? The rate/machine is typically also quite a bit lower during the week, looking at past weeks; I guess that's for two reasons: Machines only running at night during the week, but all day on the weekend; machines actually getting used for something other than DESCHALL (gasp!) -Ethan O'Connor From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:11:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21490 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21485 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:11:49 -0400 (EDT) From: speed@ns.connext.net Received: from connext.net(207.42.196.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021482; Thu, 1 May 97 16:11:28 -0400 Received: from trident ([204.177.148.138]) by ns.connext.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13605 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012019.QAA13605@ns.connext.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:19:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ISP hassles Reply-to: speed@connext.net In-reply-to: <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> References: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Ask your ISP if he would like to assist us and run the client software on some of their systems, then :) You never know until you try. - Mark On 1 May 97 at 19:23, noggle@isoc.net wrote: > On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: > > >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out > >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > > > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 > >minutes and leave it open. > > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 > hours with only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do > something every 5 minutes to keep me online... He kicked me off. > It redialed. I got that message and figured out I should try > another approach. > > Jason Gmoser > noggle@isoc.net > From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:35:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21817 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21812 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.121.101.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021808; Thu, 1 May 97 16:35:18 -0400 Received: (from paonia@localhost) by exon.massart.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA03601; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:43:29 -0400 From: Paonia Ezrine Message-Id: <199705012043.QAA03601@exon.massart.edu> Subject: other ports To: dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu (Justin Dolske) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Justin Dolske" at Apr 27, 97 12:33:40 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It was asked a while back if other port where needed. a windows 3.1 port would be helpful. It would be slower but better then nothing. thanks paonia -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paonia Ezrine | Mass Art | | paonia@massart.edu | 621 Huntington Ave | | 617-232-1555 ext 357 | Boston, MA 02115 | | 617-566-4034 (fax) | www.massart.edu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:39:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21863 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21845 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.genesis.ezlink.com(199.45.150.245) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021832; Thu, 1 May 97 16:38:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 3743 invoked by uid 501); 1 May 1997 20:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:45:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Matt Clauson To: noggle@isoc.net cc: "Colin L. Hildinger" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer In-Reply-To: <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 1 May 1997 noggle@isoc.net wrote: > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with > only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to > keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and > figured out I should try another approach. Mirror the entire WUarchive over 14k4? ;) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2kBCPA2dQTrNiqdAQHaKwQAjU8j4gMDNsLfpc2/XAkkTTL5UT6LwVjZ lcgVejMA/8ysNYlrM6YdYTJz0zsOpJHqsE6eByX4TWsPwswFvAFW1D7DTaqanUe2 lhl8Ni+Rm5GPEJxegzonMiGcL425lJwyH0SuRrgrcRMg5VY5SuQAs+YOWjxGnfyk o1uJGiDJJko= =/ewr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:52:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22007 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22000 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021996; Thu, 1 May 97 16:51:53 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA468110 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:00:09 GMT Message-Id: <199705012100.VAA468110@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-89-198.nc.us.ibm.net(166.72.89.198) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smajxIDFW; Thu May 1 20:54:12 1997 From: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Thu, 01 May 97 16:40:34 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705012019.QAA13605@ns.connext.net> Subject: Re: ISP hassles X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >On 1 May 97 at 19:23, noggle@isoc.net wrote: >> On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >> >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? >> > >> >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 >> >minutes and leave it open. >> >> I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 >> hours with only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do >> something every 5 minutes to keep me online... He kicked me off. >> It redialed. I got that message and figured out I should try >> another approach. >> Yes, like finding another ISP. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! And the Magic Continues! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For all your Web Space / Web Pages Design / Web Site Manager Software / Web Servers needs..... http://www.adgrafix.com/info/mforteii/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 17:13:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22207 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22200 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022196; Thu, 1 May 97 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from cl8-p4 (cl8-p4.chatlink.com [205.139.105.190]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22904 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:21:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:21:38 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: newcomer Message-Id: <862521698-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862521698-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with > only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to > keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and > figured out I should try another approach. EMail yourself a 12 megabyte file, this would take about 1 hour (assuming 28,800bps) to get to the mail server, then another hour to get back to you, giving you about 24 megabytes worth of transfer. Adjust to need, larger/smaller file(s). From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 17:21:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22271 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22266 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.galstar.com(204.251.80.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022263; Thu, 1 May 97 17:20:39 -0400 Received: (from sbright@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05366 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:28:53 -0500 (CDT) From: rot Message-Id: <199705012128.QAA05366@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: People confusing DES w RC5 and other stuff To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:28:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been trying to drum support up from people I know around the net. I forwared them the Computer Underground Digest blurb but didnt get any "wow cool" response like i expected to get. They seem to think this is about RC5, that the blurb is about 'high power' computers like mainframes, that it takes a lot of disk space to run, or that it takes some kind of super computer to run. I would love to see in the future press releases some more "concreteness" to display just how easy it is to download the client and set it up. Ill keep trying to bug my friends, Im crossing my fingers i wont have to explain how to give the program a server name on the command line. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 17:21:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22286 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22281 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022279; Thu, 1 May 97 17:21:29 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id RAA04329 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004327; Thu, 1 May 97 17:31:06 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23814; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012127.RAA23814@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: List Administrativia: deschall and deschall-announce X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from protos.lifesci.ucla.edu(164.67.8.70) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022511; Thu, 1 May 97 17:46:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by protos.lifesci.ucla.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA16562; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:55:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: TC Lai To: "Ethan M. O'Connor" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Status report and 0.9 years In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970501161428.00a97e80@po7.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Ethan M. O'Connor wrote: > At 07:25 AM 5/1/97, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: > > > >I have been watching the status report for the last five of days and > >we have been sitting at about 0.9 years with around 107409238392832 > >keys per day. This has been true in spite of the number of machines > >increasing by at least 25% (who knows how many machines are behind > >some of the gateways) over the last five days. Any guesses as to why > >our key rate is not around 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of > >really slow machines joining in? Not only that, but dialup users on dynamic addressing get counted as separate clients each time they dial in to grab a keyblock. UCLA currently is listed as having 60+ clients, but I suspect that my gateway machine (on PPP) is responsible for 20-30 of those IP addresses (any UCLA people care to comment?) If you look at the UCLA stats, the number of clients jumps after day 61, when I got my Mac clients and started running them. This would of course, dilute the average number of keys, and if there really aren't that many *new* machines joining in, would account for why our total key rate isn't increasing in accordance. TC From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 18:56:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22829 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22822 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022793; Thu, 1 May 97 18:55:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00615 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:01:22 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma000612; Thu, 1 May 97 18:01:13 GMT Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:05:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: DESCHALL Linux Bootdisk mini-HOWTO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk DECHALL Linux bootdisk mini-HOWTO v0.01 ALPHA! - May 1 1997 Stuart Stock This document is distributed under the GPL 0.0 COPYRIGHT AND LEGAL CLUTTER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------ DISCLAIMER: Your mileage may vary. This works for me but if it blows your machine up it's not my fault. I have tried to assemble accurate instructions on how to do this, but bear in mind this is a rushed job and intended as a guideline only. This information is provided free of charge and comes with no warranty! All responsibility lies with the user of this document. The author disclaims any and all responsibility for damages arising from the use or misuse of the provided information. ------------------------------------------------------ This document is Copyright (c) 1997 Stuart Stock. It is distributed under the GNU Public License. Everyone is permitted to make verbatim copies of this document. Changing it is not allowed. New versions will be posted to the deschall mailing lists as they become available. If you find an error, or have a suggested improvement, please mail stuart@gundaker.com. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS: I'm sorry, but I will not be able to help you with problems you might have. There is a wealth of information in the Linux Documentation Project HOWTO's and FAQ's as well as the Cramdisk docs. Please consult those, this is something I'm doing in my (very limited) spare time. 0.1 PURPOSE ~~~~~~~~~~~ There have been a number of requests for a Linux boot disk to use at night on spare machines. This document will provide instructions on how to create a customized boot disk for your site. These instructions are NOT for the newbie. You must be comfortable with manipulating disk partitions, modifying system startup files, and configuring network devices. Once you are done, you will have a bootdisk that supports any network (Ethernet and PPP), SCSI, or other devices needed to boot the system correctly. Right now, there are no pre-made generic bootdisks. I haven't taken a look at Cramdisk's license to see if that would be permitted (it's GPL'ed so I imagine it would be okay). If there is a demand, I will make some generic bootdisks available if someone will provide a FTP site. 1.0 INTRO ~~~~~~~~~ The disk you are going to create is made possible by the really excellent Cramdisk RAM disk loader. Please take a look at the READMEs in the cramdisk distribution for information on the authors and MUCH more detailed instructions than I can provide here. If you get confused by my instructions, take a look at the cramdisk documentation. You'll need the following: - A Linux 2.X.X box that you have root permission on - A 3.5" floppy drive - Kernel source and gcc - A spare disk partition (see the info below) - cramdisk-2.0.8MB.net.tgz from Sunsite or a mirror ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/recovery/images/ Note - The cramdisk image that we will be modifying assumes that the client machine has at least 8MB of memory. I have yet to meet a Pentium with 4 megs, but you can try the 4MB cramdisk image file if you want. I haven't used it and don't know if it will work. 2.0 LET'S DO IT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.1 - Find an extra partition ------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the trickiest step of the whole process. The cramdisk image, cramdisk.8MB, is a complete compressed filesystem. To modify it, it needs to be decompressed to a drive partition and mounted as a normal filesystem. The partition only needs to be 4 megs or so. I suggest the following: - If you have multiple swap partitions, unmount one and use it temporarily. - If you don't mind the hassle, boot to DOS and use FIPS - If you have plenty of real memory, unmount your current swap partition temporarily. - Donate that old FAT partition running Windoze ;-) - If you can suffer with a little less memory for a few minutes, create a 4MB ramdisk. *** WARNING: The partition you choose will be ERASED COMPLETELY *** *** ANY DATA ON THE PARTITION IS LOST FOREVER!!! *** Using a swap partition works great. You won't even have to change the partition type in fdisk. Just remember to run mkswap and swapon after you're all done to re-enable your swap space. Note: You'll have to specify the blocksize of the partition to mkswap when you recreate it. Get that info from fdisk. You do not need to create a file system on the spare partition. Just allocate it for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.2 - Extract the files ------------------------------------------------------------------ After you have downloaded cramdisk-2.0.8MB.net.tgz make a temporary directory and extract the files. Change to the cramdisk directory and it should look like this: # ls -l total 1507 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9324 Oct 19 1996 README.howto -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7043 Oct 19 1996 README.what2mod -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42587 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk-2.0.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk.8MB extract the cramdisk-2.0.tgz file also: # ls -l total 1606 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17976 Oct 17 1996 COPYING -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9324 Oct 19 1996 README.howto -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15524 Oct 17 1996 README.orig -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7043 Oct 19 1996 README.what2mod -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3497 Oct 17 1996 config.cram.net -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3335 Oct 17 1996 config.cram.ppa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42587 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk-2.0.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk.8MB -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 623 Oct 7 1996 cramon -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4855 Oct 19 1996 filelist.8MB -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4748 Oct 19 1996 filelist.lynx -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4581 Oct 19 1996 filelist.net -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4428 Oct 18 1996 filelist.ppa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1618 Oct 19 1996 make2fsz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 560 Oct 19 1996 makedist.8MB -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 555 Oct 19 1996 makedist.lynx -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 560 Oct 19 1996 makedist.net -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 565 Oct 19 1996 makedist.ppa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1589 Oct 7 1996 makefsz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8232 Oct 7 1996 ramdisk.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 872 Oct 7 1996 readfsz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13248 Oct 17 1996 tzx100.tgz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1085 Oct 7 1996 writefsz ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.3 - Build a custom kernel (if needed) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The stock cramdisk image comes with support for ppp, 3c509, and NE2000 network cards. If your client uses PPP or a 3Com or NE2000 compatible network card, skip to the next section (2.0.4). Otherwise, before you get busy with the next few steps, start the compile of your custom kernel. If you don't know how to compile a kernel, consult the Kernel-HOWTO. ** Make sure to add RAM Disk support ** Initial RAM disk support (initrd) is not needed, just the regular stuff. Include all drivers you need for the proper operation of your clients, but don't over do it! Keep the kernel as small as possible (sorry, soundcard support is out ;-). ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.4 - Write the stock image to a floppy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Find yourself a FORMATTED, ERROR-FREE diskette and do a # cat cramdisk.8MB > /dev/fd0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.5 - Extract the kernel image from the floppy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep the floppy in the drive and do a # dd if=/dev/fd0 of=zImage bs=1 count=386393 You now have the stock kernel laying in the current directory as zImage. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.6 - Extract the compressed filesystem to the partition ------------------------------------------------------------------ Got that partition ready? Good, keep the floppy in the drive and do # readfsz - | gzip -d > /dev/hda? Where /dev/hda? is the name of your unmounted spare partition. Could be /dev/sda3, could be /dev/hdc5, I dunno. If you don't understand this part, you probably want to STOP NOW because you could overwrite your entire Linux box if you don't know what you're doing. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.7 - Mount the filesystem and start editing ------------------------------------------------------------------ Now the cool stuff. Mount your new partition: # mount /dev/hda? /mnt Again /dev/hda? is your partition's name and /mnt is the mount-point you've picked. Change directory to /mnt and take a look: # ls -l total 28 drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 1024 Oct 19 1996 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3072 Mar 24 1996 dev drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Mar 21 1995 dos drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 etc drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Mar 21 1995 hd drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 Oct 15 1996 home drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Apr 12 12:09 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 18 1994 mnt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 18 1994 proc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 root drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 1024 Oct 17 1996 sbin drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Oct 15 1996 tmp drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 Mar 23 1996 usr drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 Feb 18 1995 var Your own new filesystem! Edit away. I've changed the following things on our site's disks: - Network interfaces (eth0) are NOT configured in /etc/rd.d/rc.inet1 - Added domain and nameserver IPs to /etc/resolv.conf - Because we don't use PPP, removed all the PPP related files from /usr/bin to save space - Added DESCHALL clients to /usr/bin You get the idea. If you need to add additional files, you have about 200Kb slack space to work with. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.8 - Create a configuration strategy ------------------------------------------------------------------ So now that you have this filesystem, how are you going to configure the network and get the DESCHALL client going once it's booted? As shown above, I don't start the network interfaces at boot-time. Instead, I have a modified Slackware rc.inet1 script I run from the command line do it for me: ----------------------------- BEGIN SCRIPT --------------------------- #!/bin/sh # echo "configuring client with IP of $1" echo "setting hostname to $2" /sbin/ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 /sbin/route add -net 127.0.0.0 NETMASK="255.255.255.0" # REPLACE with YOUR netmask! NETWORK="192.168.1.0" # REPLACE with YOUR network address! BROADCAST="192.168.1.255" # REPLACE with YOUR broadcast address! GATEWAY="192.168.1.254" # REPLACE with YOUR gateway address! /sbin/ifconfig eth0 $1 broadcast ${BROADCAST} netmask ${NETMASK} /sbin/route add -net ${NETWORK} netmask ${NETMASK} /sbin/route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1 /bin/hostname $2 /usr/bin/deschall-linux-P5 keymaster.verser.frii.com & # end of script ----------------------------- END SCRIPT ------------------------------ As you can see there is no error checking, so you might want to consider a more robust script than mine. Edit the filesystem to suit your connection needs. Maybe that means configuring PPP dial scripts, maybe that means configuring the client to use DHCP. It's up to you. Almost all of the standard Linux system utilities are present, and you can always copy some over. You may also statically configure a disk with the rc.inet1 script provided with cramdisk if you only have one host you need to boot. Another good idea would be to compile FAT/FAT32 filesystem support into your custom kernel and run your config script from a DOS/Win95 hard drive mounted at startup. You would have to edit the file once on each machine, but after that, bootup on the floppy is hands-free. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.9 - Finally, create the disk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Place the kernel you intend to use in the cramdisk directory and name it zImage (suprise suprise). Place an ERROR-FREE FORMATTED floppy in the drive and: # dd if=zImage of=/dev/fd0 bs=20b # umount /mnt <-- or whatever mount-point you chose for your partition # make2fsz /dev/hda? - 2200 | writefsz - Bingo. You now have your custom boot disk. 3.0 NOW WHAT? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.1 - Usurping cycles overnight ------------------------------------------------------------------ The cramdisk image comes configured with 2 virtual consoles (adjustable of course). I like to start DESCHALL on one, flip over to the other console and set a delayed reboot: # sleep 25200; shutdown -r -t3 now That will reboot the machine in 7 hours. Pop out the bootdisk, and walk away. In the morning the user will be greeted with the normal login or desktop screen they are used to. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.2 - Duplicate your disk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Easy. Follow the procedure in section 2.0.9 or pop in the newly created bootdiskette and: # cat /dev/fd0 > ./bootdisk.image Now pop in a new ERROR-FREE FORMATTED diskette and # cat ./bootdisk.image > /dev/fd0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.3 - PCMCIA Support ------------------------------------------------------------------ I see no reason why you couldn't enable PCMCIA support. You'll have to strip as many unnecessary files from the cramdisk filesystem as possible to accommodate the modules and module utilities but it certainly could be done. If anyone does this, please mail me so I can include the instructions in the next version of this mini-HOWTO. Plentiful 4.0 THAT'S ALL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good luck and may your cycles be optimal. -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "If Windows is the answer,