From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:22:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14500 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14495 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net(165.87.201.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014493; Thu, 1 May 97 00:21:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out2.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA40128 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:30:07 GMT Message-Id: <199705010430.EAA40128@out2.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-107-83.ct.us.ibm.net(166.72.107.83) by out2.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smab5ACzR; Thu May 1 04:30:01 1997 From: "Joe Phillips" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 00:28:31 Reply-To: "Joe Phillips" X-Mailer: Joe Phillips's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux (fwd) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:28:53 -0400, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: >At 10:22 PM 4/30/97 -0400, ITS ME DAMN IT wrote: >> >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:10:47 -0400 (EDT) >>From: ITS ME DAMN IT >>To: deschall@keymaster.megasoft.com >>Subject: Linux >> >>does anybody see a problem with running 4 clients at the same time >>on a linux box >>p200 with a 128 megs of ram >>other than pushing the load average up >>maybe confusing the key server might be a problem > >What would be the motivation to do that? You're not going to turn any more >keys that way...if you run 4, each of the 4 will just run at 1/4 the speed >of a single instance running by itself. I think it would work and not >cause any problems...there's just not any reason to do it. The ONLY motivation I could see for doing this on a single processor machine, other than for experimentation, would be to be able to claim more than one key block at a time. since each client would run slower, and the size of the key block searched is determined by time to search it, the number of total keys checked out by a given machine would be roughly the same (assuming little or no penalty for context switching) but spread out evenly across all clients. The end result would at best be a bunch of smaller key blocks that are likely to be discontiguous. given that context switching takes up time, and is said to be relatively expensive, I'd say the more clients you run, the fewer total keys your machine will check in a second. your best bet (statistically) would seem to be going with one client per processor. Does this sound right? I'm only coming from the angle of how an OS/2 client would work in this situation, unix will probably be at least a little different. I am not familiar with 'nice', so maybe running multiple, unix clients with nice would work differently. In any case, the big difference will most likely be searching multiple keyspaces at once (but most likely slower and in smaller chunks.) I'll have to boot linux now and check out the nice man pages... l8r, joe phillips jaiger@ibm.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2f/zm95QNP63TklAQH+jgQAlTFu1nM29aDgulCAWOLbuc7SX0iPRRAa d4sNmSUeu6ZygHnMT9sf0F+kJVYX6S4d9lmBRIZ0YJL7IzAiZ58u5mv1OxZ0onyW TEARYciitBs+hM/aOfdfqe/+raPirRvI0RpkiImtwDDBzPn85a9DQQdvJQG6Kx7k w9cvn0iNYMs= =9xxt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:23:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14508 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14503 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014501; Thu, 1 May 97 00:23:00 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA11443; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:31:48 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199705010431.VAA11443@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Re: Export laws revisited To: zudark@mit.edu (Ethan M. O'Connor) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:31:47 -3100 (PDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970430230747.00a8f270@po7.mit.edu> from "Ethan M. O'Connor" at Apr 30, 97 11:07:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > This is all pretty much moot until we consult > a lawyer, but if someone wants to go ahead and > take whatever risk there is in making the client > internationally available, the following section > from the export comment (available on Rocke's page) > might be of some encouragement: > So it seems like current export guidelines are based not on the ideas > conveyed, but on encryption functionality. Since the clients distributions > are just binary which can't do anything but participate in this search, > even if someone extracted the algortithm from the machine code, that > would just be "informational or theoretical value" and ... > > Opinions? Look, guys, the ITAR/EAR restrictions are based on some pretty weird stuff. Since we're dealing with foreign soil, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights DO NOT APPLY. EAR is NOT a law. It's an administrative directive. Basically, it means whatever the enforcing agencies BELIEVE it means. No one has (to my knowledge) ever been prosecuted for exporting crypto under the ITAR/EAR (Phil Zimmerman was persecuted and investigated, but never CHARGED). But many people have been visited by men in trenchcoats and mirrored sunglasses and told that they'd BETTER take that crypto software off their ftp sites, or Uncle Sam will be VERY pissed off. When you get to the point where exporting an IDEA to a friend outside of the U.S. borders is illegal, we've gone WAY past logic. Trying to poke logical holes in the ITAR/EAR regulations is a waste of time. My opinion. You asked. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:49:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14604 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14599 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014597; Thu, 1 May 97 00:49:10 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA26620 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:57:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199705010457.AAA26620@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall List" Subject: Nice Shutdown in Win95 - Solved! Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:57:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like most win95 solutions, this is pretty involved so just stick with me... What you need to create is a PIF file. This holds relevant settings for your dos programs (like deschal). Go to the Start Menu in explorer and copy the DOS Prompt shortcut somewhere convenient. Then change its properties to those of deschal. The relevant ones are on the program tab (make sure you enter the keymaster in command line), and on the misc. tab. One the misc. tab, there is checkbox under Termination that says "Warn if still active". Uncheck this and hit OK. Now this shortcut should run deschal so that you can close like any other windows program. You can click the close button on the upper right, and it should shut down automagically when your computer shuts down. No more CTRL-Cs! OTOH, the attached PIF should also work (with a little editing). Hope this works for you. Scott McIntyre ------------ smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu DES Rutgers - http://nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu - Break the Code ------=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Deschall.pif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Deschall.pif" AHhERVNDSEFMNSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICCAAgAAQzpcUHJvZ3JhbSBGaWxlc1xkZXNc REVTQ0hBTDUuRVhFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEABDOlxQcm9ncmFtIEZp bGVzXGRlc1wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa2V5bWFz dGVyLnZlcnNlci5mcmlpLmNvbQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAABAP8ZUAAABwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATUlDUk9TT0ZUIFBJRkVYAIcBAABxAVdJTkRPV1Mg Mzg2IDMuMAAFAp0BaACAAgAAZAAyAP//AAD//wAAChASAB8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa2V5 bWFzdGVyLnZlcnNlci5mcmlpLmNvbQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAFdJTkRPV1MgVk1NIDQuMAD//xsCrAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA UElGTUdSLkRMTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIAAAAAAAAAAAAAADIAAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAUA GQADAMgA6AMCAAoAAQAAAAAAAAAcAAAAAAAAAAYACwBUZXJtaW5hbAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAENvdXJpZXIgTmV3AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAAUAAZAOQBMAHsAWcB FgAAAAEA//////z//P8+ACkAKgKQAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAA== ------=_NextPart_000_01BC55CA.B234F0E0-- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 00:59:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14649 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14644 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 00:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marauder.randomc.com(205.160.20.86) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014642; Thu, 1 May 97 00:59:11 -0400 Received: from marauder.randomc.com (marauder.randomc.com [100.100.100.5]) by marauder.randomc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11547; Thu, 1 May 1997 01:03:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:03:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ITS ME DAMN IT To: Adam Haberlach cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Linux (fwd) In-Reply-To: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929127406@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > ObAnswerToQuestionThat'sBeenAnsweredSixTimes: Only run one > process unless you're running on a multiprocessor system. One > Deschall process will fill the processor because it has no > hardware interaction (except for printing the occasional period) > to cause it to be in a state that does not require the > processor. Two deschall processes will cause > competition--swapping back and forth, and getting slightly less > then 1/2 of a proc each (slightly less is caused by the > switching action itself). ok that answered that real quick like im not actually doing it i was just wondering what the system would do if it happened yes linux handles very well even better then my Ultra Sparc(SMP) that cost 25,000 ok yall have fun > > > - --- > Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu > http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad > Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBM2gWaBSmwqZasiJdAQHMCgP/Z5tVK5NkXSxRAyCmCeO1L30YJga26yKq > t8P5DQHL5U+FR6R8xHBeIJC/1GGH8xqMbz535LMeU89WNMtsQ04Ey3b/MJhRPzve > OofaZe1wNM6NzNcSGSnIc7yHp2vIDLlS66yK5q4XXZDFIgLIqkap3uHoWndJBN1V > X8QdoEyKFTI= > =Wk1f > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 02:51:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15257 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15252 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015250; Thu, 1 May 97 02:51:04 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24641 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 01:59:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705010659.BAA24641@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 01:55:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OS/2 Clients Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd note that we should expect quite a few more people to join in in the next couple of days - I posted my web page to the comp.os.os2.announce newsgroup and already have a few reports of people throwing multiple machines at the problem. Hopefully someone who has a few hundred machines at their disposal will join in. I tried to talk some folks into it last night on #OS/2, one in particulart had 15 machines, but said he wouldn't do it if anyone made money on the deal - he wanted the entire 10k to got to gnu. Sigh. Even w/o him, we should get some publicity (but I wish I could've talked him into throwing his 2 dual PPro 200 machines at the problem...). Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 02:54:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15272 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15267 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au(134.148.24.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015265; Thu, 1 May 97 02:54:35 -0400 Received: from uucp-gateway by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.1-8 #21152) id <0E9HQ6L010037H@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:01:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (kastlore.hna.com.au [200.90.1.36]) by praetor.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12782 for ; Thu, 01 May 1997 15:30:30 +1000 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:37:45 +1000 From: Andrew Glazebrook Subject: Deschall Outside of North America To: DES Challange Mailing List Reply-to: Andrew Glazebrook Message-id: <199705010530.PAA12782@praetor.hna.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Andrew Glazebrook's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America if anyone wants to visit it or add a link to it. Only the intel versions of deschall are available for download, but I doubt that will adversly affect anyone :-). The page can be found at http://www.aljan.com.au/~k2 From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 03:29:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15361 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15356 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015354; Thu, 1 May 97 03:29:19 -0400 Received: from swsip1-06.ionet.net (swsip1-06.ionet.net [207.204.108.16]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA28924 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 02:37:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705010737.CAA28924@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "DES Challange Mailing List" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 02:34:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 1997 16:37:45 +1000, Andrew Glazebrook wrote: >Hi. > > I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America if >anyone wants to visit it or add a link to it. Only the intel versions of >deschall are available for download, but I doubt that will adversly affect >anyone :-). The page can be found at http://www.aljan.com.au/~k2 Now we need to recruit the Solnet people. The OS/2 ones won't be hard to get - Solnet doesn't have an OS/2 client. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 03:41:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15402 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15397 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gs213.sp.cs.cmu.edu(128.2.209.183) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015395; Thu, 1 May 97 03:41:46 -0400 Received: by GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04856; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9705010750.AA04856@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darrell Kindred To: DES Challenge Mailing List Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: <199705010530.PAA12782@praetor.hna.com.au> References: <199705010530.PAA12782@praetor.hna.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Andrew Glazebrook writes: > I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America > [...] I think this is a bad idea. It seems quite possible to me that it will cause trouble for Rocke personally and/or the DESCHALL effort as a whole. Many of us hope to influence U.S. export policy through this contest, and I don't think it's going to help our case if the contest participants get portrayed as smugglers. If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. We're all working toward the same goal. - Darrell From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 04:28:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA15511 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA15506 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.cc.umr.edu(131.151.1.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015504; Thu, 1 May 97 04:28:15 -0400 Received: from saucer.cc.umr.edu (saucer.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.58]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.5/R.4.20) id DAA24825; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:36:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from (starling@localhost) by saucer.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id DAA13099; Thu, 1 May 1997 03:36:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Subject: Newbie Questions... To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:36:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Starling" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just joined and I have a few questions. I appologize if these have already been discussed, as I'm still looking through the list archives. 1) Would it be possible to make linux boot disks that boot a machine and load the necesary stuff into a RAM disk so that the machine would automatically run the client until a given time and then reboot? If so, I might be able to comandeer a computer lab full of P200s. 2) Lets say your machine takes 30 minutes to run 2^28 key pairs, however this is a dialup machine. Lets say you only want to dial up once every 12 hours. Would it be possible to run 24 instances of the linux client, thereby grabbing off 24 key sequence hunks (or whatever they're called) and then have it complete all 24 in time for the dialup? To be on the safe side, you might want to run 23 to make sure that the context switching didn't eat into your time and throw everything out of whack. I was thinking of doing this on a smaller scale (like running 2 or 4 at a time), rather than dialing in every 30 minutes This would be to get around an idle-timeout disconnect "feature" on our dialup without having to hog the dialup. Or is there some way I can get my client to grab a larger number of keys to try? 3) Is it worth it to put any 386-class machines onto this? I have a few 386s sitting around idle where I work that could crank away at their little pace 24/7. Or would they somehow tie up the server or not contribute enough to bother setting up with linux? 4) What's the best way to keep track of your logs on a unix machine? Since the client doesn't close the file until the client exits, I presume that you can't mail the output unless you exit the client occasionally, right? 5) What text can I grep for on the very odd chance that a machine of mine finds the solution? From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 05:44:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA15851 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 05:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA15846 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 05:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015844; Thu, 1 May 97 05:44:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA01394 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:53:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 04:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Starling wrote: >4) What's the best way to keep track of your logs on a unix machine? > Since the client doesn't close the file until the client exits, > I presume that you can't mail the output unless you exit the client > occasionally, right? deschall keymaster.verser.frii.com | tee -a deschall.output & set desPID=$! When you want to email the entire output file: kill -STOP $desPID echo "" >> deschall.output cat deschall.output | mail -s "output as of `date`" kill -CONT $desPID I don't believe you can do anything but add to the output file while the program is running or you loose any further data. To begin a new output file I think you need to completely kill deschall first, move/delete the file, and restart deschall anew afterward. Some of the other DES Challenge groups have added the feature to their clients that a kill -SIGHUP will cause the client to finish its current block of keys and then exit. Any chance we could get that feature? -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 06:22:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15955 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15950 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015948; Thu, 1 May 97 06:22:27 -0400 Received: (from insect@localhost) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) id GAA16695; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:33:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 06:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: andrew meggs To: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer) wrote: > > Some of the other DES Challenge groups have added the feature to their > clients that a kill -SIGHUP will cause the client to finish its current > block of keys and then exit. Any chance we could get that feature? > I just added it. Pending Rocke's blessing, it might be able to make its way into the real distribution. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 07:17:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16145 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16140 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016138; Thu, 1 May 97 07:17:20 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA462759 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:40 GMT Message-Id: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-3-94.il.us.ibm.net(166.72.3.94) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smalpMDM2; Thu May 1 11:25:30 1997 From: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 07:25:38 Reply-To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" X-Mailer: Stephanie van Iwaarden's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Status report and 0.9 years Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have been watching the status report for the last five of days and we have been sitting at about 0.9 years with around 107409238392832 keys per day. This has been true in spite of the number of machines increasing by at least 25% (who knows how many machines are behind some of the gateways) over the last five days. Any guesses as to why our key rate is not around 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of really slow machines joining in? --Ron o Ronald Van Iwaarden | Work to live; /\ Hope College | Live to bike; _`\ `_<=== Holland MI 49423 | Bike to work! __(_)/_(_)___.-._ voice : (616)355-7120 | http://www.cs.hope.edu/~rvaniwaa/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 08:03:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16372 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16367 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.usorder.com(204.4.28.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016365; Thu, 1 May 97 08:03:50 -0400 Received: (from shutdown@localhost) by fw.usorder.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) id IAA15716 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:31:02 -0400 Received: from reddog.intelidata.com(192.168.40.1) by fw.usorder.com via smap (V2.0beta) id xma015714; Thu, 1 May 97 08:30:38 -0400 Received: from distribution.usorder.com by usorder.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17905; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:09:06 -0400 Received: from totoro.usorder.com by distribution.usorder.com (8.6.12/ADD-KEV-4.1) id GAA06643; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:09:32 -0600 Received: by totoro.usorder.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5607.5B2F0820@totoro.usorder.com>; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC5607.5B2F0820@totoro.usorder.com> From: Shaun Stuart To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:11:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've finally got my firewall problems straightened out (thanks to those = that helped me!) and now my Pentium-166 at work joins my 486-66 at home = in the search. I do have one question about this effort in general - How does the = program know when the correct key has been found? Presumably, if someone = were trying keys by hand, they'd look at the output and, if it was = unreadable, they'd know it wasn't the right key. But how does a program = decide? Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 08:19:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16424 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16419 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com(129.197.2.20) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016417; Thu, 1 May 97 08:19:37 -0400 Received: from swflantdns by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id FAA01932; Thu, 1 May 1997 05:27:29 -0700 Received: from swfmail (swfmail.swflant.lmsc.lockheed.com [155.189.1.143]) by swflantdns (SMI-8.6/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA08556 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:32:23 -0400 Received: by swfmail with Microsoft Mail id <3368B522@swfmail>; Thu, 01 May 97 08:22:10 PDT From: "Zuschlag, Fred N." <694047@swfmail.swflant.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: FW: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 01 May 97 08:21:00 PDT Message-ID: <3368B522@swfmail> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Because the way RSA setup the challenge, the data begins with a known pattern. Fred.Zuschlag@lmco.com ---------- From: owner-deschall-announce[SMTP:owner-deschall-announce@gatekeeper.megasoft. com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 8:11 AM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Just how does it know? I've finally got my firewall problems straightened out (thanks to those = that helped me!) and now my Pentium-166 at work joins my 486-66 at home = in the search. I do have one question about this effort in general - How does the = program know when the correct key has been found? Presumably, if someone = were trying keys by hand, they'd look at the output and, if it was = unreadable, they'd know it wasn't the right key. But how does a program = decide? Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 08:40:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16576 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16571 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016568; Thu, 1 May 97 08:40:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21016 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:48:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: <01BC5607.5B2F0820@totoro.usorder.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Shaun Stuart wrote: > >I do have one question about this effort in general - How does the >program know when the correct key has been found? Presumably, if someone >were trying keys by hand, they'd look at the output and, if it was >unreadable, they'd know it wasn't the right key. But how does a program >decide? >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase "The unknown message is: ". If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be the right key. -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 09:27:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17158 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17153 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.usorder.com(204.4.28.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017151; Thu, 1 May 97 09:26:48 -0400 Received: (from shutdown@localhost) by fw.usorder.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) id JAA18480 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:54:03 -0400 Received: from reddog.intelidata.com(192.168.40.1) by fw.usorder.com via smap (V2.0beta) id xma018476; Thu, 1 May 97 09:54:00 -0400 Received: from distribution.usorder.com by usorder.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA20215; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:32:25 -0400 Received: from totoro.usorder.com by distribution.usorder.com (8.6.12/ADD-KEV-4.1) id HAA06871; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:32:52 -0600 Received: by totoro.usorder.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com>; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:35:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> From: Shaun Stuart To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: RE: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:35:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: > For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by > three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase > "The unknown message is: ". >If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be >the right key. Oh yeah.. Duh! :-) I guess sometimes it's easy to fire off a message than to think things through. I hang my head in shame. Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 09:53:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17587 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17576 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017570; Thu, 1 May 97 09:52:46 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id KAA29928; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029923; Thu, 1 May 97 10:02:30 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22288; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011359.JAA22288@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" Cc: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Status report and 0.9 years In-Reply-To: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> References: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Ron" == Ronald Van Iwaarden writes: Ron> Any guesses as to why our key rate is not around Ron> 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of really slow machines Ron> joining in? Not slow machines, but slow clients, yes. Hopefully, these will be remedied in the not so distant future :-> -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 09:56:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17608 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17603 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hops.cs.jhu.edu(128.220.13.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017601; Thu, 1 May 97 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (slipcon@localhost) by hops.cs.jhu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05717 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Lipcon To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: > > For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by > > three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase > > "The unknown message is: ". > >If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be > >the right key. This also brings up a point as to how useful it would be to break DES encryption. If I encrypt a message with a 56 bit key, and you have no idea what the first 24 characters are, you really have no way of telling when you manage to pick the right key. I guess this falls under the "lets not put that in the press release" catagory :) Scott From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 10:15:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17769 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17764 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017761; Thu, 1 May 97 10:15:31 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07044 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11494 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from dreamland.me.mtu.edu (weage@dreamland.me.mtu.edu [141.219.24.32]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id KAA11627 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:23 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by dreamland.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id KAA04337 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011423.KAA04337@dreamland.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Key checking method To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:23:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I was thinking about how the deschal client checks keys. I am not familliar cryptography, so I don't know if this will work. My guess is that the client cycles through each key and attempts to decode the complete message. Is it possible just to decode the first couple of characters, and then if those match, decode the entire message? Again, I have no idea if this can be done with DES. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 10:21:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17849 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17841 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.genesis.ezlink.com(199.45.150.245) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017837; Thu, 1 May 97 10:20:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 3400 invoked by uid 501); 1 May 1997 14:29:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:28:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Matt Clauson To: Starling cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 1 May 1997, Starling wrote: > 1) Would it be possible to make linux boot disks that boot a machine and > load the necesary stuff into a RAM disk so that the machine would > automatically run the client until a given time and then reboot? > If so, I might be able to comandeer a computer lab full of P200s. Yeah. The Linux client is fairly small, so building a bootdisk wouldn't be too much of a problem at all. > 2) Lets say your machine takes 30 minutes to run 2^28 key pairs, however > this is a dialup machine. Lets say you only want to dial up once every > 12 hours. Would it be possible to run 24 instances of the linux > [excess deleted] I'm not familiar enough with the program to give anywhere near a proper answer to this, sorry. > 3) Is it worth it to put any 386-class machines onto this? I have a few > 386s sitting around idle where I work that could crank away at their > little pace 24/7. Or would they somehow tie up the server or not > contribute enough to bother setting up with linux? Yeah, put Linux on them. Every CPU cycle you can spare helps the cause. > 4) What's the best way to keep track of your logs on a unix machine? > Since the client doesn't close the file until the client exits, > I presume that you can't mail the output unless you exit the client > occasionally, right? I'm using nohup here to run the programs, then I just 'tail -f nohup.out'. > 5) What text can I grep for on the very odd chance that a machine of mine > finds the solution? If the program on your end finds it, it will stop running. just look at the end of the log. ;) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2ioqPA2dQTrNiqdAQF7jwQAjEu3/Nesn3H7rSauYOPqSrpqmk1z90EX wN3Fj7Df5x/JtMKZjwKxi2xuwdSah870F2rJFnS6V1UbEaSWCYdef2aFE96WYJ+g 4aBQ60kGI9rnEWuQAOZrzf6491Jt8O7Ah+d5vjXpKDDjcUC5mu69FSGTydOdFlPZ 0KVA9fU8QMw= =ebLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 10:59:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18235 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18227 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018222; Thu, 1 May 97 10:59:14 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA22650; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:07:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA26155; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: Scott Lipcon cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Scott Lipcon wrote: > This also brings up a point as to how useful it would be to break DES > encryption. If I encrypt a message with a 56 bit key, and you have no > idea what the first 24 characters are, you really have no way of telling > when you manage to pick the right key. But you would often have a good idea. If I DES encrypted a text file, the odds of a key decoding the first block to all text is rather low. If we just check for alphanumeric characters in the first block or two, that's probably good enough. A human (or AI program) can sift through the results to be sure. This would be a little slower, but the net effect is the same. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 (Key to RSA's RC5/12/6 Challenge) From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:05:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18327 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18316 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018308; Thu, 1 May 97 11:05:08 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA30068; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:13:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:13:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199705011513.LAA30068@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> From: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) To: Scott Lipcon Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Just how does it know? In-Reply-To: References: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >This also brings up a point as to how useful it would be to break DES >encryption. If I encrypt a message with a 56 bit key, and you have no >idea what the first 24 characters are, you really have no way of telling >when you manage to pick the right key. Most practical encryption scenarios involve some amount of known plaintext. Packet headers, file formats, etc. It's very difficult to get a message to have perfect entropy. So the challenge is realistic. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:09:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18430 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18420 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu(141.209.1.16) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018412; Thu, 1 May 97 11:08:58 -0400 Received: from [153.35.112.102] by CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 01 May 97 11:15:43 EDT X-Sender: 3yt7knq@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400 To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" From: "Charles E. Novitski" Subject: newcomer Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out after 10-15 minutes of no communication? I am using DESChallMac.601 (or .604), and connect to the internet by modem. It appears to log onto keymaster.verser.frii.com, to get an assignment of keys to check. The first task is 2^22 complementary pairs, and after completion it appears to report back that no key was found. With each successive task the number of pairs increases. If other internet activity is quiet, then when the task takes longer than the time-out period, then the process is disrupted. The way the program is written, the only control seems to be the preference file. Is there a way of user controlling the number of pairs per task? (This would prevent being timed out. Flat rate connection, but internet provider might not be happy with long periods of connection.) Or being allowed to go offline to calculate and then online later to report? Or should modem connections be avoided. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:25:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18590 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18585 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018580; Thu, 1 May 97 11:24:45 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA15161; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:33:26 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199705011533.IAA15161@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Re: Export laws revisited To: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705011505.LAA30029@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> from "Nelson Minar" at May 1, 97 11:05:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > >But many people have been visited by men in trenchcoats > >and mirrored sunglasses and told that they'd BETTER take that crypto > >software off their ftp sites, or Uncle Sam will be VERY pissed off. > > They have? > > I agree with everything you've said. I've just never heard of visits > by MIB before. The most famous, and widely reported, was the university (don't have the name on the tip of my tongue right now) that developed Mosaic, the first true web browser. They got a visit because one of their upgrades had hooks for PGP services. No actual crypto code, just hooks. Or talk to Netscape, who took over a year to satisfy the US requirements for a 'secure' download site, so that they could give US citizens 128 bit encryption capabilities in their various products. BTW I've never heard of them harassing any of the so-called 'secure' sites, no matter how weak their protections against evil foreigners. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:30:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18666 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18653 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018641; Thu, 1 May 97 11:29:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id LAA01042 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001040; Thu, 1 May 97 11:39:46 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22710; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011536.LAA22710@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: deschall client distribution problem fixed (I hope :-) X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018711; Thu, 1 May 97 11:36:05 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10907 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28192 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id LAA13400 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:26 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id LAA23653 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27708 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id LAA13365 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:41:50 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id LAA23546 for weage@mtu.edu; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011542.LAA23546@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Key checking method To: weage@mtu.edu (Joshua Weage) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199705011423.KAA04337@dreamland.me.mtu.edu> from Joshua Weage at "May 1, 97 10:23:43 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Followup on my own message. I looked through some of the Cryptography stuff on RSA and saw that this can't be done. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:46:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18792 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18787 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tvd0074.urh.uiuc.edu(128.174.162.83) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018784; Thu, 1 May 97 11:46:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (betka@localhost) by tvd0074.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06473 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:54:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:54:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Corey Betka Reply-To: betka@uiuc.edu To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Export laws revisited In-Reply-To: <199705011533.IAA15161@goblin.punk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Jeff Simmons wrote: > > > > >But many people have been visited by men in trenchcoats > > >and mirrored sunglasses and told that they'd BETTER take that crypto > > >software off their ftp sites, or Uncle Sam will be VERY pissed off. > > > > They have? > > > > I agree with everything you've said. I've just never heard of visits > > by MIB before. > > The most famous, and widely reported, was the university (don't have the > name on the tip of my tongue right now) that developed Mosaic, the first > true web browser. They got a visit because one of their upgrades had > hooks for PGP services. No actual crypto code, just hooks. Not hard to find the name of the university that developed Mosaic, just look at the top of the DESchal stats! Thats right The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. As for MIB visits, it's kinda hard not to notice them on this campus, with an NCSA branch here. > Or talk to Netscape, who took over a year to satisfy the US requirements > for a 'secure' download site, so that they could give US citizens 128 bit > encryption capabilities in their various products. Hmm, netscape is owned by Marc Andressen, right? Another U of I grad and former NCSA employee, maybe they are holding a grudge? This is all off topic, so I will end here. Corey "Takes two to make three, but one ain't here Still chasing women and drinking beer." --"Welfare Music" by The Bottle Rockets From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 11:51:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18844 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18839 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.fd1.uc.edu(129.137.244.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018837; Thu, 1 May 97 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from [129.137.32.4] (super.bch.uc.edu [129.137.32.4]) by email.UC.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA28217 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:08 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Richard Prairie Subject: Hiding Deschal5.exe Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I've just subscribed to this list, checked the FAQ, and wonder if this issue has been solved by any list members. We have put a batch job on our lab server which runs Deschal5 using Windows NT 4.0 on our pentium machines, redirecting the output to a log in temp. When the program starts up we get the selftest message, minimize the window, and away we go. However, when a student goes to use the computer, he/she frequently stops Deschal5, since it's listed at the bottom of the screen. The lab attendent then (sometimes) restarts it when the machine is no longer in use. Has anyone come up with a script which will start Deschal5 when the machine is turned on, and hides it from the typical user? I would expect that the Task Manager would show it's presence, but that the desktop window would not. We could get a lot more idle cycles devoted to searching for keys if Deschal5 were not obvious. Rick Prairie Senior Software Engineer, C.I.T.S., U. of Cincinnati Phone: 513-556-9041 FAX 513-556-1208 "There's no way in HTML to do that!" From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:21:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19154 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19149 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from locutus.cso.uiuc.edu(130.126.112.144) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019147; Thu, 1 May 97 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-cook@localhost) by locutus.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA05350; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:29:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: locutus.cso.uiuc.edu: c-cook owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:29:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Kees Cook Reply-To: Kees Cook To: Richard Prairie cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-PGP: Should fill this in sometime MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Richard Prairie wrote: > Has anyone come up with a script which will start Deschal5 when the machine > is turned on, and hides it from the typical user? I would expect that the > Task Manager would show it's presence, but that the desktop window would > not. We could get a lot more idle cycles devoted to searching for keys if > Deschal5 were not obvious. In the NT resource kit, you want to grab the stuff associated with "AUTOEXNT". Here is a slightly edited version of what Corey Betka put together for our NT machines at UIUC: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Okay, the way I hide the process is to start it as an autoexnt.bat file. The resource kit comes with a util that installs a service that runs the %SYSTEMROOT%\autoexnt.bat file just like an autoexec.bat file does for a DOS machine (or like rc.local does on RedHat for the more linux friendlies) I've got a batch file written to install it, and I'm sure we could work out an open share or something similiar to install it from. Heres the installation batch file: REM INSTALL.BAT Begin copy \\Machine\deschall\install\*.* %SYSTEMROOT%\system32 mkdir c:\deschall copy \\Machine\deschall\*.exe c:\deschall \\Machine\deschall\instexnt install net start autoexnt REM End This requires that the following files be in this dir structure: \\Machine\deschall\install\ autoexnt.bat autoexnt.exe servmess.dll \\Machine\deschall deschal4.exe deschal5.exe deschal6.exe instexnt.exe The autoexnt.bat file contains the following: REM AUTOEXNT.BAT Begin c:\deschall\deschal%PROCESSOR_LEVEL% keymaster.verser.frii.com > c:\deschall\log.txt REM End This would require admin access on the machines, you need it to install a service. In the above structure, you'd have to replace "Machine" with your NT server, and I'd reccomend using the hidden shares. I can place the needed files in an anonymous FTP server if you find that the above scheme will work. The upshot of this scheme is that any time the machine gets rebooted or restarted, deschal starts right back up.... If you don't have admin access, I think you may be SOL as for an automatic way to start it.... ---end message -- Cornelius "Kees" Cook c-cook@uiuc.edu http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/c-cook All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:40:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19379 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19374 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imssc2.sc.intel.com(143.183.152.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019371; Thu, 1 May 97 12:40:38 -0400 Received: from td2cad.intel.com by imssc2.sc.intel.com (8.8.4/10.0i); Thu, 1 May 1997 16:48:57 GMT Received: from zaskar2 (zaskar2.oc.intel.com [172.31.154.194]) by td2cad.intel.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13265; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3368C8AE.4A6E@td2cad.intel.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:45:35 -0700 From: Bret Stastny Reply-To: bstastnX@td2cad.intel.com Organization: Intel Corp X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Prairie CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > We have put a batch job on our lab server which runs Deschal5 using Windows > NT 4.0 on our pentium machines, redirecting the output to a log in temp. > When the program starts up we get the selftest message, minimize the > window, and away we go. However, when a student goes to use the computer, > he/she frequently stops Deschal5, since it's listed at the bottom of the > screen. The lab attendent then (sometimes) restarts it when the machine is > no longer in use. Hi, There is a great program I am working with that basically runs a autoexec.bat where you put the DESCHAL client in the .bat file. You can see the program on the taskmanager but you do not see it anywhere on the desk top. Other advantages are that no one has to be logged on and it always restarts on reboot. The files you want to find are: autoexnt.bat autoexnt.exe autoexnt.txt instdesc.bat instexnt.exe servmess.dll I can not get them to you :(, maybe the person that originaly posted this could repost the information to the group. bret From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:49:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19471 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19466 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019463; Thu, 1 May 97 12:49:18 -0400 Received: from swsip1-06.ionet.net (swsip1-06.ionet.net [207.204.108.16]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13835; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:57:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "Charles E. Novitski" , "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: newcomer Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400, Charles E. Novitski wrote: >What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >after 10-15 minutes of no communication? My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 minutes and leave it open. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 12:52:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19503 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19494 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019488; Thu, 1 May 97 12:52:32 -0400 Received: from swsip1-06.ionet.net (swsip1-06.ionet.net [207.204.108.16]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14790 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705011700.MAA14790@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 11:57:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 12:00:08 -0400, Richard Prairie wrote: >Hi, > >I've just subscribed to this list, checked the FAQ, and wonder if this >issue has been solved by any list members. > >We have put a batch job on our lab server which runs Deschal5 using Windows >NT 4.0 on our pentium machines, redirecting the output to a log in temp. >When the program starts up we get the selftest message, minimize the >window, and away we go. However, when a student goes to use the computer, >he/she frequently stops Deschal5, since it's listed at the bottom of the >screen. The lab attendent then (sometimes) restarts it when the machine is >no longer in use. > >Has anyone come up with a script which will start Deschal5 when the machine >is turned on, and hides it from the typical user? I would expect that the >Task Manager would show it's presence, but that the desktop window would >not. We could get a lot more idle cycles devoted to searching for keys if >Deschal5 were not obvious. While you're at it, does anyone know of a good way to do it in OS/2 (make it not show up in the task list). Maybe then some people could put it in startup.cmd files across their networks. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:05:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19615 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19608 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.24.161.50) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019601; Thu, 1 May 97 13:04:54 -0400 Received: from usr001.USR.COM (149.112.163.71) by einstein.pcd.usr.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 May 1997 12:09:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970501170212.006936b8@einstein.pcd.usr.com> X-Sender: jgaetz@einstein.pcd.usr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 12:02:12 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Johnathan P. Gaetz" Subject: Ultrasparc specific client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd post a note about the new (for me, anyways) Ultrasparc client I just found on Dolske's DESCHALL Client Archive. Prior to running this client I was running the "Supersparc" client and it was clicking off between 610k and 640k keys/second. The ultra-specific client is giving me between 670k and 700k keys/second. That's not a huge jump, but 24/7 its certainly going to add up. Now if I can only get optimized clients for my other non-traditional machines. I'd like to be able to overtake ibm.com 8P Johnathan Gaetz Beta Engineer From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:06:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19633 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19628 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019626; Thu, 1 May 97 13:06:01 -0400 Received: from cl4-p3 (cl4-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.230]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10264 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:14:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:14:20 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe Message-Id: <862506860-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862506860-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > While you're at it, does anyone know of a good way to do it in OS/2 > (make it not show up in the task list). Maybe then some people could > put it in startup.cmd files across their networks. Try "detach deschal? keymaster.verser.frii.com" From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:20:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19779 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19774 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019772; Thu, 1 May 97 13:20:31 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA456455 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:28:51 GMT Message-Id: <199705011728.RAA456455@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-89-148.nc.us.ibm.net(166.72.89.148) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaFecDe7; Thu May 1 17:28:45 1997 From: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Thu, 01 May 97 13:28:07 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> Subject: Re: newcomer X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net>, on 05/01/97 at 11:54 AM, "Colin L. Hildinger" said: >On Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400, Charles E. Novitski wrote: >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 minutes and >leave it open. Or use a web page that refreshes ifself. Or use the INJOY dialer to 'dial on demand'. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! And the Magic Continues! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For all your Web Space / Web Pages Design / Web Site Manager Software / Web Servers needs..... http://www.adgrafix.com/info/mforteii/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 13:26:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19857 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19842 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019835; Thu, 1 May 97 13:26:05 -0400 Received: from cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu (schnem@cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu [128.113.18.113]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA221234; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:23 -0400 From: Matthew Schnee Received: (schnem@localhost) by cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id NAA48320; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199705011734.NAA48320@cii3130-13.its.rpi.edu> Subject: Re: Hiding Deschal5.exe To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: schnem@rpi.edu In-Reply-To: <862506860-0-andrew@chatlink.com> from "Andrew James Alan Welty" at May 1, 97 10:14:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > > While you're at it, does anyone know of a good way to do it in OS/2 > > (make it not show up in the task list). Maybe then some people could > > put it in startup.cmd files across their networks. > > Try "detach deschal? keymaster.verser.frii.com" > You will want to redirect the output to a file so try "detach deschal? keymaster.verser.frii.com >> output.log 2>&1" This will append the output from the program to the existing log file and redirect stderr (the "selftest passed" message) to the log file as well. Matthew Schnee From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 14:20:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20188 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20183 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xanadu.io.com(199.170.88.6) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020177; Thu, 1 May 97 14:19:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (timur@localhost) by xanadu.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29771 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:28:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: xanadu.io.com: timur owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:28:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Timur Tabi To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: newcomer In-Reply-To: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: >On Thu, 1 May 1997 11:05:26 -0400, Charles E. Novitski wrote: > >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 >minutes and leave it open. An adjustable ping program will do this also. Under OS/2, this would be PMPING.EXE.. -- Timur Tabi, timur@io.com, http://www.io.com/~timur/index.html THE OS/2 Programming Page: http://www.edm2.com/common/links.html ... In Windows 95, no one can hear you scream From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:14:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20822 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20814 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from is.isoc.net(207.123.68.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020811; Thu, 1 May 97 15:13:56 -0400 Received: from noggle.isoc.net (noggle.isoc.net [207.123.68.210]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id na023881 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:23:33 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Just how does it know? Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:21:33 GMT Message-ID: <336aec8e.71475825@mail.isoc.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 07:48:35 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >From http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/index.html: > For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by > three known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase > "The unknown message is: ". >If a key encrypts the first 24 characters correctly, I imagine it will be >the right key. Well considering that DES is a 64 bit cypher, I hope it doesn't check the first 24 characters, but the first 8 to see if they en/decrypt correctly (I don't know if he's going from plaintext to cyphertext or the other way around), and then checking the rest if it ends up being the same. If he checked the first 24 characters all the time then it would waste time in multiple en/decryptions. Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:16:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20873 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20868 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from is.isoc.net(207.123.68.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020866; Thu, 1 May 97 15:16:16 -0400 Received: from noggle.isoc.net (noggle.isoc.net [207.123.68.210]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id pa023883 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:25:56 -0400 To: "Colin L. Hildinger" Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:23:56 GMT Message-ID: <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> References: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> In-Reply-To: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 >minutes and leave it open. I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and figured out I should try another approach. Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:42:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21133 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21123; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011942.PAA21123@gatekeeper.megasoft.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Majordomo@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Welcome to deschall-announce Reply-To: Majordomo@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -- Welcome to the deschall-announce mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe deschall-announce deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: The deschall list is for announcements of the DESCHALL Effort, an answer to the RSA Data Security, Inc., DES Challenge. More information on the DES contest, and the entire RSA Crypto Challenge can be found on the web at http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/ This effort's home page can be found at http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm Project Mailing List archives are available at http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/archive/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:49:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21221 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21210 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lib.oru.edu(205.143.139.34) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021199; Thu, 1 May 97 15:49:18 -0400 Received: from brian.oru.edu (brian.oru.edu [205.143.137.65]) by lib.oru.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09859; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3368F5AD.BF8A2861@oru.edu> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:57:33 -0500 From: Brian Young Organization: Oral Roberts University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: noggle@isoc.net, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk noggle@isoc.net wrote: > > On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: > > >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out > >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > > > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 > >minutes and leave it open. > > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with > only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to > keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and > figured out I should try another approach. Hey, if they are selling you a unlimited account..... -- byoung@oru.edu Brian Young Internet Systems Admin Oral Roberts University From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 15:58:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21309 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21304 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.is.tcu.edu(138.237.128.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021302; Thu, 1 May 97 15:58:48 -0400 Received: from riogrande.cs.tcu.edu (TCUCS6.CS.TCU.EDU) by ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #20456) id <01IICYFYJVKW000811@ALPHA.IS.TCU.EDU> for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 01 May 1997 15:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [138.237.128.62] (rinewalt) by riogrande.cs.tcu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25453; Thu, 01 May 1997 15:07:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 15:07:03 -0500 From: Dick Rinewalt Subject: Re: newcomer In-reply-to: X-Sender: rinewalt@gamma.is.tcu.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 10:05 AM -0500 on 5/1/97, Charles E. Novitski wrote: >I am using DESChallMac.601 (or .604), and connect to the internet by modem. What is DESChallMac.601? A Macintosh client? If so, where can I get a copy? Dick From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:02:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21392 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21386 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021382; Thu, 1 May 97 16:01:52 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id QAA03563; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003561; Thu, 1 May 97 16:11:47 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23476; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012008.QAA23476@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Dick Rinewalt Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer In-Reply-To: References: <01BC5612.FEE127E0@totoro.usorder.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Dick" == Dick Rinewalt writes: Dick> What is DESChallMac.601? A Macintosh client? If so, where can I Dick> get a copy? http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/des-dist/ -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:06:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21435 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21430 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu(18.72.1.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021428; Thu, 1 May 97 16:06:38 -0400 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18614; Thu, 1 May 97 16:14:58 EDT Received: from HIGHLAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08298; Thu, 1 May 97 15:14:57 EST Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970501161428.00a97e80@po7.mit.edu> X-Sender: zudark@po7.mit.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:14:28 -0400 To: From: "Ethan M. O'Connor" Subject: Re: Status report and 0.9 years In-Reply-To: <199705011125.LAA462759@out1.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 07:25 AM 5/1/97, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: > >I have been watching the status report for the last five of days and >we have been sitting at about 0.9 years with around 107409238392832 >keys per day. This has been true in spite of the number of machines >increasing by at least 25% (who knows how many machines are behind >some of the gateways) over the last five days. Any guesses as to why >our key rate is not around 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of >really slow machines joining in? The rate/machine is typically also quite a bit lower during the week, looking at past weeks; I guess that's for two reasons: Machines only running at night during the week, but all day on the weekend; machines actually getting used for something other than DESCHALL (gasp!) -Ethan O'Connor From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:11:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21490 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21485 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:11:49 -0400 (EDT) From: speed@ns.connext.net Received: from connext.net(207.42.196.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021482; Thu, 1 May 97 16:11:28 -0400 Received: from trident ([204.177.148.138]) by ns.connext.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13605 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012019.QAA13605@ns.connext.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:19:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ISP hassles Reply-to: speed@connext.net In-reply-to: <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> References: <199705011657.LAA13835@mail.ionet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Ask your ISP if he would like to assist us and run the client software on some of their systems, then :) You never know until you try. - Mark On 1 May 97 at 19:23, noggle@isoc.net wrote: > On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: > > >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out > >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > > > >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 > >minutes and leave it open. > > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 > hours with only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do > something every 5 minutes to keep me online... He kicked me off. > It redialed. I got that message and figured out I should try > another approach. > > Jason Gmoser > noggle@isoc.net > From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:35:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21817 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21812 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.121.101.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021808; Thu, 1 May 97 16:35:18 -0400 Received: (from paonia@localhost) by exon.massart.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA03601; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:43:29 -0400 From: Paonia Ezrine Message-Id: <199705012043.QAA03601@exon.massart.edu> Subject: other ports To: dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu (Justin Dolske) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Justin Dolske" at Apr 27, 97 12:33:40 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It was asked a while back if other port where needed. a windows 3.1 port would be helpful. It would be slower but better then nothing. thanks paonia -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paonia Ezrine | Mass Art | | paonia@massart.edu | 621 Huntington Ave | | 617-232-1555 ext 357 | Boston, MA 02115 | | 617-566-4034 (fax) | www.massart.edu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:39:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21863 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21845 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.genesis.ezlink.com(199.45.150.245) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021832; Thu, 1 May 97 16:38:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 3743 invoked by uid 501); 1 May 1997 20:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:45:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Matt Clauson To: noggle@isoc.net cc: "Colin L. Hildinger" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: newcomer In-Reply-To: <336bed76.71707904@mail.isoc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 1 May 1997 noggle@isoc.net wrote: > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with > only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to > keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and > figured out I should try another approach. Mirror the entire WUarchive over 14k4? ;) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2kBCPA2dQTrNiqdAQHaKwQAjU8j4gMDNsLfpc2/XAkkTTL5UT6LwVjZ lcgVejMA/8ysNYlrM6YdYTJz0zsOpJHqsE6eByX4TWsPwswFvAFW1D7DTaqanUe2 lhl8Ni+Rm5GPEJxegzonMiGcL425lJwyH0SuRrgrcRMg5VY5SuQAs+YOWjxGnfyk o1uJGiDJJko= =/ewr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 16:52:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22007 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22000 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021996; Thu, 1 May 97 16:51:53 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA468110 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:00:09 GMT Message-Id: <199705012100.VAA468110@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-89-198.nc.us.ibm.net(166.72.89.198) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smajxIDFW; Thu May 1 20:54:12 1997 From: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Thu, 01 May 97 16:40:34 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705012019.QAA13605@ns.connext.net> Subject: Re: ISP hassles X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >On 1 May 97 at 19:23, noggle@isoc.net wrote: >> On Thu, 01 May 97 11:54:05 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >> >>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? >> > >> >My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 >> >minutes and leave it open. >> >> I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 >> hours with only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do >> something every 5 minutes to keep me online... He kicked me off. >> It redialed. I got that message and figured out I should try >> another approach. >> Yes, like finding another ISP. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! And the Magic Continues! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For all your Web Space / Web Pages Design / Web Site Manager Software / Web Servers needs..... http://www.adgrafix.com/info/mforteii/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 17:13:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22207 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22200 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022196; Thu, 1 May 97 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from cl8-p4 (cl8-p4.chatlink.com [205.139.105.190]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22904 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:21:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:21:38 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: newcomer Message-Id: <862521698-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862521698-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I did that and my ISP admin got mad ;) He said that I was online 17 hours with > only 5 megs downloaded and was having something do something every 5 minutes to > keep me online... He kicked me off. It redialed. I got that message and > figured out I should try another approach. EMail yourself a 12 megabyte file, this would take about 1 hour (assuming 28,800bps) to get to the mail server, then another hour to get back to you, giving you about 24 megabytes worth of transfer. Adjust to need, larger/smaller file(s). From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 17:21:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22271 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22266 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.galstar.com(204.251.80.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022263; Thu, 1 May 97 17:20:39 -0400 Received: (from sbright@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05366 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:28:53 -0500 (CDT) From: rot Message-Id: <199705012128.QAA05366@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: People confusing DES w RC5 and other stuff To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:28:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been trying to drum support up from people I know around the net. I forwared them the Computer Underground Digest blurb but didnt get any "wow cool" response like i expected to get. They seem to think this is about RC5, that the blurb is about 'high power' computers like mainframes, that it takes a lot of disk space to run, or that it takes some kind of super computer to run. I would love to see in the future press releases some more "concreteness" to display just how easy it is to download the client and set it up. Ill keep trying to bug my friends, Im crossing my fingers i wont have to explain how to give the program a server name on the command line. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 17:21:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22286 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22281 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022279; Thu, 1 May 97 17:21:29 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id RAA04329 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004327; Thu, 1 May 97 17:31:06 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23814; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012127.RAA23814@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: List Administrativia: deschall and deschall-announce X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from protos.lifesci.ucla.edu(164.67.8.70) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022511; Thu, 1 May 97 17:46:53 -0400 Received: from localhost by protos.lifesci.ucla.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA16562; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:55:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: TC Lai To: "Ethan M. O'Connor" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Status report and 0.9 years In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970501161428.00a97e80@po7.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Ethan M. O'Connor wrote: > At 07:25 AM 5/1/97, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: > > > >I have been watching the status report for the last five of days and > >we have been sitting at about 0.9 years with around 107409238392832 > >keys per day. This has been true in spite of the number of machines > >increasing by at least 25% (who knows how many machines are behind > >some of the gateways) over the last five days. Any guesses as to why > >our key rate is not around 135000000000000 keys per day? Lots of > >really slow machines joining in? Not only that, but dialup users on dynamic addressing get counted as separate clients each time they dial in to grab a keyblock. UCLA currently is listed as having 60+ clients, but I suspect that my gateway machine (on PPP) is responsible for 20-30 of those IP addresses (any UCLA people care to comment?) If you look at the UCLA stats, the number of clients jumps after day 61, when I got my Mac clients and started running them. This would of course, dilute the average number of keys, and if there really aren't that many *new* machines joining in, would account for why our total key rate isn't increasing in accordance. TC From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 18:56:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22829 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22822 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.gundaker.com(199.217.206.98) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022793; Thu, 1 May 97 18:55:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00615 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:01:22 GMT Received: from mona.gundaker.com(199.217.155.104) by gatekeeper.gundaker.com via smap id xma000612; Thu, 1 May 97 18:01:13 GMT Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:05:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: DESCHALL Linux Bootdisk mini-HOWTO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk DECHALL Linux bootdisk mini-HOWTO v0.01 ALPHA! - May 1 1997 Stuart Stock This document is distributed under the GPL 0.0 COPYRIGHT AND LEGAL CLUTTER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------ DISCLAIMER: Your mileage may vary. This works for me but if it blows your machine up it's not my fault. I have tried to assemble accurate instructions on how to do this, but bear in mind this is a rushed job and intended as a guideline only. This information is provided free of charge and comes with no warranty! All responsibility lies with the user of this document. The author disclaims any and all responsibility for damages arising from the use or misuse of the provided information. ------------------------------------------------------ This document is Copyright (c) 1997 Stuart Stock. It is distributed under the GNU Public License. Everyone is permitted to make verbatim copies of this document. Changing it is not allowed. New versions will be posted to the deschall mailing lists as they become available. If you find an error, or have a suggested improvement, please mail stuart@gundaker.com. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS: I'm sorry, but I will not be able to help you with problems you might have. There is a wealth of information in the Linux Documentation Project HOWTO's and FAQ's as well as the Cramdisk docs. Please consult those, this is something I'm doing in my (very limited) spare time. 0.1 PURPOSE ~~~~~~~~~~~ There have been a number of requests for a Linux boot disk to use at night on spare machines. This document will provide instructions on how to create a customized boot disk for your site. These instructions are NOT for the newbie. You must be comfortable with manipulating disk partitions, modifying system startup files, and configuring network devices. Once you are done, you will have a bootdisk that supports any network (Ethernet and PPP), SCSI, or other devices needed to boot the system correctly. Right now, there are no pre-made generic bootdisks. I haven't taken a look at Cramdisk's license to see if that would be permitted (it's GPL'ed so I imagine it would be okay). If there is a demand, I will make some generic bootdisks available if someone will provide a FTP site. 1.0 INTRO ~~~~~~~~~ The disk you are going to create is made possible by the really excellent Cramdisk RAM disk loader. Please take a look at the READMEs in the cramdisk distribution for information on the authors and MUCH more detailed instructions than I can provide here. If you get confused by my instructions, take a look at the cramdisk documentation. You'll need the following: - A Linux 2.X.X box that you have root permission on - A 3.5" floppy drive - Kernel source and gcc - A spare disk partition (see the info below) - cramdisk-2.0.8MB.net.tgz from Sunsite or a mirror ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/recovery/images/ Note - The cramdisk image that we will be modifying assumes that the client machine has at least 8MB of memory. I have yet to meet a Pentium with 4 megs, but you can try the 4MB cramdisk image file if you want. I haven't used it and don't know if it will work. 2.0 LET'S DO IT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.1 - Find an extra partition ------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the trickiest step of the whole process. The cramdisk image, cramdisk.8MB, is a complete compressed filesystem. To modify it, it needs to be decompressed to a drive partition and mounted as a normal filesystem. The partition only needs to be 4 megs or so. I suggest the following: - If you have multiple swap partitions, unmount one and use it temporarily. - If you don't mind the hassle, boot to DOS and use FIPS - If you have plenty of real memory, unmount your current swap partition temporarily. - Donate that old FAT partition running Windoze ;-) - If you can suffer with a little less memory for a few minutes, create a 4MB ramdisk. *** WARNING: The partition you choose will be ERASED COMPLETELY *** *** ANY DATA ON THE PARTITION IS LOST FOREVER!!! *** Using a swap partition works great. You won't even have to change the partition type in fdisk. Just remember to run mkswap and swapon after you're all done to re-enable your swap space. Note: You'll have to specify the blocksize of the partition to mkswap when you recreate it. Get that info from fdisk. You do not need to create a file system on the spare partition. Just allocate it for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.2 - Extract the files ------------------------------------------------------------------ After you have downloaded cramdisk-2.0.8MB.net.tgz make a temporary directory and extract the files. Change to the cramdisk directory and it should look like this: # ls -l total 1507 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9324 Oct 19 1996 README.howto -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7043 Oct 19 1996 README.what2mod -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42587 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk-2.0.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk.8MB extract the cramdisk-2.0.tgz file also: # ls -l total 1606 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17976 Oct 17 1996 COPYING -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9324 Oct 19 1996 README.howto -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15524 Oct 17 1996 README.orig -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7043 Oct 19 1996 README.what2mod -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3497 Oct 17 1996 config.cram.net -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3335 Oct 17 1996 config.cram.ppa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42587 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk-2.0.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk.8MB -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 623 Oct 7 1996 cramon -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4855 Oct 19 1996 filelist.8MB -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4748 Oct 19 1996 filelist.lynx -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4581 Oct 19 1996 filelist.net -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4428 Oct 18 1996 filelist.ppa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1618 Oct 19 1996 make2fsz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 560 Oct 19 1996 makedist.8MB -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 555 Oct 19 1996 makedist.lynx -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 560 Oct 19 1996 makedist.net -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 565 Oct 19 1996 makedist.ppa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1589 Oct 7 1996 makefsz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8232 Oct 7 1996 ramdisk.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 872 Oct 7 1996 readfsz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13248 Oct 17 1996 tzx100.tgz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1085 Oct 7 1996 writefsz ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.3 - Build a custom kernel (if needed) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The stock cramdisk image comes with support for ppp, 3c509, and NE2000 network cards. If your client uses PPP or a 3Com or NE2000 compatible network card, skip to the next section (2.0.4). Otherwise, before you get busy with the next few steps, start the compile of your custom kernel. If you don't know how to compile a kernel, consult the Kernel-HOWTO. ** Make sure to add RAM Disk support ** Initial RAM disk support (initrd) is not needed, just the regular stuff. Include all drivers you need for the proper operation of your clients, but don't over do it! Keep the kernel as small as possible (sorry, soundcard support is out ;-). ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.4 - Write the stock image to a floppy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Find yourself a FORMATTED, ERROR-FREE diskette and do a # cat cramdisk.8MB > /dev/fd0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.5 - Extract the kernel image from the floppy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep the floppy in the drive and do a # dd if=/dev/fd0 of=zImage bs=1 count=386393 You now have the stock kernel laying in the current directory as zImage. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.6 - Extract the compressed filesystem to the partition ------------------------------------------------------------------ Got that partition ready? Good, keep the floppy in the drive and do # readfsz - | gzip -d > /dev/hda? Where /dev/hda? is the name of your unmounted spare partition. Could be /dev/sda3, could be /dev/hdc5, I dunno. If you don't understand this part, you probably want to STOP NOW because you could overwrite your entire Linux box if you don't know what you're doing. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.7 - Mount the filesystem and start editing ------------------------------------------------------------------ Now the cool stuff. Mount your new partition: # mount /dev/hda? /mnt Again /dev/hda? is your partition's name and /mnt is the mount-point you've picked. Change directory to /mnt and take a look: # ls -l total 28 drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 1024 Oct 19 1996 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3072 Mar 24 1996 dev drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Mar 21 1995 dos drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 etc drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Mar 21 1995 hd drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 Oct 15 1996 home drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Apr 12 12:09 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 18 1994 mnt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 18 1994 proc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 root drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 1024 Oct 17 1996 sbin drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Oct 15 1996 tmp drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 Mar 23 1996 usr drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 Feb 18 1995 var Your own new filesystem! Edit away. I've changed the following things on our site's disks: - Network interfaces (eth0) are NOT configured in /etc/rd.d/rc.inet1 - Added domain and nameserver IPs to /etc/resolv.conf - Because we don't use PPP, removed all the PPP related files from /usr/bin to save space - Added DESCHALL clients to /usr/bin You get the idea. If you need to add additional files, you have about 200Kb slack space to work with. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.8 - Create a configuration strategy ------------------------------------------------------------------ So now that you have this filesystem, how are you going to configure the network and get the DESCHALL client going once it's booted? As shown above, I don't start the network interfaces at boot-time. Instead, I have a modified Slackware rc.inet1 script I run from the command line do it for me: ----------------------------- BEGIN SCRIPT --------------------------- #!/bin/sh # echo "configuring client with IP of $1" echo "setting hostname to $2" /sbin/ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 /sbin/route add -net 127.0.0.0 NETMASK="255.255.255.0" # REPLACE with YOUR netmask! NETWORK="192.168.1.0" # REPLACE with YOUR network address! BROADCAST="192.168.1.255" # REPLACE with YOUR broadcast address! GATEWAY="192.168.1.254" # REPLACE with YOUR gateway address! /sbin/ifconfig eth0 $1 broadcast ${BROADCAST} netmask ${NETMASK} /sbin/route add -net ${NETWORK} netmask ${NETMASK} /sbin/route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1 /bin/hostname $2 /usr/bin/deschall-linux-P5 keymaster.verser.frii.com & # end of script ----------------------------- END SCRIPT ------------------------------ As you can see there is no error checking, so you might want to consider a more robust script than mine. Edit the filesystem to suit your connection needs. Maybe that means configuring PPP dial scripts, maybe that means configuring the client to use DHCP. It's up to you. Almost all of the standard Linux system utilities are present, and you can always copy some over. You may also statically configure a disk with the rc.inet1 script provided with cramdisk if you only have one host you need to boot. Another good idea would be to compile FAT/FAT32 filesystem support into your custom kernel and run your config script from a DOS/Win95 hard drive mounted at startup. You would have to edit the file once on each machine, but after that, bootup on the floppy is hands-free. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.9 - Finally, create the disk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Place the kernel you intend to use in the cramdisk directory and name it zImage (suprise suprise). Place an ERROR-FREE FORMATTED floppy in the drive and: # dd if=zImage of=/dev/fd0 bs=20b # umount /mnt <-- or whatever mount-point you chose for your partition # make2fsz /dev/hda? - 2200 | writefsz - Bingo. You now have your custom boot disk. 3.0 NOW WHAT? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.1 - Usurping cycles overnight ------------------------------------------------------------------ The cramdisk image comes configured with 2 virtual consoles (adjustable of course). I like to start DESCHALL on one, flip over to the other console and set a delayed reboot: # sleep 25200; shutdown -r -t3 now That will reboot the machine in 7 hours. Pop out the bootdisk, and walk away. In the morning the user will be greeted with the normal login or desktop screen they are used to. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.2 - Duplicate your disk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Easy. Follow the procedure in section 2.0.9 or pop in the newly created bootdiskette and: # cat /dev/fd0 > ./bootdisk.image Now pop in a new ERROR-FREE FORMATTED diskette and # cat ./bootdisk.image > /dev/fd0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.3 - PCMCIA Support ------------------------------------------------------------------ I see no reason why you couldn't enable PCMCIA support. You'll have to strip as many unnecessary files from the cramdisk filesystem as possible to accommodate the modules and module utilities but it certainly could be done. If anyone does this, please mail me so I can include the instructions in the next version of this mini-HOWTO. Plentiful 4.0 THAT'S ALL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good luck and may your cycles be optimal. -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "If Windows is the answer, it was a stupid question." Got a computer? Help crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 19:46:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23111 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23106 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023103; Thu, 1 May 97 19:45:57 -0400 Received: from ozone (Pool-207-205-131-136.ATLN.grid.net [207.205.131.136]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id TAA15633 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:46:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Traceroute to keymaster.verser.frii.com... In-Reply-To: <199705012127.RAA23814@goffette.research.megasoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just to prove I wasn't smoking crack the other day, I did another traceroute today and here was my results: tcsh$ /usr/etc/traceroute keymaster.verser.frii.com traceroute to doc.verser.frii.com (206.168.13.85), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ACCS-AS12-EP00.atln.grid.net (206.80.171.23) 186 ms 177 ms 179 ms 2 CORE-BB01-EP10.atln.grid.net (206.80.171.254) 180 ms 166 ms 180 ms 3 206.80.180.110 (206.80.180.110) 230 ms 258 ms 250 ms 4 sl-mae-w-F0/0.sprintlink.net (198.32.136.11) 271 ms 252 ms 315 ms 5 sl-stk-2-H0/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.109) 278 ms 296 ms 310 ms 6 sl-stk-22-P4/0/0-155M.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.5) 588 ms 647 ms 500 ms 7 * sl-stk-1-P10/0/0-155M.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.1) 300 ms 297 ms 8 sl-che-1-H2/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.90) 340 ms 288 ms * 9 sl-che-3-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.224.10.3) 310 ms 326 ms 309 ms 10 sl-cica-2-H0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.224.13.6) 310 ms (ttl=247!) 297 ms (ttl=247!) 280 ms (ttl=247!) 11 * gw23.boulder.co.coop.net (199.45.132.131) 300 ms (ttl=246!) 328 ms (ttl=246!) 12 199.45.130.182 (199.45.130.182) 320 ms (ttl=245!) 328 ms (ttl=245!) 300 ms (ttl=245!) 13 pm-ftc-a.frii.com (204.144.244.133) 310 ms (ttl=244!) 287 ms (ttl=244!) 319 ms (ttl=244!) 14 fc-rcv.ppp.frii.com (208.146.242.1) 491 ms (ttl=51!) 488 ms (ttl=51!) 460 ms (ttl=51!) 15 doc.verser.frii.com (206.168.13.85) 450 ms (ttl=242!) 438 ms (ttl=242!) * There. Now that's some hops/latency. 8-) CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 20:03:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23172 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23167 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au(134.148.24.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023165; Thu, 1 May 97 20:02:47 -0400 Received: from uucp-gateway by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.1-8 #21152) id <0E9J1UE0100CG5@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:11:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from kastlore.hna.com.au (kastlore.hna.com.au [200.90.1.36]) by praetor.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA23089; Fri, 02 May 1997 08:53:40 +1000 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:06 +1000 From: Andrew Glazebrook Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America To: DES Challange Mailing List , Darrell Kindred Reply-to: Andrew Glazebrook Message-id: <199705012253.IAA23089@praetor.hna.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Andrew Glazebrook's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400, Darrell Kindred wrote: >Andrew Glazebrook writes: > > I've got my page up and running on Deschall Outside of North America > > [...] > >I think this is a bad idea. It seems quite possible to me >that it will cause trouble for Rocke personally and/or the >DESCHALL effort as a whole. Many of us hope to influence >U.S. export policy through this contest, and I don't think >it's going to help our case if the contest participants get >portrayed as smugglers. I shall re-word my page and add a disclaimer sometime over the next few days so that it is clear that my page is totally unreleated to the official deschall page (and its distribution). I'm not actually sure that the smuggler even takes part in deschall (I was just whinging about the fact I couldn't get it and they offered to get it for me), so quite possibly nobody in the deschall effort is a summgler :-). >If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. >We're all working toward the same goal. Perhaps if they had an OS/2 client I might, but they don't, and I'm happy with with this team, so I see little point in changing (stopping) unless it is really needed. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 20:11:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23194 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23189 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midwest.idsonline.com(207.152.119.5) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023187; Thu, 1 May 97 20:11:32 -0400 Received: from nomad (il40.idsonline.com [207.152.119.40]) by midwest.idsonline.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA01093 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:18:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199705020018.TAA01093@midwest.idsonline.com> Reply-To: From: "Rich Wacaser" To: "deschall" Subject: udprelay and Perl-5.003 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:19:19 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Alright, I've gotten the script and found that the UNIX host I was going to use has only Perl-4. I did a little browsing and found Perl-5.001 for Windoze NT 3.5.1 (my next possible platform). Does anyone know of a Perl-5.003 release for NT, or maybe the ability to make udprelay work with version 5.001 on NT. At a minimum I can add 3-4 P-133 to the effort, but the big picture has the possibility for 2 or 3 hundred P-133 NT workstations -- working through the udprelay / gateway. Note: I do not speak Perl, *yet* From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 20:19:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23272 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23262 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.lifesci.ucla.edu(164.67.7.17) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023258; Thu, 1 May 97 20:19:37 -0400 Received: from [164.67.20.120] by mail0.lifesci.ucla.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA14979; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:29:04 -0700 X-Sender: tclai@protos.lifesci.ucla.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:43:22 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: tclai@ucla.edu (TC Lai) Subject: MacOS Client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Is there a way to configure the Mac client to automatically log whatever gets put on the screen? Some of my machines have been crashing (thanks to Netscape) and I've been losing the results as a consequence. I doubt that I've missed the key, but I'd like to make sure in the future. Right now, I've been saving the results manually (redirecting the output to file on startup without the prefs doesn't seem to work.) If there's a better way, I'm all ears. TC -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBM2k4nHfGF+do62Z5AQGzogIAhdEb1Dx0hXLZFp815ge3tTKL5wx+JLVR K+gu62jw9sX0ZropdqXOVPFvmEQtW2W0oPXr8pgSqIsUCBK+Z4JIlQ== =3qnp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TC Lai Pre-Cognitive Science Undergraduate, Graphic Designer, & Student Animator tclai@ucla.edu University of California, Los Angeles Fingerprint (512bit): 9B BA 0A F8 B5 CE 79 3A 8F D0 6F 22 B8 D0 55 FB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copyright (c) 1997 by TC Lai. All Rights Reserved. From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 20:39:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23324 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23319 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023317; Thu, 1 May 97 20:39:10 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA352900; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:47:13 GMT Message-Id: <199705020047.AAA352900@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-7-241.il.us.ibm.net(166.72.7.241) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaDuwDe7; Fri May 2 00:46:14 1997 From: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" To: "Andrew Glazebrook" , "Darrell Kindred" , "DES Challange Mailing List" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 20:46:12 Reply-To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" X-Mailer: Stephanie van Iwaarden's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:06 +1000, Andrew Glazebrook wrote: >On Thu, 01 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400, Darrell Kindred wrote: > >>If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. >>We're all working toward the same goal. > > Perhaps if they had an OS/2 client I might, but they don't, and I'm happy Just wait a couple of days. --Ron o Ronald Van Iwaarden | Work to live; /\ Hope College | Live to bike; _`\ `_<=== Holland MI 49423 | Bike to work! __(_)/_(_)___.-._ voice : (616)355-7120 | http://www.cs.hope.edu/~rvaniwaa/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 20:50:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23402 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23397 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu(129.186.1.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023392; Thu, 1 May 97 20:49:46 -0400 Received: from sunflower.iastate.edu (mica.geol.iastate.edu [129.186.121.6]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12115 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970501195927.007a1dc0@pop-2.iastate.edu> X-Sender: satan@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:59:29 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Mikael Brown Subject: Optimize your Systems!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Although I have no idea on the status of these projects, I know that many DESCHALL team members are working on optimizing MacOS and 64-bit processor clients. It is important that we optimize these programs since DESCALL's power is in our high performance clients. But the work on optimization should not stop there! Each DESCALL contributer needs to make sure that their system is optimized. An optimized system will allow each client to squeeze in a few more keys a day - and we need every increase we can get. Here are links for system optimization of PCs http://www.dfw.net/~sdw/index.html http://sysdoc.pair.com/performance.html remember....overclock at your own risk.... IDEA: That we create a list of WWW sites that deal w/ optimization of PCs, Windows, MacOS, Unix, etc for the DESCALL site....it could be titled "How to optimize your system for best DESCHALL performance." I figure the effort is worth it: not only would we be helping to improve everyone's machines, but our keyrates might increase a smidgen... Prove DES is weak, crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm --------------------- Mikael Brown "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless apon the air..." satan@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~satan From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 21:08:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23456 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23451 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023449; Thu, 1 May 97 21:08:09 -0400 Received: from swsip1-18.ionet.net (swsip1-18.ionet.net [207.204.108.28]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11237 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:16:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705020116.UAA11237@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "DES Challange Mailing List" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 20:13:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 20:46:12, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: >On Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:06 +1000, Andrew Glazebrook wrote: > >>On Thu, 01 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400, Darrell Kindred wrote: >> >>>If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. >>>We're all working toward the same goal. >> >> Perhaps if they had an OS/2 client I might, but they don't, and I'm happy > >Just wait a couple of days. And what? Solnet will have an OS/2 client? I'd rather see him stay with us. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 21:24:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23558 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23551 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023547; Thu, 1 May 97 21:24:02 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA334357; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:32:04 GMT Message-Id: <199705020132.BAA334357@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-7-241.il.us.ibm.net(166.72.7.241) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma9eUCkR; Fri May 2 01:27:34 1997 From: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" To: "Colin L. Hildinger" , "DES Challange Mailing List" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 21:26:56 Reply-To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" X-Mailer: Stephanie van Iwaarden's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 20:13:00 -0500, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: >On Thu, 01 May 97 20:46:12, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: > >>On Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:06 +1000, Andrew Glazebrook wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 01 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400, Darrell Kindred wrote: >>> >>>>If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. >>>>We're all working toward the same goal. >>> >>> Perhaps if they had an OS/2 client I might, but they don't, >>> and I'm happy >> >>Just wait a couple of days. > >And what? I was under the impression (s)he was outside the US and Canada. If he is, then Solnet is his/her best option > Solnet will have an OS/2 client? Yes. Within a couple of days. > I'd rather see him stay with us. If someone is outside the US/Canada, this is not presently an option. So, Solnet is where people outside should go. Personally, I think both options are wonderful. I wish the Solnet people had the power of the US Clients. The Solnet PC clients are about 3/5 of speed of the DESChal clients and this makes up for their 17,000+ clients and high TCP overhead. --Ron o Ronald Van Iwaarden | Work to live; /\ Hope College | Live to bike; _`\ `_<=== Holland MI 49423 | Bike to work! __(_)/_(_)___.-._ voice : (616)355-7120 | http://www.cs.hope.edu/~rvaniwaa/ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 21:33:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23638 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23633 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023631; Thu, 1 May 97 21:32:56 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id VAA06594; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006586; Thu, 1 May 97 21:42:53 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25266; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23584 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023580; Thu, 1 May 97 21:27:26 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id VAA06530; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006528; Thu, 1 May 97 21:37:30 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25226; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23572 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023569; Thu, 1 May 97 21:25:59 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id VAA06512; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006501; Thu, 1 May 97 21:35:36 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25207; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23518 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net(204.127.131.34) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023516; Thu, 1 May 97 21:21:19 -0400 Received: from danielbe ([207.146.223.45]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA20267; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:23:42 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Daniel Berlin" To: "Matt Clauson" Cc: Subject: Re: newcomer Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:24:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Message-ID: <19970502012333.AAA20267@danielbe> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk No, that would be a pain for the person, and require diskspace. What you really want to do is mirror wuarchive to your isp's temp partition or something of the sort. Just log it to the screen so you transfer data :). Or, do what I did after getting tired of crappy ISP's get AT&T Worldnet From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 21:36:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23692 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23687 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023685; Thu, 1 May 97 21:36:23 -0400 Received: from swsip1-18.ionet.net (swsip1-18.ionet.net [207.204.108.28]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19312 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:44:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705020144.UAA19312@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 20:41:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 21:26:56, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: >On Thu, 01 May 97 20:13:00 -0500, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: > >>On Thu, 01 May 97 20:46:12, Ronald Van Iwaarden wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:06 +1000, Andrew Glazebrook wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 01 May 1997 03:50:04 -0400, Darrell Kindred wrote: >>>> >>>>>If you're outside the U.S. and Canada, join the SolNet effort. >>>>>We're all working toward the same goal. >>>> >>>> Perhaps if they had an OS/2 client I might, but they don't, >>>> and I'm happy >>> >>>Just wait a couple of days. >> >>And what? > >I was under the impression (s)he was outside the US and Canada. If >he is, then Solnet is his/her best option > >> Solnet will have an OS/2 client? > >Yes. Within a couple of days. I bet ours will still be faster. >> I'd rather see him stay with us. > >If someone is outside the US/Canada, this is not presently an option. >So, Solnet is where people outside should go. Personally, I think >both options are wonderful. I wish the Solnet people had the power >of the US Clients. The Solnet PC clients are about 3/5 of speed of >the DESChal clients and this makes up for their 17,000+ clients and >high TCP overhead. I'd rather see our group get it, though. There are currently several people running the deschall clients outside of North America (Germany, Australia, etc.). However they got the client, they did. I don't really care. I know the Aussie has been running it since early April. I've figured my chances of being the one to get the key to be ~3000-4000 to one at the current rate. Most of them are slower than me, so the odds of one of them getting the key are slim, but they are helping our effort, so I don't care. I'm competitive, I like to win. I'd rather see the DESChall team win, because that's "my team." Anyway, I seriously doubt they'll rewrite the keyserver to reject non-US domains (I certainly wouldn't bother), so no one is going to stop them from helping... Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 22:07:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24051 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24046 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu(128.46.128.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024044; Thu, 1 May 97 22:07:31 -0400 Received: from purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (gebis@localhost) by purcell.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.5/3.8.2moyman) id VAA06871; Thu, 1 May 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199705020214.VAA06871@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> From: Michael J Gebis Subject: Re: Export laws revisited To: jsimmons@goblin.punk.net (Jeff Simmons) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:14:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: nelson@media.mit.edu, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705011533.IAA15161@goblin.punk.net> from "Jeff Simmons" at May 1, 97 08:33:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > The most famous, and widely reported, was the university (don't have the > name on the tip of my tongue right now) that developed Mosaic, the first > true web browser. They got a visit because one of their upgrades had > hooks for PGP services. No actual crypto code, just hooks. > > Or talk to Netscape, who took over a year to satisfy the US requirements > for a 'secure' download site, so that they could give US citizens 128 bit > encryption capabilities in their various products. > As someone else already mentioned, Mosaic was developed at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC). More specifically, it was developed at the UIUC supercomputing site, The National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) in the Software Development Group (SDG) (which was strangely enough located in the Oil Chemistry Building (OCB)). Notice that NCSA is funded by the National Science Foundations (NSF) which is funded by the United States (US) Goverment. For this reason, it's not clear that the government would have the same problem (or authority) to complain to a private entity. Perhaps they just wanted to make sure they weren't _funding_ such efforts. (OK, so it's doubtful they are really thinking this way--it's just that this example doesn't show this) BTW, you should clue into the fact ASAP that I lived in Acronym Hell (AH) for four years of my life. :) -- Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 23:17:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24348 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24343 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024341; Thu, 1 May 97 23:17:05 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06185 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:25:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199705020325.XAA06185@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall List" Subject: Export restrictions no more? Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:25:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Saw this relevant story on news.com on 4/30/97. "A House subcommittee today approved a bill that would remove most of the Clinton administration's current restrictions on the export of encryption technology. " ". . . intended to eliminate the White House's export regulations on strong encryption, basically letting software vendors export crypto technology of any strength provided that it is being used for legal purposes. " The full story is at: "http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,10249,00.html" Scott McIntyre ------------ smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu DES Rutgers - http://nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu - Break the Code From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 23:30:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24449 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24444 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.121.101.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024442; Thu, 1 May 97 23:30:43 -0400 Received: (from paonia@localhost) by exon.massart.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA06028; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:39:01 -0400 From: Paonia Ezrine Message-Id: <199705020339.XAA06028@exon.massart.edu> Subject: Re: MacOS Client To: tclai@ucla.edu (TC Lai) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "TC Lai" at May 1, 97 05:43:22 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Is there a way to configure the Mac client to automatically log whatever > gets put on the screen? Some of my machines have been crashing (thanks to > Netscape) and I've been losing the results as a consequence. I doubt that > I've missed the key, but I'd like to make sure in the future. > just a note if you got tyhe key the game is over. All the client would stop and you would not be able to get any more keys. So it has not happened yet. paonia -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paonia Ezrine | Mass Art | | paonia@massart.edu | 621 Huntington Ave | | 617-232-1555 ext 357 | Boston, MA 02115 | | 617-566-4034 (fax) | www.massart.edu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 23:39:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24501 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24496 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024494; Thu, 1 May 97 23:39:10 -0400 Received: from localhost ([207.204.108.75]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27650 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:47:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705020347.WAA27650@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 22:43:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Export restrictions no more? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997 23:25:39 -0400, Scott McIntyre wrote: >Saw this relevant story on news.com on 4/30/97. > >"A House subcommittee today approved a >bill that would remove most of the Clinton >administration's current restrictions on the export of >encryption technology. " > >". . . intended to eliminate the White > House's export regulations on strong encryption, > basically letting software vendors export crypto > technology of any strength provided that it is being > used for legal purposes. " > >The full story is at: >"http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,10249,00.html" As we say here in Oklahoma: YEEEEEE!!!!! HAAWWW!!! Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 23:48:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24543 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24538 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from major.globecomm.net(207.51.48.5) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024535; Thu, 1 May 97 23:47:51 -0400 Received: from 237-63-239.tr.cgocable.ca (237-63-239.tr.cgocable.ca [205.237.63.239]) by major.globecomm.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA06555 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705020356.XAA06555@major.globecomm.net> From: "Mario Gaucher" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 23:55:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Mario Gaucher" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Tag: ** TagIt/2 v1.4 ** for PMMail by Robert Spangler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: newcomer Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 13:28:07 -0400, Milton Forte II wrote: >>>What is the best method of dealing with the internet provider timing out >>>after 10-15 minutes of no communication? > >>My solution is to set my email program to check for mail every 5 minutes and >>leave it open. > >Or use a web page that refreshes ifself. Or use the INJOY dialer to 'dial on >demand'. DOD did not work for me with OS/2 deschall client... when I use this feature of In-Joy, deschal4.exe (or deschal5.exe) get the same keys 2+ times in a row! In-Joy settings: Timeout.: 40 secs [X] Dial On Demand (DOD) [X] Refresh interface [X] Masquerading (single user) [X] Display DOD indicator ex: **************************** Processor 1 -- 2^24 complementary pairs of keys starting with 64435BF2C4010101 ........Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 76 seconds Processor 1 -- Key not found Processor 1 -- 2^24 complementary pairs of keys starting with 64435BF2C4010101 ........Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 74 seconds Processor 1 -- Key not found Processor 1 -- 2^25 complementary pairs of keys starting with 64465B3E31010101 ................Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 146 seconds Processor 1 -- Key not found Processor 1 -- 2^25 complementary pairs of keys starting with 64465B3E31010101 ................Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 145 seconds Processor 1 -- Key not found Processor 1 -- 2^25 complementary pairs of keys starting with 64465B3E31010101 **************************** What's the problem? - - - - - We geniuses are always misunderstood. Mario Gaucher [Membre TeamOS/2] | Pour avoir ma clef PGP publique Drummondville, Quebec, Canada | "Demande PGP Mario" dans le http://www.drummond.com/os2/ | sujet du message From owner-deschall-announce Thu May 1 23:51:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24578 for deschall-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24573 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024571; Thu, 1 May 97 23:50:53 -0400 Received: from localhost ([207.204.108.75]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00937 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:59:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705020359.WAA00937@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 22:55:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Do you know anyone at your ISP? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk OK, I don't know if this will work for you or not, but I've talked off and on with several of the TS people at my ISP, helping them by giving them feedback on problems other people wouldn't even notice (like a port that connects slower than their others). Anyway, send that person an email if you have a contact. I figure IONet has to have a few dozen connected PC's, so I'm going to _try_ to get Brent to start running DESCHALL (maybe he'll start it on some of their servers too...). If we all did that... Heck, send a message to support@your.isp and see what happens - it can't hurt! Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 00:30:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24776 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24771 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024763; Fri, 2 May 97 00:29:57 -0400 Received: from swsip1-19.ionet.net (swsip1-19.ionet.net [207.204.108.29]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10921 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:38:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705020438.XAA10921@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 23:34:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New Clients Available Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT), Justin Dolske wrote: >If anyone knows of a platform we've missed, let me know. I think we're >running out of them. :-) What ever happened to the 64-bit client? Did that become available? That should give us a speed boost, because most of those types of machines are probably running 24-7. Also what ever happened to the larger keyblock discussion? I'd really like it to go up to about 2^34-35 (12-24 hours). Is the change required only in the keyserver code (I guess longer expiration times), or would the client code require changes as well? Would it cause problems for the keyserver (having to remember more blocks for longer)? Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 00:55:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24835 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24830 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wonderdog.smmedia.com(207.66.144.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024828; Fri, 2 May 97 00:55:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (micah@localhost) by wonderdog.smmedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16489 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Micah Anderson To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: New Clients Available In-Reply-To: <199705020438.XAA10921@mail.ionet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: > Date: Thu, 01 May 97 23:34:51 -0500 > From: "Colin L. Hildinger" > To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" > Subject: Re: New Clients Available > > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT), Justin Dolske wrote: > > >If anyone knows of a platform we've missed, let me know. I think we're > >running out of them. :-) Now that we've got all the platforms pretty much covered... How about some optimization for all the other platforms?! An Ultra 2 that isn't doing ANYTHING but running deschall being outperformed by a P166 running NT?! Something is wrong... Micah _______________________________________________________________________________ Micah Johan Eckman Anderson micah@smmedia.com Sr. Systems Administrator 1-888-614-3709 Schmidt Mead Media, Inc. pagemicah@smmedia.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 00:58:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24851 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24846 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024844; Fri, 2 May 97 00:58:37 -0400 Received: from cl7-p7 (cl7-p7.chatlink.com [205.139.105.184]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15475 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:06:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:06:53 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: New Clients Available Message-Id: <862538813-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862538813-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Also what ever happened to the larger keyblock discussion? I'd really > like it to go up to about 2^34-35 (12-24 hours). Is the change > required only in the keyserver code (I guess longer expiration times), > or would the client code require changes as well? Would it cause > problems for the keyserver (having to remember more blocks for longer)? Wouldn't cause any problem with the keyserver, it would actually lower the load on the keyserver, not being hit as often. The keyserver would need to be changed so that keys don't expire in 2 hours (minimum). One problem with gettting one that would simply require a longer processing time would be if something did happen to the client, all processing on that keyblock would be lost. With multiple smaller keyblocks each time a key is finished the client could write it out to disk so it wouldn't be lost. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 01:00:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24872 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24867 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024865; Fri, 2 May 97 01:00:29 -0400 Received: from cl7-p7 (cl7-p7.chatlink.com [205.139.105.184]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15597 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 22:08:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:08:46 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Optimizations Message-Id: <862538926-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862538926-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > >If anyone knows of a platform we've missed, let me know. I think we're > >running out of them. :-) > Now that we've got all the platforms pretty much covered... How about some > optimization for all the other platforms?! An Ultra 2 that isn't doing > ANYTHING but running deschall being outperformed by a P166 running NT?! > Something is wrong... Also a 133mhz Cyrix/IBM being outperformed by a 120mhz Intel Pentium???? From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 01:12:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24969 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24964 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.galstar.com(204.251.80.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024962; Fri, 2 May 97 01:12:18 -0400 Received: (from sbright@localhost) by galaxy.galstar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20777 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:20:33 -0500 (CDT) From: rot Message-Id: <199705020520.AAA20777@galaxy.galstar.com> Subject: linux nfsmounted remote booting To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:20:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk If you hate changing floppy disks or whatever and you had a lab full of boxes netted together you might take advantage of linuxs ability to use a remote machine on the network as its root filesystem. You could have one computer boot up normal and have the others boot up , nfs mount it as root, and run. put some kinda deschall run script in the clientxxx/etc/rc.d/rc.local and go 4 it. Itd take 400k or so of linux kernel and loadlin and a nice batch file on the HD of each 'client' machine, dunno if thats acceptable or not. Youd also need to compile nfs remote booting into the kernel as well as figure out how to set it up right. although this might all be more trouble than its worth. just an idea if you dont like floppies. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 01:17:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25044 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25039 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025037; Fri, 2 May 97 01:17:47 -0400 Received: from swsip1-19.ionet.net (Colin@swsip1-19.ionet.net [207.204.108.29]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20900; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:26:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705020526.AAA20900@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "Andrew James Alan Welty" , "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Fri, 02 May 97 00:22:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New Clients Available Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 1997 22:06:53 -0400, Andrew James Alan Welty wrote: > > > > >> Also what ever happened to the larger keyblock discussion? I'd really >> like it to go up to about 2^34-35 (12-24 hours). Is the change >> required only in the keyserver code (I guess longer expiration times), >> or would the client code require changes as well? Would it cause >> problems for the keyserver (having to remember more blocks for longer)? > >Wouldn't cause any problem with the keyserver, it would actually lower the >load on the keyserver, not being hit as often. The keyserver would need >to be changed so that keys don't expire in 2 hours (minimum). One problem >with gettting one that would simply require a longer processing time would >be if something did happen to the client, all processing on that keyblock >would be lost. With multiple smaller keyblocks each time a key is finished >the client could write it out to disk so it wouldn't be lost. I fully understand the reprecussions. I think a command line switch would be appropriate. Or how about this - break it into chunks and keep track of them in a local file. The add a /resume command line in case of reboots. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 01:18:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25052 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25047 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from friley72.res.iastate.edu(129.186.78.72) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025045; Fri, 2 May 97 01:18:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vorlon@localhost) by cozad.dodds.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11749 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:27:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:27:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Langasek Reply-To: Stephen Langasek To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Newbie Questions... In-Reply-To: <199705010836.DAA13099@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Starling wrote: > 1) Would it be possible to make linux boot disks that boot a machine and > load the necesary stuff into a RAM disk so that the machine would > automatically run the client until a given time and then reboot? > If so, I might be able to comandeer a computer lab full of P200s. It's possible, yes. I don't know that anyone has done it yet... I don't want to be the first, 'cause, well, I'm incredibly lazy, but I suppose if no one else is volunteering, I'll do it eventually. (After finals. ;) I don't know if it's possible to get a kernel on bootdisk that has support for all the ethernet accessories it would need in order to be multipurpose.. Might have to be a set of 2 bootdisks. We'll see at some point, I suppose. :) > 2) Lets say your machine takes 30 minutes to run 2^28 key pairs, however > this is a dialup machine. Lets say you only want to dial up once every > 12 hours. Would it be possible to run 24 instances of the linux > client, thereby grabbing off 24 key sequence hunks (or whatever > they're called) and then have it complete all 24 in time for the dialup? > To be on the safe side, you might want to run 23 to make sure that the > context switching didn't eat into your time and throw everything out > of whack. I was thinking of doing this on a smaller scale (like > running 2 or 4 at a time), rather than dialing in every 30 minutes > This would be to get around an idle-timeout disconnect "feature" on > our dialup without having to hog the dialup. > Or is there some way I can get my client to grab a larger number of > keys to try? There's no advantage to running multiple clients, because (someone correct me if I've interpreted wrong) the client has been written around a target time per keyblock. Hence, running multiple clients means each individual client will simply grab a smaller chunk to compensate--and you end up still having to dial up every hour. :) The idea of a client with an adjustable turnover rate has certainly been tossed about, though I'm not in a position to know whether or not it's being seriously considered for implementation at this point. -Stephen Langasek Help break DES today! http://friley72.res.iastate.edu/des/deschall.html -doink- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 01:21:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25083 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25078 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025076; Fri, 2 May 97 01:21:03 -0400 Received: from ozone (rmtA018.ntr.net [206.112.4.18]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id BAA23849; Fri, 2 May 1997 01:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: Andrew James Alan Welty cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Optimizations In-Reply-To: <862538926-0-andrew@chatlink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Andrew James Alan Welty wrote: > > >If anyone knows of a platform we've missed, let me know. I think we're > > >running out of them. :-) > > > Now that we've got all the platforms pretty much covered... How about > some > > optimization for all the other platforms?! An Ultra 2 that isn't doing > > ANYTHING but running deschall being outperformed by a P166 running NT?! > > Something is wrong... > > Also a 133mhz Cyrix/IBM being outperformed by a 120mhz Intel Pentium???? All I can say about Cyrix are, they're really, really, really, really, really fast 486s. I don't see anything unique about the Cyrix chips anyway. 8-) Now the AMD K6, that's an excellent option for PCs!!! BTW: Anyone got a spare SGI Indy they're looking to sell? 8-P CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 04:41:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA25773 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA25768 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw.dfw.net(198.175.15.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025766; Fri, 2 May 97 04:41:46 -0400 Received: from mikes.dfw.net (PPP36.fortworth.dfw.net) by dfw.dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24773; Fri, 2 May 97 03:51:00 CDT Message-Id: <9705020851.AA24773@ dfw.dfw.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Smith" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:50:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Optimize your Systems!!!! Reply-To: mikes@dfw.net In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970501195927.007a1dc0@pop-2.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Here are links for system optimization of PCs > > >But the work on optimization should not stop there! Each DESCALL >contributer needs to make sure that their system is optimized. An >optimized system will allow each client to squeeze in a few more >keys a day - and we need every increase we can get. > >Here are links for system optimization of PCs >http://www.dfw.net/~sdw/index.html >http://sysdoc.pair.com/performance.html >>>>>> http://www.dfw.net/~sdw/index.html<<<<<<<<<< ^^^^^Link has been updated recently. I think this old one will still work, tho. Here's the latest. http://www.sysopt.com/ I would like to comment here that everyone needs to consider (seriously!!) before making changes to their system BIOSes. Small changes can make large differences (eg, your machine boots, your machine does ***not*** boot). (altho from reading these messages for the past month or so, everyone (most?) here probably know and have their system running pretty damn fast). Write your current settings down (can I stress this any more??) before attempting any changes. 3000 keys/sec improvement is not worth losing 400,000+ (or whatever it might be) key/sec because the machine doesn't boot!!! Be smart. > http://sysdoc.pair.com/performance.html And as the original poster said, overclock AT YOUR OWN RISK!! If the chip could run at a faster speed, don't you think Intel would've charged you extra for that ?? ;-) My $0.02 worth. ------=====+=====------ Crack DES now!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm Michael Smith Fort Worth, TX mailto://mikes@dfw.net http://www.dfw.net/~mikes KC5HZS From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 09:58:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27312 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27299 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opus.vcn.bc.ca(207.102.64.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027295; Fri, 2 May 97 09:58:12 -0400 Received: (from jleung@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02113; Fri, 2 May 1997 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnnie Leung Reply-To: Johnnie Leung Subject: I need an SCO client To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <9705020851.AA24773@ dfw.dfw.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I just heard about deschall and my (former) ISP happens to have a Pentium 200 running SCO UNIX sitting idle, so I am thinking of making some good out of it. Will SCO be supported any time soon? Johnnie Leung KC7WCW From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 12:26:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28207 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28201 for deschall-announce-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28196 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028192; Fri, 2 May 97 12:25:41 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id MAA14527 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014525; Fri, 2 May 97 12:35:50 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27645; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:32:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Stuart Stock To: deschall-announce@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: DESCHALL Linux Bootdisk mini-HOWTO v0.02 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Forgot to include instructions on how to work with a custom kernel. That's fixed in 0.02 DECHALL Linux bootdisk mini-HOWTO v0.02 ALPHA! - May 2 1997 Stuart Stock This document is distributed under the GPL 0.0 COPYRIGHT AND LEGAL CLUTTER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------ DISCLAIMER: Your mileage may vary. This works for me but if it blows your machine up it's not my fault. I have tried to assemble accurate instructions on how to do this, but bear in mind this is a rushed job and intended as a guideline only. This information is provided free of charge and comes with no warranty! All responsibility lies with the user of this document. The author disclaims any and all responsibility for damages arising from the use or misuse of the provided information. ------------------------------------------------------ This document is Copyright (c) 1997 Stuart Stock. It is distributed under the GNU Public License. Everyone is permitted to make verbatim copies of this document. Changing it is not allowed. New versions will be posted to the deschall mailing lists as they become available. If you find an error, or have a suggested improvement, please mail stuart@gundaker.com. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS: I'm sorry, but I will not be able to help you with problems you might have. There is a wealth of information in the Linux Documentation Project HOWTO's and FAQ as well as the Cramdisk docs. Please consult those, this is something I'm doing in my (very limited) spare time. Revisions: 0.02 - Added info on how to work with kernels larger than 381Kb. Still a bit confusing though. 0.1 PURPOSE ~~~~~~~~~~~ There have been a number of requests for a Linux boot disk to use at night on spare machines. This document will provide instructions on how to create a customized boot disk for your site. These instructions are NOT for the newbie. You must be comfortable with manipulating disk partitions, modifying system startup files, and configuring network devices. Once you are done, you will have a bootdisk that supports any network (Ethernet and PPP), SCSI, or other devices needed to boot the system correctly. Right now, there are no pre-made generic bootdisks. I haven't taken a look at Cramdisk's license to see if that would be permitted (it's GPL'ed so I imagine it would be okay). If there is a demand, I will make some generic bootdisks available if someone will provide a FTP site. 1.0 INTRO ~~~~~~~~~ The disk you are going to create is made possible by the really excellent Cramdisk RAM disk loader. Please take a look at the READMEs in the cramdisk distribution for information on the authors and MUCH more detailed instructions than I can provide here. If you get confused by my instructions, take a look at the cramdisk documentation. You'll need the following: - A Linux 2.X.X box that you have root permission on - A 3.5" floppy drive - Kernel sirocco and gcc - A spare disk partition (see the info below) - cramdisk-2.0.8MB.net.tgz from Sunsite or a mirror ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/recovery/images/ Note - The cramdisk image that we will be modifying assumes that the client machine has at least 8MB of memory. I have yet to meet a Pentium with 4 megs, but you can try the 4MB cramdisk image file if you want. I haven't used it and don't know if it will work. 2.0 LET'S DO IT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.1 - Find an extra partition ------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the trickiest step of the whole process. The cramdisk image, cramdisk.8MB, is a complete compressed filesystem. To modify it, it needs to be decompressed to a drive partition and mounted as a normal filesystem. The partition only needs to be 4 megs or so. I suggest the following: - If you have multiple swap partitions, unmount one and use it temporarily. - If you don't mind the hassle, boot to DOS and use FIPS - If you have plenty of real memory, unmount your current swap partition temporarily. - Donate that old FAT partition running Windoze ;-) - If you can suffer with a little less memory for a few minutes, create a 4MB ramdisk. *** WARNING: The partition you choose will be ERASED COMPLETELY *** *** ANY DATA ON THE PARTITION IS LOST FOREVER!!! *** Using a swap partition works great. You won't even have to change the partition type in fdisk. Just remember to run mkswap and swapon after you're all done to re-enable your swap space. Note: You'll have to specify the blocksize of the partition to mkswap when you recreate it. Get that info from fdisk. You do not need to create a file system on the spare partition. Just allocate it for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.2 - Extract the files ------------------------------------------------------------------ After you have downloaded cramdisk-2.0.8MB.net.tgz make a temporary directory and extract the files. Change to the cramdisk directory and it should look like this: # ls -l total 1507 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9324 Oct 19 1996 README.howto -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7043 Oct 19 1996 README.what2mod -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42587 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk-2.0.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk.8MB extract the cramdisk-2.0.tgz file also: # ls -l total 1606 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17976 Oct 17 1996 COPYING -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9324 Oct 19 1996 README.howto -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15524 Oct 17 1996 README.orig -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7043 Oct 19 1996 README.what2mod -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3497 Oct 17 1996 config.cram.net -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3335 Oct 17 1996 config.cram.ppa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42587 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk-2.0.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474560 Oct 19 1996 cramdisk.8MB -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 623 Oct 7 1996 cramon -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4855 Oct 19 1996 filelist.8MB -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4748 Oct 19 1996 filelist.lynx -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4581 Oct 19 1996 filelist.net -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4428 Oct 18 1996 filelist.ppa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1618 Oct 19 1996 make2fsz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 560 Oct 19 1996 makedist.8MB -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 555 Oct 19 1996 makedist.lynx -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 560 Oct 19 1996 makedist.net -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 565 Oct 19 1996 makedist.ppa -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1589 Oct 7 1996 makefsz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8232 Oct 7 1996 ramdisk.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 872 Oct 7 1996 readfsz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13248 Oct 17 1996 tzx100.tgz -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1085 Oct 7 1996 writefsz ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.3 - Build a custom kernel (if needed) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The stock cramdisk image comes with support for ppp, 3c509, and NE2000 network cards. If your client uses PPP or a 3Com or NE2000 compatible network card, skip to the next section (2.0.4). Otherwise, before you get busy with the next few steps, start the compile of your custom kernel. If you don't know how to compile a kernel, consult the Kernel-HOWTO. ** Make sure to add RAM Disk support ** Initial RAM disk support (initrd) is not needed, just the regular stuff. Include all drivers you need for the proper operation of your clients, but don't over do it! Keep the kernel as small as possible (sorry, soundcard support is out ;-).. A NOTE ABOUT KERNEL SIZE - The default kernel that ships with cramdisk is 2.0.23 with a minimal set of drivers. Its total size is 386,393 bytes or 381KB. If your new kernel is larger than this, it may not fit on the disk. To fix, delete files from your filesystem. How many you ask? To figure this out, do a df with the filesystem mounted: # df Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda2 129796 102704 20389 83% / /dev/sda1 995115 207485 736224 22% /usr /dev/hda1 362688 261664 101024 72% /dos /dev/sda3 699784 378800 284838 57% /arc /dev/sda4 2126 1371 755 64% /dl I have the cramdisk filesystem mounted at /dl. The entire filesystem is 2126KB, that will be compressed to fit on a floppy when you build the disk. You have a bit of slack space to work with. Using the stock cramdisk filesystem image, I've been able to use a 427KB kernel without having to delete any files. Maybe I was lucky, YMMV. For a general rule of thumb, try this: for every 10KB bigger than 400KB your kernel becomes, you have to delete 5KB of files from the filesystem. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.4 - Write the stock image to a floppy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Find yourself a FORMATTED, ERROR-FREE diskette and do a # cat cramdisk.8MB > /dev/fd0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.5 - Extract the kernel image from the floppy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep the floppy in the drive and do a # dd if=/dev/fd0 of=zImage bs=1 count=386393 You now have the stock kernel laying in the current directory as zImage. Replace at will. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.6 - Extract the compressed filesystem to the partition ------------------------------------------------------------------ Got that partition ready? Good, keep the floppy in the drive and do # readfsz - | gzip -d > /dev/hda? Where /dev/hda? is the name of your unmounted spare partition. Could be /dev/sda3, could be /dev/hdc5, I dunno. If you don't understand this part, you probably want to STOP NOW because you could overwrite your entire Linux box if you don't know what you're doing. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.7 - Mount the filesystem and start editing ------------------------------------------------------------------ Now the cool stuff. Mount your new partition: # mount /dev/hda? /mnt Again /dev/hda? is your partition's name and /mnt is the mount-point you've picked. Change directory to /mnt and take a look: # ls -l total 28 drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 1024 Oct 19 1996 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3072 Mar 24 1996 dev drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Mar 21 1995 dos drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 etc drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Mar 21 1995 hd drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 Oct 15 1996 home drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Apr 12 12:09 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 18 1994 mnt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Apr 18 1994 proc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Oct 19 1996 root drwxr-xr-x 2 root bin 1024 Oct 17 1996 sbin drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Oct 15 1996 tmp drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 Mar 23 1996 usr drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 Feb 18 1995 var Your own new filesystem! Edit away. I've changed the following things on our site's disks: - Network interfaces (eth0) are NOT configured in /etc/rd.d/rc.inet1 - Added domain and nameserver IPs to /etc/resolv.conf - Because we don't use PPP, removed all the PPP related files from /usr/bin to save space - Added DESCHALL clients to /usr/bin You get the idea. If you need to add additional files, you have to balance the free space needed for your kernel vs. your need for extra files. See section 2.0.3. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.8 - Create a configuration strategy ------------------------------------------------------------------ So now that you have this filesystem, how are you going to configure the network and get the DESCHALL client going once it's booted? As shown above, I don't start the network interfaces at boot-time. Instead, I have a modified Slackware rc.inet1 script I run from the command line do it for me: ----------------------------- BEGIN SCRIPT --------------------------- #!/bin/sh # echo "configuring client with IP of $1" echo "setting hostname to $2" /sbin/ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 /sbin/route add -net 127.0.0.0 NETMASK="255.255.255.0" # REPLACE with YOUR netmask! NETWORK="192.168..1.0" # REPLACE with YOUR network address! BROADCAST="192.168.1.255" # REPLACE with YOUR broadcast address! GATEWAY="192.168.1.254" # REPLACE with YOUR gateway address! /sbin/ifconfig eth0 $1 broadcast ${BROADCAST} netmask ${NETMASK} /sbin/route add -net ${NETWORK} netmask ${NETMASK} /sbin/route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1 /bin/hostname $2 /usr/bin/deschall-linux-P5 keymaster.verser.frii.com & # end of script ----------------------------- END SCRIPT ------------------------------ As you can see there is no error checking, so you might want to consider a more robust script than mine. Edit the filesystem to suit your connection needs. Maybe that means configuring PPP dial scripts, maybe that means configuring the client to use DHCP. It's up to you. Almost all of the standard Linux system utilities are present, and you can always copy some over. You may also statically configure a disk with the rc.inet1 script provided with cramdisk if you only have one host you need to boot. Another good idea would be to compile FAT/FAT32 filesystem support into your custom kernel and run your config script from a DOS/Win95 hard drive mounted at startup. You would have to edit the file once on each machine, but after that, bootup on the floppy is hands-free. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.0.9 - Finally, create the disk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Place the kernel you intend to use in the cramdisk directory and name it zImage (suprise suprise). Place an ERROR-FREE FORMATTED floppy in the drive and: # dd if=zImage of=/dev/fd0 bs=20b # umount /mnt <-- or whatever mount-point you chose for your partition # make2fsz /dev/hda? - 2200 | writefsz - Bingo. You now have your custom boot disk. 3.0 NOW WHAT? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.1 - Usurping cycles overnight ------------------------------------------------------------------ The cramdisk image comes configured with 2 virtual consoles (adjustable of course). I like to start DESCHALL on one, flip over to the other console and set a delayed reboot: # sleep 25200; shutdown -r -t3 now That will reboot the machine in 7 hours. Pop out the bootdisk, and walk away. In the morning the user will be greeted with the normal login or desktop screen they are used to. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.2 - Duplicate your disk ------------------------------------------------------------------ Easy. Follow the procedure in section 2.0.9 or pop in the newly created bootdiskette and: # cat /dev/fd0 > ./bootdisk.image Now pop in a new ERROR-FREE FORMATTED diskette and # cat ./bootdisk.image > /dev/fd0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3.0.3 - PCMCIA Support ------------------------------------------------------------------ I see no reason why you couldn't enable PCMCIA support. You'll have to strip as many unnecessary files from the cramdisk filesystem as possible to accommodate the modules and module utilities but it certainly could be done. If anyone does this, please mail me so I can include the instructions in the next version of this mini-HOWTO. 4.0 THAT'S ALL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good luck and may your cycles be optimal. -- Stuart Stock stuart@gundaker.com Systems/Security Administrator http://www.gundaker.com Gundaker Realtors "If Windows is the answer, it was a stupid question." Got a computer? Help crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 12:42:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28367 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28362 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net(165.87.194.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028357; Fri, 2 May 97 12:41:38 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out1.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA320897 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:49:52 GMT Message-Id: <199705021649.QAA320897@out1.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-3-241.il.us.ibm.net(166.72.3.241) by out1.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma9QkC92; Fri May 2 16:48:50 1997 From: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Fri, 02 May 97 12:48:59 Reply-To: "Ronald Van Iwaarden" X-Mailer: Stephanie van Iwaarden's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Deschall Outside of North America Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 01 May 97 20:41:17 -0500, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: >>> Solnet will have an OS/2 client? >> >>Yes. Within a couple of days. > >I bet ours will still be faster. The client is now avaialable and, yes, ours is faster. Their client does about 270k keys/sec where the DESChal client does about 480k keys/sec on my machine. >>> I'd rather see him stay with us. >> >>If someone is outside the US/Canada, this is not presently an option. Now, depending on what the effects of the recent congressional act, this may not be a problem anymore... --Ron o Ronald Van Iwaarden | Work to live; /\ Hope College | Live to bike; _`\ `_<=== Holland MI 49423 | Bike to work! __(_)/_(_)___.-._ voice : (616)355-7120 | http://www.cs.hope.edu/~rvaniwaa/ From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 12:52:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28521 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28513 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028509; Fri, 2 May 97 12:52:32 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA02559; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:00:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:00:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199705021700.NAA02559@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> From: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: who from mit.edu? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk mit.edu suddenly leaped in the standings from 30 magines to 140. I was curious - does anyone know who organized that? I wish I could take credit for it but I've only put about 10 machines into the mix.. If anyone else at mit.edu is interested, maybe we should put together a web page for our efforts. Also, I'm not tied into Athena, but is there any way to possibly get their 500 or so machines to play along? Probably not.. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 13:36:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28944 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28939 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.24.161.50) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028936; Fri, 2 May 97 13:36:16 -0400 Received: from usr001.USR.COM (149.112.163.71) by einstein.pcd.usr.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 May 1997 12:17:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970502171021.0068a158@einstein.pcd.usr.com> X-Sender: jgaetz@einstein.pcd.usr.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:10:21 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Johnathan P. Gaetz" Subject: Strange error on dos client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've suddenly started getting a strange error on my PPro200. Its occuring with both DESCHAL6.EXE and DESCHAL4.EXE. It goes along fine until something? goes wrong and it prints the following error message: Select: no error Can anyone tell me what's causing this or how I can fix it? Johnathan From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 14:23:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29424 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29417 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu(18.69.0.28) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029413; Fri, 2 May 97 14:23:23 -0400 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18266; Fri, 2 May 97 13:31:10 EST Received: from HIGHLAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12451; Fri, 2 May 97 13:31:42 EST Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970502143126.00aa6e80@po7.mit.edu> X-Sender: zudark@po7.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:31:26 -0400 To: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar), deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Ethan M. O'Connor" Subject: Re: who from mit.edu? In-Reply-To: <199705021700.NAA02559@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 01:00 PM 5/2/97 -0400, Nelson Minar wrote: >mit.edu suddenly leaped in the standings from 30 magines to 140. I was >curious - does anyone know who organized that? I wish I could take >credit for it but I've only put about 10 machines into the mix.. > >If anyone else at mit.edu is interested, maybe we should put together >a web page for our efforts. Also, I'm not tied into Athena, but is >there any way to possibly get their 500 or so machines to play along? >Probably not.. > I was just about to send an email asking exactly the same thing... If you'd like to continue this conversation (the reason I sent this to the list was so that other .mit people would see it) send me a note.. If memory serves, there are 8000 active IP addresses on campus, so it seems like we should be able to track down some more somewhere.. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 14:55:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29667 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29659 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.baxter.com(159.198.1.38) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029654; Fri, 2 May 97 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from msmail_smtp.roundlake.baxter.com (msmail_smtp.roundlake.baxter.com [159.198.1.81]) by ns2.baxter.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA08975; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by msmail_smtp.roundlake.baxter.com with Microsoft Mail id <336A5592@msmail_smtp.roundlake.baxter.com>; Fri, 02 May 97 13:58:58 PDT From: "Wacaser, Tom" To: "'jgaetz@ae.pcd.usr.com'" Cc: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: Re: Strange error on dos client Date: Fri, 02 May 97 13:56:00 PDT Message-ID: <336A5592@msmail_smtp.roundlake.baxter.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It is not just on PPro's, but here is the workaround: Use the IP address for the server. DESCHAL6 206.168.13.85 I suspect the machines have a DNS problem but I didn't look further. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deschall-announce [SMTP:owner-deschall-announce@gatekeeper.megasoft.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 12:10 PM To: deschall Subject: Strange error on dos client I've suddenly started getting a strange error on my PPro200. Its occuring with both DESCHAL6.EXE and DESCHAL4.EXE. It goes along fine until something? goes wrong and it prints the following error message: Select: no error Can anyone tell me what's causing this or how I can fix it? Johnathan From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 14:56:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29682 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29677 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029674; Fri, 2 May 97 14:56:38 -0400 Received: from swsip1-11.ionet.net (swsip1-11.ionet.net [207.204.108.21]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27197 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:04:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705021904.OAA27197@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Fri, 02 May 97 14:01:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Time/Date Stamp Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk If there's a new version of the clients released, can a time/date stamp be added to the output? It would be useful for logs. For that matter, is there an easy way to print the time/date to the screen? Time and Date expect you to enter new times and dates... Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:07:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29772 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29766 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dallas-cs-000.novare.net(205.229.104.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029764; Fri, 2 May 97 15:07:38 -0400 Received: from stokedboy (stokedboy.novare.net [205.229.105.38]) by dallas-cs-000.novare.net (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04101 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:24:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199705021924.OAA04101@dallas-cs-000.novare.net> From: "Charles Forsythe" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Fri, 02 May 97 14:15:01 Reply-To: "Charles Forsythe" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: who from mit.edu? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 02 May 1997 14:31:26 -0400, Ethan M. O'Connor wrote: >At 01:00 PM 5/2/97 -0400, Nelson Minar wrote: >>mit.edu suddenly leaped in the standings from 30 magines to 140. I was >>curious - does anyone know who organized that? I wish I could take >>credit for it but I've only put about 10 machines into the mix.. > >If memory serves, there are 8000 active IP addresses on campus, so >it seems like we should be able to track down some more somewhere.. Yeah, you guys! Why the hell isn't MIT in the top 10? Geez. charles@novare.net a.k.a forsythe@alum.mit.edu From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:12:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29820 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29812 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucifer.testlab.orst.edu(128.193.78.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029808; Fri, 2 May 97 15:12:03 -0400 Received: by lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <2BAY9ZST>; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:24:33 -0700 Message-ID: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929127417@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> From: Adam Haberlach To: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: next level host listings Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:24:31 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I would also like to see a listing of hosts at .orst.edu, or at least a listing by the next domain up. I'm interested to see how much of the effort is coming out of different departments... - --- Adam Haberlach haberlaa@ucs.orst.edu http://www.engr.orst.edu/~haberlad Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM2o+yhSmwqZasiJdAQGkFwQAo4KxFZRdOJWcmWGl9+/xZKRDczTxTThW ZkoJTzfRReQBwf7EqitFzGOzB/KLpJOiQdWa5MDIHMT376iFMWoP4z7i+zE/rwsf QJ8ycnS8fwouVesKCqqqdYo5LtuXFtMYRdjSgwyrCOnwYUrM0o00DsxAiLxguxXL EJ7heAXyQVw= =0n4d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:18:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29889 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29882 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t-rex.minn.net(204.157.201.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029878; Fri, 2 May 97 15:18:06 -0400 Received: from minn.net (ppp21.msp.mn.state.net [204.120.9.21]) by t-rex.minn.net (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA32496 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <336A3D77.3A41@minn.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:16:07 -0500 From: Aaron Dickinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: who from mit.edu? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I sent about 50 emails less than a week ago to students at MIT with names starting with the letter A. I asked them and their friends to join the challenge and get their school higher on the standings. It seems to have worked! I encourage everyone to email other edu's that are low on the standings. This is the email I sent them: ----- I don't know if you have heard about the DES Challenge that is going on but I encourgae you to join us! RSA has a $10,000 prize for the person who can crack their DES-encrypted message. If you join the DESCHALL group and find the correct key, you get $4000 of that for yourself. There are nearly 4,000 hosts working on it right now. MIT is THE school for Computer Science and you already have 29 people working on it and are in 20th place. I encourage you to join the group and encourage the rest of your school to do so also. Make headlines, crack the code! Please visit this site if you are interested in helping crack the code. ---- Aaron Michael Dickinson Webmaster NewsCentral http://www.everest.simplenet.com/newscentral/ ------------------------------------------------- | The Largest Newspaper Index on the Web | | More Than 2700 Links, Bigger Than Yahoo! | | Many, Many, More Added Each Week | ------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:28:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA06596 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA06587 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006227; Fri, 2 May 97 15:27:47 -0400 Received: from cl2-p5 (cl2-p5.chatlink.com [205.139.105.214]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15703 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:36:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:36:04 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Time/Date Stamp Message-Id: <862601764-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862601764-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > For that matter, is there an easy way to print the time/date to the > screen? Time and Date expect you to enter new times and dates... No problem just make a datetime.cmd (or whatever you want to call it) /* REXX */ SAY TIME() SAY DATE() ... whatever you need to do next. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:42:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08089 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08084 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graphics.lcs.mit.edu(18.24.2.30) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008080; Fri, 2 May 97 15:41:51 -0400 Received: from blur.lcs.mit.edu by graphics.lcs.mit.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA34250; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:46:45 -0400 Message-Id: <336A456A.9437774C@graphics.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:50:02 -0400 From: "Nathan D. T. Boyd" Organization: MIT Computer Graphics Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Nelson Minar Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: who from mit.edu? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705021700.NAA02559@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Nelson Minar wrote: > > mit.edu suddenly leaped in the standings from 30 magines to 140. I was > curious - does anyone know who organized that? I wish I could take > credit for it but I've only put about 10 machines into the mix.. > > If anyone else at mit.edu is interested, maybe we should put together > a web page for our efforts. Also, I'm not tied into Athena, but is > there any way to possibly get their 500 or so machines to play along? > Probably not.. I SPAMmed the MIT computer science undergraduates with an email about the DES challenge... I have a feeling there is *a lot* more potential here, as I didn't reach *any* graduate students (who have lots of hardware sitting around) or anyone in other departments. But at the same time, people often get annoyed when receiving mass mailings. I am not sure of the best approach: anyone have any suggestions? I think a WWW page is a good idea. I have a www server we can use, but I really don't have the time to put the pages together. If anyone wants to setup some pages/scripts, I can host them. As for Athena, it would be cool if people got a MOTD when they logged in letting them know about the challenge, and providing a simple script that will startup the client for them (automatically from then on when the login). -- Nate Boyd MIT Computer Graphics Group, NE43-249 mailto:boydn@graphics.lcs.mit.edu 617.258.5090 [tel] http://lumina.lcs.mit.edu/People/boydn/www 617.253.6652 [fax] From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:43:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08125 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08112 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t-rex.minn.net(204.157.201.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008104; Fri, 2 May 97 15:43:01 -0400 Received: from minn.net (ppp21.msp.mn.state.net [204.120.9.21]) by t-rex.minn.net (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA01890 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:51:39 -0500 Message-ID: <336A434E.44FB@minn.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:41:02 -0500 From: Aaron Dickinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: who from mit.edu? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I sent the email on Saturday. The surge happened about Monday or Tuesday. I think my message must have been noticed, how about you? -- Aaron Michael Dickinson Webmaster NewsCentral http://www.everest.simplenet.com/newscentral/ ------------------------------------------------- | The Largest Newspaper Index on the Web | | More Than 2700 Links, Bigger Than Yahoo! | | Many, Many, More Added Each Week | ------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:46:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08173 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08168 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu(129.186.1.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008166; Fri, 2 May 97 15:45:42 -0400 Received: from sunflower.iastate.edu (mica.geol.iastate.edu [129.186.121.6]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA32209; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:53:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970502145534.007936e0@pop-2.iastate.edu> X-Sender: satan@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:55:36 -0500 To: "Ethan M. O'Connor" From: Mikael Brown Subject: Re: who from mit.edu? Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >If memory serves, there are 8000 active IP addresses on campus, so >it seems like we should be able to track down some more somewhere.. Not to spoil anyone's parade, but I wanted to put my ethical thumb forward. As you may or may not know, Project Vincent at ISU is very similar to Project Athena at MIT. Recently SolNet clients started running on Vincent machines all over campus (hence the reason SolNet thinks 500+ machines are participating). Needless to say, the person who did this did not ask permision of machine owners before doing so.....he had to make many personal appoligies - and many computer administrators are now turned off to DES cracking efforts.... so please ask before putting DESCHALL all over campus... I don't want DESCHALL to get a bad name Below is a letter that I posted to the ISU local newsgroups regarding the issue: ------------------- "Public and Departmental Computing Facilites Being Abused by Users ?" First of all I would like to say that I am pleased with the number of ISU persons participating in the various DES cracking organizations. I am really impressed by ISU's growing participation in the SOLnet effort. Personally, I am involved with the DESCHALL effort, but I must give credit where credit is due. Curious about who is involved with the SOLnet effort, I examined their statistical data. I was very impressed by the res.iastate.edu involvement, but surprised by the number of departmental and public machines entering the SOLnet group. Upon investigation, I learned that the SOLnet client was running on several departmental and public machines under the userid of a select group of users, many of these machines running the client as root. At that point I was very, very excited. I was excited that so many work group administrators (WGA) were involved with the project. Excited that either they themselves were running a DES cracking client, or that they were allowing someone to run one on their departmental and public machines. With high spirits, I wrote some of my WGA friends, querying them on their remarkable commitment. To my dismay I learned that many were unaware of such clients running on the machines they administrate. More so, some were unhappy that DES cracking clients were running as root -- a process arranged and executed by a person in the Computation Center. I have no idea if any of the WGAs are emailing people in particular, but I did want to make this statement to the newsgroups. Yes, it is true that these DES cracking programs use idle CPU time, use minimal memory, and create little to no effect to users. But, that does not give anyone the right to run these programs on other people's machines without asking permission first. Idle CPU time is not YOUR CPU time, no matter how important you depict the DES cracking project or your job description. >From the ISU Code of Ethics: "Use of computer facilities by an individual must be authorized by the owner or administrative unit." By no means do I want to discourage participation in DES cracking at ISU. I do emphasize the importance that ISU's involvement follows the ethical guidelines the university has set. I would not want our participation blocked because of unethical misuse of such programs on campus. Right now the misuse is only evident on Project Vincent machines, so I can only imagine its misuse on PC and Mac labs around campus. I encourage everyone who is running a DES cracking client at ISU to make sure that you ask permission from the appropriate administrator first. The worst thing they can do if you ask is say no. If you don't ask and they find out, you could jeopardize the trust and goodwill of everyone involved. Thank You. --------------------------------- Now that's out of the way, I'm going to put my non-ethical middle finger towards the SolNet group and curse them for having a higher keyrate than us!!! OBnag: Let's hurry it up w/ those optimized 64-bit clients !!! Prove DES is weak, crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm --------------------- Mikael Brown "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless apon the air..." satan@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~satan From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 15:49:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08197 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08189 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008185; Fri, 2 May 97 15:48:48 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13086-7185>; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:56:54 -0600 Subject: Win 95 Startup From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97May2.135654-0600_mdt.13086-7185+117@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I just got my new machine running Win 95. I want to test it out with DESCHAL. This is the first day of my Win 95 career, so what I am about to ask is probably trivial. I wanted to create a shortcut for DESCHAL to provide all the command line parameters. Right now, the property sheet of the shortcut says Target: "C:\Howard's Files\DESCHAL5.EXE" keymaster.verser.frii.com I want to use I/O redirection to save the output to a log file, but appending ">> log" gets me nowhere. It seems that win 95 doesn't know how to handle this I/O redirection request, and passed it to DESCHAL as a parameter. How do I fix this? If I can get this right, I can put it in startup. Thanks Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. - Albert Einstein From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 16:36:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08660 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08655 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu(18.72.1.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008649; Fri, 2 May 97 16:36:10 -0400 Received: from RINGWORLD.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00208; Fri, 2 May 97 16:44:24 EDT Received: (from zudark@localhost) by ringworld.MIT.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA06851; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:44:19 -0400 From: "Ethan Michael O'Connor" Message-Id: <199705022044.QAA06851@ringworld.MIT.EDU> To: Mikael Brown Subject: Re: who from mit.edu? Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 14:55:36 CDT." <3.0.32.19970502145534.007936e0@pop-2.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:44:19 EDT Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I totally agree (re: getting permission, not hijacking public machines)... Most of Athena's machines are pretty slow, anyway :) I was thinking more along the lines of people in their dorms, private labs, etc. -Ethan From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 16:42:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14600 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14591 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: speed@ns.connext.net Received: from connext.net(207.42.196.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014585; Fri, 2 May 97 16:42:09 -0400 Received: from trident ([204.177.148.138]) by ns.connext.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29459 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705022050.QAA29459@ns.connext.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:50:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: a trickier Win95 question Reply-to: speed@connext.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk A little while ago, I offered a way to start the client software in Windows 95 upon boot-up. The problem is that when a user logs into the system, then logs out, Windows 95 wants to close all programs and will ask him or her to kill the deschall client. If anyone reading this has experience with the Windows 95 registry - we need a way to tell Win95 to let this app continue running when a user logs out. It is probably one of Microsoft's many undocumented "features". Also, making it hidden would be helpful (although using the 'start' command, you can make it start minimized). Thanks. - Mark From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 16:42:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14601 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14590 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.usorder.com(204.4.28.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014583; Fri, 2 May 97 16:41:56 -0400 Received: (from shutdown@localhost) by fw.usorder.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) id RAA31642 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:09:58 -0400 Received: from reddog.intelidata.com(192.168.40.1) by fw.usorder.com via smap (V2.0beta) id xma031575; Fri, 2 May 97 17:09:27 -0400 Received: from distribution.usorder.com by usorder.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA23614; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:46:51 -0400 Received: from totoro.usorder.com by distribution.usorder.com (8.6.12/ADD-KEV-4.1) id OAA11078; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:47:29 -0600 Received: by totoro.usorder.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5718.E0C6FC60@totoro.usorder.com>; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC5718.E0C6FC60@totoro.usorder.com> From: Shaun Stuart To: "'deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com'" Subject: RE: Win 95 Startup Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:50:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >Target: "C:\Howard's Files\DESCHAL5.EXE" keymaster.verser.frii.com > >I want to use I/O redirection to save the output to a log file, but >appending ">> log" gets me nowhere. It seems that win 95 doesn't know >how to handle this I/O redirection request, and passed it to DESCHAL >as a parameter. Try making a batch file that has the command "C:\Howard's Files\DESCHAL5.EXE" keymaster.verser.frii.com >> log and then make the shortcut execute the batch file. Shaun From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 17:28:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14809 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14804 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from is.isoc.net(207.123.68.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014802; Fri, 2 May 97 17:28:22 -0400 Received: from noggle.isoc.net (noggle.isoc.net [207.123.68.210]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id fa024211 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:44:53 -0400 To: Howard Cheng Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Win 95 Startup Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 20:42:43 GMT Message-ID: <336a516b.2606587@mail.isoc.net> References: <97May2.135654-0600_mdt.13086-7185+117@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> In-Reply-To: <97May2.135654-0600_mdt.13086-7185+117@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997 13:56:51 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: > I wanted to create a shortcut for DESCHAL to provide all the command >line parameters. Right now, the property sheet of the shortcut says > >Target: "C:\Howard's Files\DESCHAL5.EXE" keymaster.verser.frii.com > >I want to use I/O redirection to save the output to a log file, but >appending ">> log" gets me nowhere. It seems that win 95 doesn't know >how to handle this I/O redirection request, and passed it to DESCHAL >as a parameter. > >How do I fix this? If I can get this right, I can put it in startup. Make a batch file and have the shortcut run the batch file. my.bat = cd "c:\howard's files" deschal5 keymaster.verser.frii.com >> log Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 17:46:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14926 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14921 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from protos.lifesci.ucla.edu(164.67.8.70) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014919; Fri, 2 May 97 17:46:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by protos.lifesci.ucla.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA08043; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:54:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: TC Lai cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Running lab clients (was Re: who from mit.edu?) In-Reply-To: <199705022044.QAA06851@ringworld.MIT.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just as a reminder, moast of these clients are pretty small - small enough to fit on a 1.44 floppy with room for the resulting logs. If everybody carried a copy of DESCHALL with them (or even gave them as gifts to friends and colleagues) and ran them while reading their e-mail or surfing the web at lab machines, we could eek out some significant gains. Clearly, this would only be acceptable on standalone desktop machines (lab macs, pcs, workstations) since you're merely soaking up wasted processor cycles (how intensive is running a terminal emulator?) 10 minutes of e-mail = 10 minutes of processing time. Assuming 2^22 keys every 100 seconds (due to keystroke and mouse activity) that's 2^27 (?) keys that could be processed by one client at one time. TC From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 18:26:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15046 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15039 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.121.101.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015035; Fri, 2 May 97 18:26:37 -0400 Received: (from paonia@localhost) by exon.massart.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14066; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:34:47 -0400 From: Paonia Ezrine Message-Id: <199705022234.SAA14066@exon.massart.edu> Subject: nice value on macs To: tclai@protos.lifesci.ucla.edu (TC Lai) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "TC Lai" at May 2, 97 02:54:43 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk been playing with the newest mac client and I like it is a large imporvment over the first one. But I was wondering what does the nice value actualy mean? thanks paonia -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paonia Ezrine | Mass Art | | paonia@massart.edu | 621 Huntington Ave | | 617-232-1555 ext 357 | Boston, MA 02115 | | 617-566-4034 (fax) | www.massart.edu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:07:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15201 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15193 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015189; Fri, 2 May 97 19:07:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07073 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Time/Date Stamp In-Reply-To: <199705021904.OAA27197@mail.ionet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: >For that matter, is there an easy way to print the time/date to the >screen? Time and Date expect you to enter new times and dates... I am assuming this is from a DOS prompt? try: echo. | date echo. | time -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:10:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15224 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15219 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015214; Fri, 2 May 97 19:09:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07209 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:18:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:18:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: next level host listings In-Reply-To: <71846B925036CF11BD6D00C0D1570929127417@lucifer.TestLab.ORST.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Adam Haberlach wrote: > > I would also like to see a listing of hosts at .orst.edu, or at >least a listing by the next domain up. I'm interested to see >how much of the effort is coming out of different departments... I'll second that request. Many of the other DES efforts show third level domains. Any chance we could? -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:10:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15232 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15227 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu(18.72.1.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015225; Fri, 2 May 97 19:10:40 -0400 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28323; Fri, 2 May 97 19:19:00 EDT Received: from HIGHLAND.MIT.EDU by MIT.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11537; Fri, 2 May 97 18:18:59 EST Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970502191839.00aa0100@po7.mit.edu> X-Sender: zudark@po7.mit.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:18:39 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Ethan M. O'Connor" Subject: Our lead over SolNet...? In-Reply-To: <199705022234.SAA14066@exon.massart.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk (A quick aside before the main body of my email: How is SolNet managing 2GKeys/sec with only 4000 hosts reporting for that time period (7:00pm EDT today)? They must be running a richer mix of machines by a long shot, even if you consider that some of our hosts/day are from dynamic IP's.) All arguements about competition/cooperation aside, I did some quick calculations to see how long our lead over SolNet will last under a few (bad) assumptions: 1) That we worked today (Friday) at the same rate as on Thursday. 2) That we and SolNet will continue to work at the same rates we are now (As I said, _bad_ (but easier) assumptions). Under those assumptions, I calculate that our lead will last 600800 seconds, or 6 days, 23 hours. We are unlikely to find the key in that time period :) So let's recruit like crazy this weekend, and get those 2GKey/sec 64bit bitslice clients out! Or, we could all enjoy the beautiful weather and go rollerblading or participate in our outdoor activity of choice. ---------------------------------------------- Ethan O'Connor |Does cracking DES seem like too zudark@mit.edu |easy a challenge? Join the |Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search |http://www.mersenne.org/ From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:16:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15277 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15272 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015270; Fri, 2 May 97 19:16:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07716 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:24:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: other ports In-Reply-To: <199705012043.QAA03601@exon.massart.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Paonia Ezrine wrote: >It was asked a while back if other port where needed. a windows 3.1 port >would be helpful. It would be slower but better then nothing. There are still *a lot* of Win 3.1 machines out there. I realize its 16-bit, and multitasks differently, but it seems a waste not to harness that many machines... -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:21:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15325 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15317 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015313; Fri, 2 May 97 19:20:59 -0400 Received: from cl7-p3 (cl7-p3.chatlink.com [205.139.105.180]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28482 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:29:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:29:07 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? Message-Id: <862615747-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862615747-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > Or, we could all enjoy the beautiful weather and > go rollerblading or participate in our outdoor activity > of choice. Good, that will leave the comptuer free to concentrate on Deschall. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:35:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15364 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15359 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu(129.105.16.57) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015354; Fri, 2 May 97 19:34:52 -0400 Received: from [199.74.124.102] (mantodea.res-hall.nwu.edu) by merle.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210326576; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:42:56 -0500 X-Sender: gadad@merle.acns.nwu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:42:56 -0500 To: "Ethan M. O'Connor" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: gadad@nwu.edu (Vijay Gadad) Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 6:18 PM 5/2/97, Ethan M. O'Connor wrote: >So let's recruit like crazy this weekend, and get those >2GKey/sec 64bit bitslice clients out! > >Or, we could all enjoy the beautiful weather and >go rollerblading or participate in our outdoor activity >of choice. Unfortunately, the weather here in Chicagoland sucks. I don't think I own anything dry anymore. Fortunately for DESChall, this has given me time to write a letter to the Daily Northwestern. Sometime next week, if the story is published, we should get quite a boost from some of our thousands of networked dorm machines. Just today, a friend and I managed to get about a half-dozen PPros and "umpteen" Pentium 90's (don't ask). SolNet can't rest easy yet.... Vijay Gadad gadad@nwu.edu From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 19:47:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15428 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15423 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015421; Fri, 2 May 97 19:47:10 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09512 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02772 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id TAA08120 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:55:03 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id TAA09003 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705022355.TAA09003@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: 64bit clients To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:55:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Are any of the initial 64 bit codes available? I have several Ultra2's I'd like to try it on. Should have about 12 Ultra2's up in a couple of weeks. Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 20:06:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15483 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15478 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015476; Fri, 2 May 97 20:06:25 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA01943; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:14:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA09140; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:14:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: next level host listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer) wrote: > I'll second that request. Many of the other DES efforts show third level > domains. Any chance we could? Someone is already working on enhancing the statistics... No reason why this can't be included. :-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Linux -- the choice of the GNU generation. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 20:07:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15499 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15488 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu(128.173.43.251) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015484; Fri, 2 May 97 20:06:55 -0400 Received: (from cjackson@localhost) by cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07960; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Action Jackson Message-Id: <199705030015.UAA07960@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Running lab clients (was Re: who from mit.edu?) In-Reply-To: from TC Lai at "May 2, 97 02:54:43 pm" To: tclai@protos.lifesci.ucla.edu (TC Lai) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Reply-To: cjackson@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This would bring up another valid point. As long as you could configure the size of the key block you wanted to download this option would work. I doubt many people would want to sit around in the computer lab (except geeks like me :) for 40 minutes while their 2^30 block is crunching. -Chris From owner-deschall-announce@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Fri May 2 18:10:33 1997 > > 10 minutes of e-mail = 10 minutes of processing time. Assuming 2^22 keys > every 100 seconds (due to keystroke and mouse activity) that's 2^27 (?) > keys that could be processed by one client at one time. > > TC > > -- Chris Jackson***cjackson@vt.edu***http://acm.vt.edu/~cjackson/ Virginia Tech ACM WWW Staff http://acm.vt.edu/ ****Help Crack DES Now! ----> http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm**** From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 20:19:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15564 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15559 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015557; Fri, 2 May 97 20:19:16 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA02233 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:27:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA09209 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:27:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970502191839.00aa0100@po7.mit.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Ethan M. O'Connor wrote: > How is SolNet managing > 2GKeys/sec with only 4000 hosts reporting > for that time period (7:00pm EDT today)? Multiprocessor systems? Who knows. It's also hard to compare numbers between the two efforts. They appear to have server problems, which creates huge peaks after the server burps. Also, not averaging out the number for a 24 hour period allows for somewhat higher numbers. > We are unlikely to find the key in that time period :) That's around 2% of the keyspace, so we've got a 2% chance. > So let's recruit like crazy this weekend, and get those > 2GKey/sec 64bit bitslice clients out! You're not going to see any 2Gkey/sec clients anytime soon... Not unless we figure out how to steal SolNet's work, and count them as a single client. ;-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Perl is designed to give you several ways to do anything, so consider picking the most readable one. -- Larry Wall in the Perl man page From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 20:40:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15599 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15594 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015592; Fri, 2 May 97 20:40:48 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA02645 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA09270 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: DES Violation Group gone. Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >From the DVG webpage: Due to lack of support, resources, and time to invest, the DES Violation Group has become inactive. With alternatives such as SolNET going more than ten times faster, our effort is just "wasting CPU cycles", to quote an email we have received. We would like to thank all those who devoted time, effort and CPU cycles to our cause. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 21:15:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15721 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15716 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu(141.209.1.16) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015714; Fri, 2 May 97 21:15:07 -0400 Received: from [153.35.112.5] by CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 02 May 97 21:21:51 EDT X-Sender: 3yt7knq@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 21:24:06 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Charles E. Novitski" Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have a few naive questions. Are both (all) groups starting from the smallest keys and working up? (So the slower group's work is always redundant?) a) Why don't the groups work cooperatively, checking non-overlapping keys sets first? b) If cooperation isn't possible, why doesn't one group select keys by an alternative method, ie. either at random, or starting from the other end? (I gather from their web page that one group, the DES Violation group has given up in response to SolNet progress.) >>(A quick aside before the main body of my >>email: How is SolNet managing >>2GKeys/sec with only 4000 hosts reporting >>for that time period (7:00pm EDT today)? >>They must be running a richer mix of machines by >>a long shot, even if you consider that some >>of our hosts/day are from dynamic IP's.) >> >>All arguements about competition/cooperation >>aside, I did some quick calculations to see >>how long our lead over SolNet will last under >>a few (bad) assumptions: >> >>1) That we worked today (Friday) at the same rate as >>on Thursday. >> >>2) That we and SolNet will continue to work at the same >>rates we are now (As I said, _bad_ (but easier) assumptions). >> >>Under those assumptions, I calculate that our lead will >>last 600800 seconds, or 6 days, 23 hours. >> >>We are unlikely to find the key in that time period :) >> >>So let's recruit like crazy this weekend, and get those >>2GKey/sec 64bit bitslice clients out! >> >>Or, we could all enjoy the beautiful weather and >>go rollerblading or participate in our outdoor activity >>of choice. >> >> >>---------------------------------------------- >>Ethan O'Connor |Does cracking DES seem like too >>zudark@mit.edu |easy a challenge? Join the >> |Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search >> |http://www.mersenne.org/ > > > From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 21:38:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15789 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15784 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net(204.127.131.34) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015782; Fri, 2 May 97 21:38:24 -0400 Received: from danielbe ([207.146.232.209]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5679; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:46:39 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Daniel Berlin" To: "Charles E. Novitski" Cc: Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 21:47:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Message-ID: <19970503014637.AAA5679@danielbe> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk almost time for a deschall list FAQ :) a.Somebody (don't remember at the moment, not looking through all my mail) determined that if we cooperated, assuming either exponential or linear growth, it really wouldn't make much difference. b. I don't see why they don't do it randomly, if they don't already. If you really wanted to be malicious to solnet (the setting isn't configurable YET on our clients) you would just request the max keyblocks (on a pentium 133 under winnt, it's around 25) keyblocks, get them, quit, and repeat this. It takes 12 hours for them to expire keyblocks. I figure by then you could have requested a significant portion of keyspace (don't feel like doing the math), which, if you were malicious enough to do any of this in the first place, you would probably want to keep. You could theoreticaly control a certain percentage of the keyspace (this is what clients do obviously, but they actually take the time to crack). anyway i'll shutup now Dan ---- From: Charles E. Novitski To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? >I have a few naive questions. Are both (all) groups starting from the >smallest keys and working up? (So the slower group's work is always >redundant?) >a) Why don't the groups work cooperatively, checking non-overlapping keys >sets first? >b) If cooperation isn't possible, why doesn't one group select keys by an >alternative method, ie. either at random, or starting from the other end? > >(I gather from their web page that one group, the DES Violation group has >given up in response to SolNet progress.) > >>>(A quick aside before the main body of my >>>email: How is SolNet managing >>>2GKeys/sec with only 4000 hosts reporting >>>for that time period (7:00pm EDT today)? >>>They must be running a richer mix of machines by >>>a long shot, even if you consider that some >>>of our hosts/day are from dynamic IP's.) >>> >>>All arguements about competition/cooperation >>>aside, I did some quick calculations to see >>>how long our lead over SolNet will last under >>>a few (bad) assumptions: >>> >>>1) That we worked today (Friday) at the same rate as >>>on Thursday. >>> >>>2) That we and SolNet will continue to work at the same >>>rates we are now (As I said, _bad_ (but easier) assumptions). >>> >>>Under those assumptions, I calculate that our lead will >>>last 600800 seconds, or 6 days, 23 hours. >>> >>>We are unlikely to find the key in that time period :) >>> >>>So let's recruit like crazy this weekend, and get those >>>2GKey/sec 64bit bitslice clients out! >>> >>>Or, we could all enjoy the beautiful weather and >>>go rollerblading or participate in our outdoor activity >>>of choice. >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------- >>>Ethan O'Connor |Does cracking DES seem like too >>>zudark@mit.edu |easy a challenge? Join the >>> |Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search >>> |http://www.mersenne.org/ >> >> >> > > From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 21:40:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15807 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15802 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015800; Fri, 2 May 97 21:40:46 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA04477; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:48:53 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: [comp.os.linux.announce] WANTED: RC5-56 crypto contest: Wanted, your spare cyles. From: Nelson Minar Date: 02 May 1997 21:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 77 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk More competition.. I sure wish the RC5 folks would hold off and let DES be broken first. It's a much more important topic. In the meantime, a similar press release to c.o.l.a. might be a good idea. I can help edit one. ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: Michael Driscoll Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Subject: WANTED: RC5-56 crypto contest: Wanted, your spare cyles. Followup-To: poster Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:1:36 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is to announce that there is a new attempt at the RSA Labs RC5 56-bit cryptography contest underway to replace the currently defunct one coordinated by genx.net. For those not aware, this contest is one of many set up by RSA Labs for the purpose of showing the public that the current export laws on strong encryption in the United States are a serious handicap to secure communications. Documentation for these contests can be found at . As some of you may be aware, during the zero.genx.net attempt the team representing linux (linux@linuxnet.org) was #1 in number of keyblocks completed, and had a three-fold lead over the nearest contender. Unfortunately, due to hold-ups with getting new hardware, the zero.genx.net attempt is currently on hold. Another attempt, known as the Bovine RC5 Cracking Effort, has therefore been started in its place. You can find details about the Bovine Effort at . What we are asking is that you donate any spare cycles you might have towards running RC5 keys. All you have to do is download the client available at the Bovine site and run it with the following arguments: rc5 -n -a & For example, the following uses the server suck.it.ca and runs at nicelevel 20 (only uses idle time), and all completed blocks go on the linux@linuxnet.org team: rc5 -n 20 -a suck.it.ca linux@linuxnet.org & A list of keyservers is available at the Bovine site. Mike Driscoll (mikecd on EFNet #rc5) - -- This article has been digitally signed by the moderator, using PGP. http://www.iki.fi/liw/lars-public-key.asc has PGP key for validating signature. Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. This group is archived at http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/cola.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM2i+dYQRll5MupLRAQFaIwQAqDctw/iWlNS+l1TrtApRDYBu2RviyDeu b0/ZF1gSCyvw6GCqxbiky6+hgOuL6ikWe8uAaKaCYv3qA8HflGdKjEsjHnzFt9Ug cucxjp5bBdr8/enYKUoHAVeiglcM3nGvTILdBSMTvHpdVlj+BfAVotr2LLu7nKeK KNC0pM3IkAQ= =JJhj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 21:41:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15822 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15817 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xanadu.io.com(199.170.88.6) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015815; Fri, 2 May 97 21:41:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (timur@localhost) by xanadu.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA00535 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:39 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: xanadu.io.com: timur owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Timur Tabi To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Now cranking away at 475k pairs/sec on OS/2! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Now cranking away at 475,000 pairs/sec is my contribution to the DES challenge. System: P6-200 running under OS/2 Warp 4, probably around 20 hours/day every day, at least until the MIS department finds out I'm running udprelay on their Unix box and staying logged in all the time :-) -- Timur Tabi, timur@io.com, http://www.io.com/~timur/index.html THE OS/2 Programming Page: http://www.edm2.com/common/links.html ... In Windows 95, no one can hear you scream From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 21:54:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15888 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15883 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lib.oru.edu(205.143.139.34) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015881; Fri, 2 May 97 21:54:09 -0400 Received: from brian.oru.edu (brian.oru.edu [205.143.137.65]) by lib.oru.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20301 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:02:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <336A9CB8.E5E3F50D@oru.edu> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:02:32 -0500 From: Brian Young Organization: Oral Roberts University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: more clients X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have two machines that run SCO UNIX and one that runs SCO Unixware and three monster Mini's that run DG/UX. I know that in the big picture, this is not much, but clients for those machines would be nice. -- byoung@oru.edu Brian Young Internet Systems Admin Oral Roberts University From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 21:57:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15916 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15911 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t-rex.minn.net(204.157.201.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015909; Fri, 2 May 97 21:57:11 -0400 Received: from minn.net (ppp49.msp.mn.state.net [204.120.9.49]) by t-rex.minn.net (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA07412 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <336A9DC6.7418@minn.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:07:02 -0500 From: Aaron Dickinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Win 3.1 and DOS X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I have 15 DX/2 66's that I could have running 16hrs/day if you can get a version of the program that will run in Win 3.1/DOS. Can I expect it anytime soon? -- Aaron Michael Dickinson Webmaster NewsCentral http://www.everest.simplenet.com/newscentral/ ------------------------------------------------- | The Largest Newspaper Index on the Web | | More Than 2700 Links, Bigger Than Yahoo! | | Many, Many, More Added Each Week | ------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 22:07:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA15946 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA15941 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015939; Fri, 2 May 97 22:06:58 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA04589; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:15:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:15:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199705030215.WAA04589@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> From: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) To: Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? In-Reply-To: <19970503014637.AAA5679@danielbe> References: <19970503014637.AAA5679@danielbe> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >a.Somebody (don't remember at the moment, not looking through all my mail) >determined that if we cooperated, assuming either exponential or linear >growth, it really wouldn't make much difference. I still don't believe this. Could someone explain it in more detail? My gut intuition is it makes a 50% speedup if two sites to cooperate. >b. I don't see why they don't do it randomly, if they don't already. How does the deschall server pick the keyspace to search? Randomly seems right to me. From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 22:39:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA16056 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA16051 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016049; Fri, 2 May 97 22:39:21 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id WAA05591; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005589; Fri, 2 May 97 22:49:13 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04950; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705030245.WAA04950@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Daniel Berlin" Cc: "Charles E. Novitski" , Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? In-Reply-To: <19970503014637.AAA5679@danielbe> References: <19970503014637.AAA5679@danielbe> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Berlin writes: Daniel> almost time for a deschall list FAQ :) http://www.research.megasoft.com/deschall/deschall-faq.html -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 23:16:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA16236 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA16231 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rarloa-4.pr.mcs.net(205.253.85.124) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016229; Fri, 2 May 97 23:16:02 -0400 Received: from [205.253.85.123] (rarloa-3.pr.mcs.net [205.253.85.123]) by rarloa-4.pr.mcs.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA14837; Fri, 2 May 1997 22:28:44 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705020214.VAA06871@purcell.ecn.purdue.edu> References: <199705011533.IAA15161@goblin.punk.net> from "Jeff Simmons" at May 1, 97 08:33:26 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:29:45 -0600 To: Michael J Gebis From: Wayde Milas Subject: Re: Export laws revisited Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >As someone else already mentioned, Mosaic was developed at the >University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC). More >specifically, it was developed at the UIUC supercomputing site, The >National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) in the Software >Development Group (SDG) (which was strangely enough located in the Oil >Chemistry Building (OCB)). Notice that NCSA is funded by the National >Science Foundations (NSF) which is funded by the United States (US) >Goverment. For this reason, it's not clear that the government would >have the same problem (or authority) to complain to a private entity. >Perhaps they just wanted to make sure they weren't _funding_ such >efforts. (OK, so it's doubtful they are really thinking this >way--it's just that this example doesn't show this) > >BTW, you should clue into the fact ASAP that I lived in Acronym Hell >(AH) for four years of my life. :) Heh heh. I think all of us did. IMPE, ISR, DCL, you name it. >Mike Gebis gebis@ecn.purdue.edu mgebis@eternal.net Wayde From owner-deschall-announce Fri May 2 23:21:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA16255 for deschall-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA16250 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016247; Fri, 2 May 97 23:21:29 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA28470 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:30:48 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199705030330.UAA28470@goblin.punk.net> Subject: Cooperation To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Here's a little thought experiment for you. Imagine there are 100 keys. I pick 25 at random, you pick 25 at random. So together we've picked 50. We're half way through the keyspace, and together we have a 50% chance of having found the right key. Wrong of course. Since I've covered 25% of the keyspace, each of your choices has a 25% chance of being one of the keys I've already picked. So the number of dual-picked keys, on average will be 25% of 25, or 6.25 duplicates. So together we've only searched 43.75 unique keys. We have to search 6.25 more keys together, or 3.125 each. Now the odds of picking identical keys are slightly higher, say 30% (way too high, but it's a thought experiment). So say we have to search 4 more keys each to get to 50 unique, counting duplicates. So on average, if I pick 29 keys and you pick 29 keys, we'll have each have picked 21 unique keys, and 8 that were duplicated. Total searched - 58. Total unique - 50. 58/50 = 1.16 *ON AVERAGE* this is the penalty for not cooperating. The serious math to get the exact number is left as an exercise for the student. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 00:11:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16394 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16389 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu(165.230.180.132) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016386; Sat, 3 May 97 00:11:29 -0400 Received: from nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu (nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.140.176]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA27598 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:19:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199705030419.AAA27598@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Scott McIntyre" To: "Deschall List" Subject: Command Line Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:19:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This may be a really obvious question but... Why do we have to specify the keyserver on the command line? Can't it just be hardwired in? If the keyserver does change, won't Rocke just change the DNS mapping so that "keymaster.verser.frii.com" has a different IP? It seems to me that just this simple change would (sadly) make the client much easier to use. Also, does deschall ever access the executable after it is started up? I want to walk into the computer lab, stick my disk in the machine, run deschall, take my disk and leave. Any problems with this? Scott McIntyre ------------ smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu DES Rutgers - http://nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu - Break the Code From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 00:22:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16430 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16425 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu(152.11.5.107) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016423; Sat, 3 May 97 00:22:32 -0400 Received: (from ahn@localhost) by indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id AAA08367 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:23:12 -0400 From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) Message-Id: <199705030423.AAA08367@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Subject: Irix64/R10000 optimizations To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Greetings. I'm new to the list. The performance of deschall on my lot of SGI R10000 based machines seems to be pretty pathetic...I'm getting only 400K keys/sec per processor. Looking over the mailing list archive, there are reports of Pentium's that are doing a lot better than this. Are there any plans to optimize the code for these machines? Or 64 bit Sparcs? Or HP-PA's? Dave. -- Dave Ahn, ahn@vec.bgsm.edu "When you were born you cried, and the ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu world rejoiced. Try to live your life Virtual Endoscopy Center so that when you die you will rejoice, Bowman Gray School of Medicine and the world will cry." -1/2 jj^2 From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 00:46:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16492 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16487 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02a02.cac.psu.edu(146.186.15.12) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016485; Sat, 3 May 97 00:46:35 -0400 Received: from jrj120.rh.psu.edu (JRJ120.rh.psu.edu [128.118.201.129]) by r02n02.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA63416 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:54:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970503005451.0069d364@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: jrj120@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 00:54:51 -0400 To: "Deschall List" From: James Juran Subject: Re: Command Line In-Reply-To: <199705030419.AAA27598@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_862649691==_" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk --=====================_862649691==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:19 AM 5/3/97 -0400, Scott McIntyre wrote: >Why do we have to specify the keyserver on the command line? Can't it >just be hardwired in? If the keyserver does change, won't Rocke just >change the DNS mapping so that "keymaster.verser.frii.com" has a >different IP? It seems to me that just this simple change would >(sadly) make the client much easier to use. I created a batch file for Win95/MSDOS so that you only have to run that batch file to start DESCHALL. It redirects output to a log file, and puts a date and time stamp in the file. Here it is: --=====================_862649691==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" @echo off echo. echo. echo.|date >> deschlog.txt echo.|time >> deschlog.txt deschal5 keymaster.verser.frii.com >> deschlog.txt --=====================_862649691==_-- From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 00:59:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16556 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16551 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(207.121.101.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016549; Sat, 3 May 97 00:58:45 -0400 Received: (from paonia@localhost) by exon.massart.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA16315; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:06:33 -0400 From: Paonia Ezrine Message-Id: <199705030506.BAA16315@exon.massart.edu> Subject: Re: Command Line To: smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu (Scott McIntyre) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <199705030419.AAA27598@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> from "Scott McIntyre" at May 3, 97 00:19:50 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > This may be a really obvious question but... > > > Why do we have to specify the keyserver on the command line? Can't it > just be hardwired in? If the keyserver does change, won't Rocke just > change the DNS mapping so that "keymaster.verser.frii.com" has a > different IP? It seems to me that just this simple change would > (sadly) make the client much easier to use. because not everone uses the same keyserver so people use proxys or gateways. > > Also, does deschall ever access the executable after it is started up? > I want to walk into the computer lab, stick my disk in the machine, run > deschall, take my disk and leave. Any problems with this? > mac on pc. I would work on a pc. Not sure about a mac. You could always copy it to temp space and then leave. This might be considered rude though mostly the leaving it running part. paonia > Scott McIntyre > ------------ > smcintyr@eden.rutgers.edu > DES Rutgers - http://nowhammy.dorm.rutgers.edu - Break the Code > > -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paonia Ezrine | Mass Art | | paonia@massart.edu | 621 Huntington Ave | | 617-232-1555 ext 357 | Boston, MA 02115 | | 617-566-4034 (fax) | www.massart.edu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 01:38:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA16765 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA16760 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hops.cs.jhu.edu(128.220.13.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016758; Sat, 3 May 97 01:38:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (cklempay@localhost) by hops.cs.jhu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA28839 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Corbett J. Klempay" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Optimized key rates? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just a question out of curiousity...I see all this talk of work being done on creating highly optimized binaries for Alphas, Ultrasparcs, and the rest...what would you guys guess that a well-optimized Alpha binary would pull in keys/sec on, say, an Alpha 500? I'm just wondering what kind of improvement we're talking here...I would imagine substantial (I would hope so...I saw on Rocke's page that an Ultra2 barely edges out a single Pro 200), but I'm just curious as to what kind of improvement we can expect. On a side note (somewhat unrelated), would anyone be able to point me to a good site to find SpecInt and SpecFp figures for Alphas, Ultrasparcs, and a few other upper-echelon processors? Corbett J. Klempay cklempay@jhu.edu http://www.ugrad.cs.jhu.edu/~cklempay (410) 516-3565 From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 02:21:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16956 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16951 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s5-171-9.student.washington.edu(128.95.171.9) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016949; Sat, 3 May 97 02:21:32 -0400 Received: (from xyzzy@localhost) by s5-171-9.student.washington.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA03800; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:30:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 23:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent Piepho To: DESCHALL Subject: options for des client Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It there any list of command line options for the client? It seems there is one for speed testing and the required keyserver name. Any others? It seems email addresses aren't kept track of. How will the $4000 go to the right person, seeing as many many people have dynamic IP addresses? Minor gripe: How about having the client print a mk/sec benchmark instead of making me get a calculator out. The client prints out: Processor 1 -- blah blah This sounds like it should be possible to get a processor 2 line. It there some option to have the client fork and split the block in two? Or am I supposed to run two clients? (I have a dual P133) How about a minimal output option that doesn't print the dots? I usually redirect the output to a log file and the dots just waste space. Something the genx rc5 client did that I tought was nice was to stop after it finished a keyblock if you sent it a HUP signal. That way you could stop a bunch of clients (lab opens..) and not have them lose all the blocks they were working on. I added a feature to the genx client that would have it scan the utmp file and as soon as someone logged on it would stop, and then start up again when they logged out. This let me run it 24 hours on some lab machines which were slowed down too much (both real and imagined slowdown) even at nice level 20. Any way to add this feature? I'm taking a VLSI class this quarter, and the final project it to design some kind of chip. We actually get to have the ships fabricated. I was thinking of a DES cracking chip. I'm not sure how fast it would be, but it should be possible to crack 1 key per clock cycle, assuming one can fit all the S-boxes for the 16 stages on the chip. A 10Mhz clock would be 10x faster than a PPro 200, no? A 2.0 micron 5.29 mm^2 chip is < $100 each from MOSIS. |Gazing up to the breeze of the heavens \ on a quest, meaning, reason | |came to be, how it begun \ all alone in the family of the sun | |curiosity teasing everyone \ on our home, third stone from the sun. | |Trent Piepho (xyzzy@u.washington.edu) -- Metallica | From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 02:28:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16981 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16976 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016974; Sat, 3 May 97 02:28:31 -0400 Received: from cl8-p2 (cl8-p2.chatlink.com [205.139.105.188]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16682 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:36:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 23:36:48 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: options for des client Message-Id: <862641408-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862641408-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > It there any list of command line options for the client? It seems there > is one for speed testing and the required keyserver name. Any others? Check the FAQ on the homepage, nothing usefull. > The client prints out: Processor 1 -- blah blah > This sounds like it should be possible to get a processor 2 line. It there > some option to have the client fork and split the block in two? Or am > I supposed to run two clients? (I have a dual P133) Just run however many clients as there are processors. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 02:45:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17030 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17025 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.cc.umr.edu(131.151.1.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017023; Sat, 3 May 97 02:45:18 -0400 Received: from saucer.cc.umr.edu (saucer.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.58]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.8.5/R.4.20) id BAA13306; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from (starling@localhost) by saucer.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id BAA10706; Sat, 3 May 1997 01:53:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199705030653.BAA10706@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Subject: Ultrasparc Client... To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:53:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Starling" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Here's another call for an optimized Ultrasparc client. I've got access to about 12 Ultras for varying number of hours a day. An optimized client would really help churn out the keys... especially on the ones that are doing absolutely nothing but deschall. So count me in as another potentially satisfied customer of an optimized 64bit sparc client. I'd pitch in and help, but I'm afraid I lack the expertise... but I'm doing what I can by rounding up machines. starling From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 02:47:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17045 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17040 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017038; Sat, 3 May 97 02:46:52 -0400 Received: from [205.177.148.32] (rcm-as1s14.erols.com [205.177.146.14]) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA18553 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:58:18 -0400 X-Sender: insect@mail.antennahead.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705030506.BAA16315@exon.massart.edu> References: <199705030419.AAA27598@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> from "Scott McIntyre" at May 3, 97 00:19:50 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 02:54:57 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: andrew meggs Subject: Re: Command Line Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >> Also, does deschall ever access the executable after it is started up? >> I want to walk into the computer lab, stick my disk in the machine, run >> deschall, take my disk and leave. Any problems with this? >> >mac or pc? It would work on a pc. Not sure about a mac. On a PowerMac, if the machine is using either virtual memory or RamDoubler then the executable will be file-mapped into the address space and swapped in (or out) as needed, so it won't even let you unmount the floppy. ____________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Meggs, content provider Antennahead Industries, Inc. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 02:54:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17069 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17064 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017062; Sat, 3 May 97 02:53:55 -0400 Received: from swsip1-12.ionet.net (swsip1-12.ionet.net [207.204.108.22]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA26336; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:01:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705030701.CAA26336@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" , "Timur Tabi" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 01:53:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Now cranking away at 475k pairs/sec on OS/2! Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:39 -0500 (CDT), Timur Tabi wrote: >Now cranking away at 475,000 pairs/sec is my contribution to the DES >challenge. > >System: P6-200 running under OS/2 Warp 4, probably around 20 hours/day >every day, at least until the MIS department finds out I'm running >udprelay on their Unix box and staying logged in all the time :-) Go Timur!!!! Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 04:11:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA18804 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 04:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA18799 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 04:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018797; Sat, 3 May 97 04:11:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA07623 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 03:19:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 03:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: options for des client In-Reply-To: <862641408-0-andrew@chatlink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Andrew James Alan Welty wrote: > >> The client prints out: Processor 1 -- blah blah >> This sounds like it should be possible to get a processor 2 line. It >there >> some option to have the client fork and split the block in two? Or am >> I supposed to run two clients? (I have a dual P133) > >Just run however many clients as there are processors. Does your client have the #multiprocessors option? deschall server #2 (I think that's the right format.) -Ben From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 05:01:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18881 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 05:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA18876 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 05:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.jfku.edu(204.161.52.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018874; Sat, 3 May 97 05:01:15 -0400 Received: by jfku.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02080; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:09:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 02:09:33 -0700 From: runge@jfku.edu (Karl J. runge) Message-Id: <9705030909.AA02080@jfku.edu> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar)' dated: Fri, 2 May 1997 22:15:05 -0400 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote: > >a.Somebody (don't remember at the moment, not looking through all my mail) > >determined that if we cooperated, assuming either exponential or linear > >growth, it really wouldn't make much difference. > > I still don't believe this. Could someone explain it in more detail? > My gut intuition is it makes a 50% speedup if two sites to cooperate. Hi, I was the poster from last week on the cooperation estimations, sorry for not getting back earlier but my ISP connection was shut down since Tuesday, and I'm just now getting caught up on about 200+ deschall emails! The basic idea is one can compute the *average* time to find the key by making various assumptions about cooperating and non-cooperating keyservers. Note that these models may become invalid as the weeks go on. First, if there are two keyservers going at equal and constant rates, the average time to find the key is 33% higher for non-coop versus coop. (it would be 100% higher, i.e. take twice as long, if they were doing the same keys in order, but the chances for that are very small) I then did some modeling of our growth rate, exponential and linear. I note our growth rate has dropped off in the last week so I should rerun those calcs... Anyway, the basic idea is with a rapidly growing search rate, what's happening now doesn't have much weight compared to what is happening near the end. Roughly, it "all" just gets done really fast near the end, and so with non-cooperating keyservers only 33% of, say, the last two weeks is wasted by not cooperating, not 33% of the total time. So when you look at the *total* time, cooperating does not seem to help much, for our rate from last week, cooperating only saved 2-3 days (3%) if the growth was exponential. If we had linear growth the savings from cooperation was more, about 12 days (11%). Of course if the key search rate saturates and does not grow, we are back at the 33% savings situation and we might want to consider cooperating to save (on average) a month or two... Also, if one keyserver has a higher rate than the other then the cooperating savings is less. I hope we have a great weekend and get some distance ahead of Solnet!!! From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 09:50:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19447 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 09:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19442 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 09:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net(204.141.163.53) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019440; Sat, 3 May 97 09:50:36 -0400 Received: from cppp12.blast.net (cppp12.blast.net [207.111.97.112]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25948 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 09:57:36 -0400 (EDT) From: dmg@blast.net (David Geerinck) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Keeping live connection Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:57:40 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania - Organizational Dynamics Reply-To: dmg@blast.net Message-ID: <336c43c2.6601921@204.141.163.53> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In answer to a recent question about how to keep an internet connection alive during some of the longer DESCHAL calcs when using Windows, I have found some excellent "keep alive" utilities at the following shareware site: try http://www.windows95.com/apps/keepalive.html Hope this helps! David From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 10:43:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19546 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19541 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com(205.252.116.101) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019539; Sat, 3 May 97 10:43:24 -0400 Received: from smtp.erols.com (man-as4s21.erols.com [207.172.31.21]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27448 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:52:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199705031452.KAA27448@smtp1.erols.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.5) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:51:04 EST From: Steve Marvin Reply-To: "Steve Marvin" Subject: OS/2 Client - Quit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Running the OS/2 client here at about 940K keys/sec with no problems, but one complaint: When I need to stop the client (I need to boot another OS at times) a CTRL-C stops it immediately as does killing the process. Would be nice to have a "deferred method" of stopping, so that it would complete the keyblock it is working on log the results and then stop. Hate to lose p/o a 2^30 block of keys. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 11:36:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19695 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 11:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19690 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019688; Sat, 3 May 97 11:35:59 -0400 Received: from swsip1-25.ionet.net (swsip1-25.ionet.net [207.204.108.35]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02912; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031544.KAA02912@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" , "Steve Marvin" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 10:40:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 Client - Quit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 10:51:04 EST, Steve Marvin wrote: >Running the OS/2 client here at about 940K keys/sec with no >problems, but one complaint: > > When I need to stop the client (I need to boot another > OS at times) a CTRL-C stops it immediately as does > killing the process. > > Would be nice to have a "deferred method" of stopping, > so that it would complete the keyblock it is working on > log the results and then stop. Hate to lose p/o a 2^30 > block of keys. > It would be nice - but I think they've got bigger fish to fry. I just check on it. I know about how long it takes to finish each line of dots, and I come back when it should be near the end (sometimes I have to wait all of 20-30 seconds) and break out of it. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 12:11:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19756 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19751 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xanadu.io.com(199.170.88.6) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019749; Sat, 3 May 97 12:10:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (timur@localhost) by xanadu.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03515 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 11:19:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: xanadu.io.com: timur owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 11:19:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Timur Tabi To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Something is wrong with the OS/2 client timing's. The heavier the CPU load on my machine, the faster the client runs. Look at this: Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with 6445D5C880010101 ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 2489 seconds Processor 1 -- Key not found Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with 6162E52901010101 ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 1223 seconds Processor 1 -- Key not found On a completely idle system, the elapsed time is just over 2600 seconds for 2^29 pairs. As the load increases (that is, I start other programs and less CPU is available to deschall.exe), the elapsed time decreases. In fact, now it's testing 2^30 pairs, because it thinks it's much faster now! This might explaing why I only get 475k pairs/sec. -- Timur Tabi, timur@io.com, http://www.io.com/~timur/index.html THE OS/2 Programming Page: http://www.edm2.com/common/links.html ... In Windows 95, no one can hear you scream From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 12:15:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19784 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19779 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu(129.186.1.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019777; Sat, 3 May 97 12:15:26 -0400 Received: from sunflower.iastate.edu (mica.geol.iastate.edu [129.186.121.6]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20304; Sat, 3 May 1997 11:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970503112555.007a1d00@pop-2.iastate.edu> X-Sender: satan@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 11:25:58 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Mikael Brown Subject: For the FAQ (Keeping live connection) Cc: rcv@dopey.verser.frii.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Thanx to info from David, I would like to ammend section 2 of the FAQ (http://www.frii.com/~rcv/desfaq.htm) ------- 2.4 How can I keep my dialup connection or periodicaly renew my dialup connection to get new keys? For Win95 machines your best bet would be to check this URL: http://www.windows95.com/apps/dialup.html At this site you should find plenty of apps that can suit your needs. For OS/2 boxed For MacOS machines your best bet would be to check this URL: For Unix boxen, chances are if your smart enough to set up a *nix machine, your smart enough to write a script for what you want :-) Many people solve this problem by setting up automated timer programs such that their computer dials up every thirty minutes, connects for 5 minutes, then hangs up. The hope is, in this five minute time your computer will report "Key not found" and get a new key. ----------- >In answer to a recent question about how to keep an internet >connection alive during some of the longer DESCHAL calcs when using >Windows, I have found some excellent "keep alive" utilities at the >following shareware site: try >http://www.windows95.com/apps/keepalive.html > >Hope this helps! > >David > Prove DES is weak, crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm --------------------- Mikael Brown "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless apon the air..." satan@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~satan From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 12:33:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19863 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19858 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019856; Sat, 3 May 97 12:33:43 -0400 Received: from swsip1-25.ionet.net (swsip1-25.ionet.net [207.204.108.35]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14830 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 11:42:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031642.LAA14830@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 11:38:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 11:19:13 -0500 (CDT), Timur Tabi wrote: >Something is wrong with the OS/2 client timing's. The heavier the >CPU load on my machine, the faster the client runs. Look at >this: > >Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with >6445D5C880010101 >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ >Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 2489 seconds >Processor 1 -- Key not found >Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with >6162E52901010101 >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ >Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 1223 seconds >Processor 1 -- Key not found > >On a completely idle system, the elapsed time is just over 2600 >seconds for 2^29 pairs. As the load increases (that is, I start other >programs and less CPU is available to deschall.exe), the elapsed >time decreases. In fact, now it's testing 2^30 pairs, because it >thinks it's much faster now! Wierd. It certainly doesn't behave like that on my system. When I'm using it my system, deschall's definately slower. I'd think you'd be checking blocks of 2^30 if you're getting 950k keys/s. If you're worried about it, kick its priority up with any of the utilities that can do that. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:02:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19963 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19958 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019956; Sat, 3 May 97 13:02:40 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA07575; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:10:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 13:10:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199705031710.NAA07575@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> From: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Zoom! Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Wow, we just got a lot faster. Take a look at the states recently: today's cummulative total estimated time to date #keys checked #keys checked 50% completion -------- ----------------- ----------------- ----------------- 04/26/97 107835253850112 1426406676365312 0.9 years 04/27/97 107084792201216 1533491468566528 0.9 years > 2% done! 04/28/97 96136509521920 1629627978088448 1.0 years 04/29/97 97237833089024 1726865811177472 1.0 years 04/30/97 107409238392832 1834275049570304 0.9 years 05/01/97 125570197225472 1959845246795776 0.8 years 05/02/97 145216250052608 2105061496848384 0.7 years goal 72057594037927936 ( 2.921% done) I'm proud to say that mit.edu has been a big contributer, just recently having taken third place in the standings: Keys Clients domain ==================================== 16188048*2^20 393 uiuc.edu. 6956928*2^20 372 orst.edu. 5586248*2^20 191 mit.edu. 5421272*2^20 203 mtu.edu. 5119224*2^20 187 cmu.edu. I'd like to say this was some coordinated effort at MIT but I still can't figure out how it happened. Four days ago mit.edu was only 30 hosts. Several MIT people have contacted me in response to my query; the best guess is that some mail sent out to all the CS undergrads caused a lot of people to independently start running deschall on their dorm computers. In that same 4 day period deschall as a whole went from 4000 hosts to 7000. This is exciting! I'm thinking of doing some sort of nifty-keen Java visualization to show off the coolness of what we're doing. Are the logfiles public information or can I only work with the data on the web pages? From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:04:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19996 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19991 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graphics.lcs.mit.edu(18.24.2.30) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019989; Sat, 3 May 97 13:04:37 -0400 Received: from blur.lcs.mit.edu by graphics.lcs.mit.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20496; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:09:38 -0400 Message-Id: <336B7218.A9E09426@graphics.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:12:56 -0400 From: "Nathan D. T. Boyd" Organization: MIT Computer Graphics Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Let's Recruit Deep Blue X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk After Deep Blue finishes its match against Gary Kasparov next week, I say we recruit it to run deschal! If we had the IBM engineers optimize the client, I'll bet that could make an impact all by itself ;> -- Nate Boyd MIT Computer Graphics Group, NE43-249 mailto:boydn@graphics.lcs.mit.edu 617.258.5090 [tel] http://lumina.lcs.mit.edu/People/boydn/www 617.253.6652 [fax] From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:13:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20018 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20013 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020011; Sat, 3 May 97 13:13:37 -0400 Received: from ozone (rmtA043.ntr.net [206.112.4.43]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id NAA25013; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: Dave Ahn cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Irix64/R10000 optimizations In-Reply-To: <199705030423.AAA08367@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Dave Ahn wrote: > Greetings. I'm new to the list. Hi! Welcome to the list. > The performance of deschall on my lot of SGI R10000 based machines seems > to be pretty pathetic...I'm getting only 400K keys/sec per processor. > Looking over the mailing list archive, there are reports of Pentium's > that are doing a lot better than this. Are there any plans to optimize > the code for these machines? Or 64 bit Sparcs? Or HP-PA's? Guess what? We have someone slready working on that. The problem is, all UNIX clients right now are currently pure C code and we're depending on -O2 or -O3 on the compiler to optimize the best it can. Unfortunately it's not good enough. The solution? We've got a 64k bitslicing code that runs MUCH more efficiently on RISC architectures. According to the following stats we're looking at about twice the speed! --- SGI Onyx (194MHz R10000), IRIX 6.2 My bitslice code: 1430k keys/sec DESCHALL irix6.2-mips client: 823k keys/sec DV Group's irix62-cord client: 555k keys/sec SolNet alpha-osf client: 589k keys/sec Matthew Kwan's bitslice code: 753k keys/sec --- As you can see, we're peaking here. The only thing left is machine code. (You don't happen to know MIPS really well do ya? 8-)) Anyway, I've heard that this should be released publicly soon and I can't wait to see how much improvement I get on my R5000/SC O2. CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:28:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20091 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20086 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020084; Sat, 3 May 97 13:28:33 -0400 Received: from ozone (rmtA043.ntr.net [206.112.4.43]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id NAA06405; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 13:29:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: "Nathan D. T. Boyd" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Let's Recruit Deep Blue In-Reply-To: <336B7218.A9E09426@graphics.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Nathan D. T. Boyd wrote: > After Deep Blue finishes its match against Gary Kasparov next week, I > say we recruit it to run deschal! If we had the IBM engineers optimize > the client, I'll bet that could make an impact all by itself ;> I'd say we'd probably be looking at cutting our remaining time in half if we got it. 8-) CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:42:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20120 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20115 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net(165.87.201.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020113; Sat, 3 May 97 13:42:02 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out2.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA149190 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:50:20 GMT Message-Id: <199705031750.RAA149190@out2.ibm.net> Received: from slip166-72-89-125.nc.us.ibm.net(166.72.89.125) by out2.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaOK8DFW; Sat May 3 17:50:16 1997 From: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Sat, 03 May 97 13:50:08 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In , on 05/03/97 at 11:19 AM, Timur Tabi said: >Something is wrong with the OS/2 client timing's. The heavier the CPU load >on my machine, the faster the client runs. Look at >this: >Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with >6445D5C880010101 >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ Processor 1 >-- Elapsed time: 2489 seconds >Processor 1 -- Key not found >Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with >6162E52901010101 >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ >................................................................ Processor 1 >-- Elapsed time: 1223 seconds >Processor 1 -- Key not found >On a completely idle system, the elapsed time is just over 2600 seconds for >2^29 pairs. As the load increases (that is, I start other programs and less >CPU is available to deschall.exe), the elapsed time decreases. In fact, now >it's testing 2^30 pairs, because it thinks it's much faster now! The reverse is true on my system. >This might explaing why I only get 475k pairs/sec. This number doesn't look right for a P6 200Mhz system. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! 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T. Boyd" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: gadad@nwu.edu (Vijay Gadad) Subject: Re: Let's Recruit Deep Blue Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 12:12 PM 5/3/97, Nathan D. T. Boyd wrote: >After Deep Blue finishes its match against Gary Kasparov next week, I >say we recruit it to run deschal! If we had the IBM engineers optimize >the client, I'll bet that could make an impact all by itself ;> Thirty-two nodes of just about anything would be nice. Unfortunately, I can't see those chess processors being of any use. :) Has anyone given thought to contacting some commercial rendering farms? Most are probably busy, but there have to be a few hours here and there. And anyone who's cool enough to have set up a rendering farm would probably be attracted to DESChall.... Vijay Gadad gadad@nwu.edu From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:46:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20167 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20159 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.jfku.edu(204.161.52.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020155; Sat, 3 May 97 13:46:00 -0400 Received: by jfku.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10605; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:54:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:54:16 -0700 From: runge@jfku.edu (Karl J. runge) Message-Id: <9705031754.AA10605@jfku.edu> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: Mail from 'nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar)' dated: Sat, 3 May 1997 13:10:46 -0400 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote: ... > This is exciting! I'm thinking of doing some sort of nifty-keen Java > visualization to show off the coolness of what we're doing. Are the > logfiles public information or can I only work with the data on the > web pages? Hi, I'm the one who has volunteered to rework the log parsing and have signed a NDA with Rocke to get the raw log files (which contain IP's of the anonymous users). I wanted to be further along, but have had an AWFUL past week (ISP probs and help fix a hosed Sparc at my wife's work...). But I'd like to try to crank on it this weekend. I have contacted Rocke about getting some more info and latest logs. If we design this thing well (hey, it could happen!) my perl scripts will put out some basic HTML ala a trimmed down Solnet, BUT also provide some flat files of data one's Java, etc, cool programs to enhance the visualization. I have kept everyone's suggestions for stats from last week and am starting to look them over. Anybody who as some suggestions please send them in. Wish me luck! Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl J. Runge -- Linux: it's the Real thing -- runge@crl.com -- http://www.crl.com/~runge Cleanliness is next to emptiness. (510)-516-7127 From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:50:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20185 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20180 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020178; Sat, 3 May 97 13:50:12 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00616 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:58:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031758.MAA00616@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 12:55:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Irix64/R10000 optimizations Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT), Christopher Dickens wrote: >On Sat, 3 May 1997, Dave Ahn wrote: > >Guess what? We have someone slready working on that. The problem is, all >UNIX clients right now are currently pure C code and we're depending on >-O2 or -O3 on the compiler to optimize the best it can. Unfortunately >it's not good enough. The solution? We've got a 64k bitslicing code that >runs MUCH more efficiently on RISC architectures. According to the >following stats we're looking at about twice the speed! > >--- > SGI Onyx (194MHz R10000), IRIX 6.2 > My bitslice code: 1430k keys/sec > DESCHALL irix6.2-mips client: 823k keys/sec > DV Group's irix62-cord client: 555k keys/sec > SolNet alpha-osf client: 589k keys/sec > Matthew Kwan's bitslice code: 753k keys/sec >--- > >As you can see, we're peaking here. The only thing left is machine code. >(You don't happen to know MIPS really well do ya? 8-)) > >Anyway, I've heard that this should be released publicly soon and I can't >wait to see how much improvement I get on my R5000/SC O2. Question - I trust that Rocke thoroughly tested his code (otherwise we could all be wasting our time). Since the bitslice stuff is a totally different routine, it requires full testing as well. I assume Rocke is handling that and all the clients will be 100% reliable... Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:52:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20201 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20196 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020194; Sat, 3 May 97 13:51:57 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00948 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:00:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031800.NAA00948@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 12:48:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zoom! Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk So did Solnet. They're gaining fast. Yesterday we did .201% of the keyspace. I think they did more. In the last 24 hours (yes, including part of today), they've completed about .25% of the keyspace. They're at least on pace with us. I don't think that they're outpacing us yet - but it's close. They're at 2.4% and we should be over 3% now. We need to keep recruiting. Everyone, make announcements anywhere you think its appropriate to do so. Has anyone made any announcement in say, c.o.linux.announce? I made one in c.o.os2.announce. What about other supported platforms? What about c.o.mac.announce? Come on, get out there and publicize where you can. On Sat, 3 May 1997 13:10:46 -0400, Nelson Minar wrote: >Wow, we just got a lot faster. Take a look at the states recently: > > today's cummulative total estimated time to > date #keys checked #keys checked 50% completion >-------- ----------------- ----------------- ----------------- >04/26/97 107835253850112 1426406676365312 0.9 years >04/27/97 107084792201216 1533491468566528 0.9 years > 2% done! >04/28/97 96136509521920 1629627978088448 1.0 years >04/29/97 97237833089024 1726865811177472 1.0 years >04/30/97 107409238392832 1834275049570304 0.9 years >05/01/97 125570197225472 1959845246795776 0.8 years >05/02/97 145216250052608 2105061496848384 0.7 years > goal 72057594037927936 ( 2.921% done) > >I'm proud to say that mit.edu has been a big contributer, just >recently having taken third place in the standings: > > Keys Clients domain >==================================== >16188048*2^20 393 uiuc.edu. > 6956928*2^20 372 orst.edu. > 5586248*2^20 191 mit.edu. > 5421272*2^20 203 mtu.edu. > 5119224*2^20 187 cmu.edu. > >I'd like to say this was some coordinated effort at MIT but I still >can't figure out how it happened. Four days ago mit.edu was only 30 >hosts. Several MIT people have contacted me in response to my query; >the best guess is that some mail sent out to all the CS undergrads >caused a lot of people to independently start running deschall on >their dorm computers. > >In that same 4 day period deschall as a whole went from 4000 hosts to 7000. > >This is exciting! I'm thinking of doing some sort of nifty-keen Java >visualization to show off the coolness of what we're doing. Are the >logfiles public information or can I only work with the data on the >web pages? > Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 13:59:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20219 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20214 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net(165.87.201.252) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020212; Sat, 3 May 97 13:59:28 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out2.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA149158 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:07:44 GMT Received: from slip129-37-254-169.il.us.ibm.net(129.37.254.169) by out2.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smazY0DM2; Sat May 3 18:07:31 1997 Message-ID: <336B7EDF.21A4@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:07:27 -0500 From: Chris Krumme Organization: YMP Consulting, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Timur Tabi wrote: > > Something is wrong with the OS/2 client timing's. The heavier the > CPU load on my machine, the faster the client runs. Look at > this: > > Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 2489 seconds > Processor 1 -- Key not found > Processor 1 -- 2^29 complementary pairs of keys starting with > Processor 1 -- Elapsed time: 1223 seconds > Processor 1 -- Key not found > > On a completely idle system, the elapsed time is just over 2600 > seconds for 2^29 pairs. As the load increases (that is, I start other > programs and less CPU is available to deschall.exe), the elapsed > time decreases. In fact, now it's testing 2^30 pairs, because it > thinks it's much faster now! > I see similar results: idle 2^30 keys ~2700 emacs/netscape 2^30 keys ~2200 PPro 200MHz. Warp Connect 3.0 FP17 32M I can't image who is using the processor... From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:08:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20260 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20255 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020253; Sat, 3 May 97 14:08:03 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03985 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:16:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031816.NAA03985@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 13:12:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 03 May 97 13:50:08 -0400, Milton Forte II wrote: >>This might explaing why I only get 475k pairs/sec. > >This number doesn't look right for a P6 200Mhz system. That's 950k keys/s and it looks right to me. My brother only gets about 830k keys/s on his PPro 180. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:09:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20275 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20270 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020268; Sat, 3 May 97 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04296 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031818.NAA04296@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 13:14:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Let's Recruit Deep Blue Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 12:50:58 -0500, Vijay Gadad wrote: >At 12:12 PM 5/3/97, Nathan D. T. Boyd wrote: >>After Deep Blue finishes its match against Gary Kasparov next week, I >>say we recruit it to run deschal! If we had the IBM engineers optimize >>the client, I'll bet that could make an impact all by itself ;> > >Thirty-two nodes of just about anything would be nice. Unfortunately, I >can't see those chess processors being of any use. :) > >Has anyone given thought to contacting some commercial rendering farms? >Most are probably busy, but there have to be a few hours here and there. >And anyone who's cool enough to have set up a rendering farm would probably >be attracted to DESChall.... Good idea! I nominate you for the task. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:13:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20294 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20289 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020287; Sat, 3 May 97 14:13:09 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04972 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031821.NAA04972@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 13:18:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Quickstart guide. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I think it would be a good idea to add a bit about logging output to the quickstart guide. I mean, many people might not think of the options for redirection. Heck, I still haven't figured out how to make it go to both the file and the screen on a Win95 machine. It would suck to join in, crack the code, and not have a record of it. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:20:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20324 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20319 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esoteric.ilinks.net(206.137.194.18) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020314; Sat, 3 May 97 14:19:52 -0400 Received: (from james@localhost) by esoteric.ilinks.net (8.8.5/6.6.6) id OAA18478; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:27:55 -0400 From: James Willard Message-Id: <199705031827.OAA18478@esoteric.ilinks.net> Subject: Re: Let's Recruit Deep Blue To: cdickens@ntr.net (Christopher Dickens) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Christopher Dickens" at May 3, 97 01:29:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/X-pgp-message Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Sat, 3 May 1997, Nathan D. T. Boyd wrote: > > > After Deep Blue finishes its match against Gary Kasparov next week, I > > say we recruit it to run deschal! If we had the IBM engineers optimize > > the client, I'll bet that could make an impact all by itself ;> > > I'd say we'd probably be looking at cutting our remaining time in half if > we got it. 8-) > I think it would be nice to get that 9260 PPro 200 machine that intel made recently cracking on it :). You could run 9260 copies of deschall (one per processor). If anyone wants to read about it, there is an intel press release at www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/cn1217fs.htm It runs at 1.8 teraflops, has 9,260, 200MHz PPro 200 processors, 573 gigs of ram and 2.25 terabytes of disk space. I'd say that would make a nice little deschall machine :). Esoteric - James D. Willard Linux/FreeBSD/Novell/Win/DOS/Minix User james@esoteric.ilinks.net "He who laughs last, finger james@esoteric.ilinks.net for PGP Public Key thinks the slowest" Crack DES Now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm .,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-,.,-=-, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM2uDnUbXLxgz/DWlAQF5WQf+IPd5vUPCYejTvKT+A7KaN2dTe2C5VESK Iw0mzJmTldkZQldDV1lGdsNrmC2Rh1sNtt4xGSyqhMeDu15YMPl67CGq1fPlwLWN y+xodWQlOZcmfAEX60GF6bf+N9IxonM0AHGcpZVh6RlBnppp9ool+rAJCPH4qthL ymGhOPi89pml7ukw4UJruK4aw2FsDDIdaxCuzXtveXIdZsLJNA5nh3XnLwruXRqk C/7GLBFS+EhIaH+oXdjjLN451cQIG16jcZ8JNN2pz02wJ9aKwssCOTAhfyzxJUEG kPtSHBfbmpcrFV+pR1yTZkbVMIb2BAHA34s4uaCRWf/7otkhmRk9NA== =b6Hq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:38:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20388 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20378 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020374; Sat, 3 May 97 14:37:54 -0400 Received: from rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.135.9]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA20745 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:46:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA27899 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:46:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <199705031800.NAA00948@mail.ionet.net> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: > - but it's close. They're at 2.4% and we should be over 3% now. We > need to keep recruiting. This point can't be emphazised enough. Even ignoring SolNet, we need more cycles. We've broken the 1-year to 50% barrier, but that's still a loooong time. > Everyone, make announcements anywhere you think its appropriate to do > so. Has anyone made any announcement in say, c.o.linux.announce? I > made one in c.o.os2.announce. I had originally submitted a post to cola. However, the moderators rejected it because they had just posted something about an RC5 crack, and felt it was too similar. Apparently, they just posted another RC5 message due to the first effort stopping. All I can guess is the the moderators are biased towards the RC5 groups. I don't see how they can justify posting twice about RC5, but refusing to postabout DESCHALL because it's too similar. I never received a response to the mail I sent them explaining the difference. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 1 + 1 = 3, for large enough values of 1. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:38:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20389 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20379 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu(129.186.1.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020375; Sat, 3 May 97 14:37:59 -0400 Received: from sunflower.iastate.edu (mica.geol.iastate.edu [129.186.121.6]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29828; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:46:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970503134833.0079a7a0@pop-2.iastate.edu> X-Sender: satan@pop-2.iastate.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:48:35 -0500 To: Chris Krumme From: Mikael Brown Subject: Re-evaluation of what is happing at rest Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >I see similar results: > idle 2^30 keys ~2700 > emacs/netscape 2^30 keys ~2200 One of the assuptions we are making is that when we are not sitting at our machines, they are idle. We should taka a closer look at that. I get great speeds when I am useing Telnet...but go much slower over night...why? Well (1) At night, my computer recompresses hard drives, cleans directories, checks disk integrety, scans for virii, etc. (2) When I'm useing Telnet my computer registers activity, so it doesn't power down, slow the CPU, or start any screen savers...It keeps everything going full power - but the telnet program uses near zippo CPU.....leaving it all to crunch keys. I think that if you question why the client crunches less keys when "idle" that you re-evaluate how idle your "idle period" is. *smile* I found out I crunch a lot more keys if don't run any fancy 3D DirectX screen savers ;-) Prove DES is weak, crack DES! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm --------------------- Mikael Brown "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless apon the air..." satan@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~satan From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:48:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20443 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20438 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020436; Sat, 3 May 97 14:48:35 -0400 Received: from rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.135.9]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA20906 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:56:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA28433 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:56:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Re-evaluation of what is happing at rest In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970503134833.0079a7a0@pop-2.iastate.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Mikael Brown wrote: > >I see similar results: > > idle 2^30 keys ~2700 > > emacs/netscape 2^30 keys ~2200 I just poked through the code. Unless time() is lying, the numbers should be correct. We just call time() right before and right after testing the key block, and subtract the two. Has anyone actually timed the clients with an external clock (eg, stopwatch), to see if it's truely speeding up? > (2) When I'm useing Telnet my computer registers activity, so it doesn't > power down, slow the CPU, or start any screen savers...It keeps everything > going full power - but the telnet program uses near zippo CPU.....leaving > it all to crunch keys. That would be my best guess. For those experiencing these weird speedups, try turning *off* the "Green Features" in your system setup. I wouldn't be surprised if they notice that the keyboard and mouse are idle, and slow down the CPU. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 1 + 1 = 3, for large enough values of 1. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 14:50:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20469 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20458 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020454; Sat, 3 May 97 14:50:22 -0400 Received: (from insect@localhost) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) id PAA18985; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:01:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: andrew meggs To: "Nathan D. T. Boyd" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Let's Recruit Deep Blue In-Reply-To: <336B7218.A9E09426@graphics.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Nathan D. T. Boyd wrote: > After Deep Blue finishes its match against Gary Kasparov next week, I > say we recruit it to run deschal! If we had the IBM engineers optimize > the client, I'll bet that could make an impact all by itself ;> > I'm pretty sure it's using PowerPC, or at least POWER, processors, so I've already got that part well underway with the PowerMac tuneup. I _will_ be using their highly-optimizing xlc compiler for the builds, though. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 15:29:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20544 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20539 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020537; Sat, 3 May 97 15:28:54 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13079-7632>; Sat, 3 May 1997 13:37:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Zoom! From: Howard Cheng To: dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu (Justin Dolske) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 13:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Justin Dolske" at May 3, 97 02:46:09 pm Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97May3.133702-0600_mdt.13079-7632+81@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Justin Dolske wrote: > > I had originally submitted a post to cola. However, the moderators > rejected it because they had just posted something about an RC5 crack, and > felt it was too similar. Apparently, they just posted another RC5 message > due to the first effort stopping. All I can guess is the the moderators > are biased towards the RC5 groups. I don't see how they can justify > posting twice about RC5, but refusing to postabout DESCHALL because it's > too similar. > What about posting to a newsgroup like sci.crypt? I have seen some SolNET postings there, but I haven't seen a DESCHALL one yet. Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ A topologist is one who doesn't know the difference between a doughnut and a coffee cup. - John Kelley From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 15:30:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20566 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20556 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020551; Sat, 3 May 97 15:30:27 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21587 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705031938.OAA21587@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 14:35:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zoom! Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT), Justin Dolske wrote: >On Sat, 3 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: > >> - but it's close. They're at 2.4% and we should be over 3% now. We >> need to keep recruiting. > >This point can't be emphazised enough. Even ignoring SolNet, we need more >cycles. We've broken the 1-year to 50% barrier, but that's still a loooong >time. > >> Everyone, make announcements anywhere you think its appropriate to do >> so. Has anyone made any announcement in say, c.o.linux.announce? I >> made one in c.o.os2.announce. > >I had originally submitted a post to cola. However, the moderators >rejected it because they had just posted something about an RC5 crack, and >felt it was too similar. Apparently, they just posted another RC5 message >due to the first effort stopping. All I can guess is the the moderators >are biased towards the RC5 groups. I don't see how they can justify >posting twice about RC5, but refusing to postabout DESCHALL because it's >too similar. > >I never received a response to the mail I sent them explaining the >difference. Well, if 10 people submit postings, I bet they'll post something. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 15:44:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20607 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20602 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from isoc.net(207.123.68.4) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020600; Sat, 3 May 97 15:44:34 -0400 Received: from hh1100228.direcpc.com (hh1100228.direcpc.com [206.71.100.228]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id la024399 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:54:14 -0400 To: Mikael Brown Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: For the FAQ (Keeping live connection) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:52:06 GMT Message-ID: <336b9722.34252686@mail.isoc.net> References: <3.0.32.19970503112555.007a1d00@pop-2.iastate.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970503112555.007a1d00@pop-2.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 03 May 1997 11:25:58 -0500, you wrote: > Many people solve this problem by setting up automated timer programs >such that their computer dials up every thirty minutes, connects for 5 >minutes, then hangs up. The hope is, in this five minute time your >computer will report "Key not found" and get a new key. Wow, you sound pretty pessimistic... what if they find the key?? :) Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 16:04:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20658 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20653 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020651; Sat, 3 May 97 16:04:24 -0400 Received: from swsip1-20.ionet.net (swsip1-20.ionet.net [207.204.108.30]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28167 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:12:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705032012.PAA28167@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 15:09:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Zoom! Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 13:36:52 -0600 (MDT), Howard Cheng wrote: >Justin Dolske wrote: >> >> I had originally submitted a post to cola. However, the moderators >> rejected it because they had just posted something about an RC5 crack, and >> felt it was too similar. Apparently, they just posted another RC5 message >> due to the first effort stopping. All I can guess is the the moderators >> are biased towards the RC5 groups. I don't see how they can justify >> posting twice about RC5, but refusing to postabout DESCHALL because it's >> too similar. >> > >What about posting to a newsgroup like sci.crypt? I have seen some SolNET >postings there, but I haven't seen a DESCHALL one yet. Well, let's join in the discussion. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 17:02:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20809 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20804 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020801; Sat, 3 May 97 17:01:56 -0400 Received: from rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.135.9]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA23471; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:10:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA03766; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 17:10:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: "Colin L. Hildinger" cc: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: Re: Quickstart guide. In-Reply-To: <199705031821.NAA04972@mail.ionet.net> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: > I think it would be a good idea to add a bit about logging output to > the quickstart guide. Actually, it would be a better addition for the FAQ. Incidently, it might be nice for people who have implemented some "3rd party add-on solutions" for various problems to submit a writeup to Matt for the FAQ. For example, it would be nice to have a section on dial-on-demand, logging the output, keeping the dialup session alive, etc. The first person to finish each of these sections will win a *free* block of 2^30 keys to test! ;-) Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visualize Whirled Peas. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 17:35:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20929 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20924 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s5-171-9.student.washington.edu(128.95.171.9) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020922; Sat, 3 May 97 17:35:11 -0400 Received: (from xyzzy@localhost) by s5-171-9.student.washington.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA04295; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:43:41 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent Piepho To: Timur Tabi cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Timur Tabi wrote: > Something is wrong with the OS/2 client timing's. The heavier the > CPU load on my machine, the faster the client runs. Look at > this: > > On a completely idle system, the elapsed time is just over 2600 > seconds for 2^29 pairs. As the load increases (that is, I start other > programs and less CPU is available to deschall.exe), the elapsed > time decreases. In fact, now it's testing 2^30 pairs, because it > thinks it's much faster now! Does it go faster as measured by a stopwatch or is it just the client's timer that is wrong? |Gazing up to the breeze of the heavens \ on a quest, meaning, reason | |came to be, how it begun \ all alone in the family of the sun | |curiosity teasing everyone \ on our home, third stone from the sun. | |Trent Piepho (xyzzy@u.washington.edu) -- Metallica | From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 17:54:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20984 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20979 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s5-171-9.student.washington.edu(128.95.171.9) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020977; Sat, 3 May 97 17:54:35 -0400 Received: (from xyzzy@localhost) by s5-171-9.student.washington.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04320; Sat, 3 May 1997 15:02:58 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent Piepho To: DESCHALL Subject: Re: options for des client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer) wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 1997, Andrew James Alan Welty wrote: > > > >> The client prints out: Processor 1 -- blah blah > >> This sounds like it should be possible to get a processor 2 line. It > >there > >> some option to have the client fork and split the block in two? Or am > >> I supposed to run two clients? (I have a dual P133) > > > >Just run however many clients as there are processors. > > > Does your client have the #multiprocessors option? > deschall server #2 > (I think that's the right format.) Did that, didn't work. Where is this #multiprocessor option? I see no mention of it in the faq or the web pages. |Gazing up to the breeze of the heavens \ on a quest, meaning, reason | |came to be, how it begun \ all alone in the family of the sun | |curiosity teasing everyone \ on our home, third stone from the sun. | |Trent Piepho (xyzzy@u.washington.edu) -- Metallica | From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 18:01:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21018 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21013 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021011; Sat, 3 May 97 18:01:44 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id SAA18501; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018497; Sat, 3 May 97 18:11:33 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06621; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705032208.SAA06621@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Corbett J. Klempay" Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Optimized key rates? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Corbett" == Corbett J Klempay writes: Corbett> (I would hope so...I saw on Rocke's page that an Ultra2 Corbett> barely edges out a single Pro 200), but I'm just curious as Corbett> to what kind of improvement we can expect. I can't give a specific answer. However, I will point out that in addition to the performance gain from a simple implementation of the code in assembler, and a processor-specific hand-optimization, to leverage the features against its weaknesses, etc., the 64-bit processors have an additional advantage. I'm not doing the code, so I can't tell you for sure, but everyone working on it is aware of the Biham-type optimizations for 64-bit processors, which should provide still more performance. They should kick butt. -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 18:14:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21041 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21036 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021034; Sat, 3 May 97 18:14:37 -0400 Received: (from insect@localhost) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) id SAA19113; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:26:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: andrew meggs To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: suggestion for the web page Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On the client download form that people fill out, perhaps we should add an optional box to enter your email address so people can easily be subscribed to deschall-announce when they get the client. Several of the non-intel clients seem due for performance updates soon, and it would be helpful if we had a way to notify as many people as possible -- every person we can get to upgrade to a client that's twice as fast is just as good as another person added to the list. Speaking of which, it might be good to hold off on any heavy MacOS promotion for a couple of days until the new MacOS client is done, because someone who downloads it after mid-week will contribute a lot more keys than someone who downloads it right now and doesn't upgrade. From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 18:26:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21098 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21093 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux9.cso.uiuc.edu(128.174.5.39) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021091; Sat, 3 May 97 18:26:04 -0400 Received: from mancala (tri0023.urh.uiuc.edu [128.174.11.33]) by ux9.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22686 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:34:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970503173006.0092d3d0@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: cushing@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 17:30:06 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: #1 Zeppelin Fan Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk when I play deschal6 on Windows NT 4.0 Workstation, it will not run consecutively, only once and then it dies... can you make it loop? I have a Pro200 with a T1 conection if this helps... From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 18:29:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21152 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21147 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021125; Sat, 3 May 97 18:29:10 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id SAA18790; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018788; Sat, 3 May 97 18:39:28 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06725; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705032235.SAA06725@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: Howard Cheng Cc: dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu (Justin Dolske), deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Zoom! In-Reply-To: <97May3.133702-0600_mdt.13079-7632+81@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> References: <97May3.133702-0600_mdt.13079-7632+81@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Howard" == Howard Cheng writes: Howard> What about posting to a newsgroup like sci.crypt? I have seen Howard> some SolNET postings there, but I haven't seen a DESCHALL one Howard> yet. If you do post to sci.crypt, make it brief and to the point. Those folks already understand what brute force means and why we need everyone's CPU :-) I'll do it, if someone already hasn't... that crowd already knows me, so I'm probably less likely to be accused of spamming the group. -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 18:57:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21274 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21269 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hops.cs.jhu.edu(128.220.13.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021267; Sat, 3 May 97 18:57:21 -0400 Received: from jhu0255 (jhu0255.res.jhu.edu [128.220.38.49]) by hops.cs.jhu.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA28688 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 19:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970503190454.00b4e6a0@hops.cs.jhu.edu> X-Sender: cklempay@hops.cs.jhu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 19:04:54 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Corbett J. Klempay" Subject: Re: Optimized key rates? In-Reply-To: <199705032208.SAA06621@goffette.research.megasoft.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >I can't give a specific answer. However, I will point out that in >addition to the performance gain from a simple implementation of the >code in assembler, and a processor-specific hand-optimization, to >leverage the features against its weaknesses, etc., the 64-bit >processors have an additional advantage. > >I'm not doing the code, so I can't tell you for sure, but everyone >working on it is aware of the Biham-type optimizations for 64-bit >processors, which should provide still more performance. They should >kick butt. > Cool! Can someone provide some quick info on the Biham bit-slicing approach to me, or at least tell me where to go? Will Biham's method only work for 64-bit processors (or will it work on 32-bit, but with greatly reduced efficiency?)? Thanks. Corbett J. Klempay The Johns Hopkins University Webmaster, Johns Hopkins Athletics http://www.jhu.edu/~athletics Contact Info: cklempay@jhu.edu http://www.ugrad.cs.jhu.edu/~cklempay (410) 516-3565 From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 19:41:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21384 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 19:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21377 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 19:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021373; Sat, 3 May 97 19:41:52 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13059-7632>; Sat, 3 May 1997 17:50:08 -0600 Subject: DES Violation Group WWW Page From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 17:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97May3.175008-0600_mdt.13059-7632+99@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I noticed that the DES Violation Group home page says that they are shutting down because SolNET is so much faster. Unfortunately, there is no mention about DESCHALL anywhere. Maybe someone could ask them to put a link to us as well? It would be nice to get some of the DES Violation Group people to join in. Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca 4th year Honors Comp. Sci. URL : http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ A proof tells us where to concentrate our doubts. - Morris Kline From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 23:28:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21791 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21786 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021784; Sat, 3 May 97 23:28:10 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id XAA21079; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021077; Sat, 3 May 97 23:38:23 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA07161; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705040334.XAA07161@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Corbett J. Klempay" Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Optimized key rates? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970503190454.00b4e6a0@hops.cs.jhu.edu> References: <199705032208.SAA06621@goffette.research.megasoft.com> <3.0.1.32.19970503190454.00b4e6a0@hops.cs.jhu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Corbett" == Corbett J Klempay writes: Corbett> Cool! Can someone provide some quick info on the Biham Corbett> bit-slicing approach to me, or at least tell me where to go? I can't get to his site right now to find you a specific URL, but I can get you the index of Biham's publications page. Finding info on his superfast DES implementation for 64-bit processors shouldn't be tough from here, once the server is up... http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~biham/publications.html Corbett> Will Biham's method only work for 64-bit processors (or will Corbett> it work on 32-bit, but with greatly reduced efficiency?)? Corbett> Thanks. This will only work on 64-bit processors, and be at all useful. The crux of the matter is that DES is a block cipher that works in 64-bit blocks[*]. Hence, each block can be processed by a 64-bit processor as if it is 64 one-bit processors. I suppose one could break the block in half, and double the number of cycles needed to process it. However, I don't know how this compares (speedwise) to other fast approaches for 32-bit processors. It might be a performance hit. * DES, though commonly called a 56-bit cipher, is really a 64-bit cipher. However, the key 64 bit key is typically broken up into 56 secret bits and 8 bits for parity. Permutations of DES are possible, then, that keep all 64 bits private, and a stronger DES is theoretically the result. (I'm not an expert on DES internals, though, so I don't know what the tradeoffs are here, and what problems might be introduced by doing this sort of thing.) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 23:43:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21820 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21815 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gs213.sp.cs.cmu.edu(128.2.209.183) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021813; Sat, 3 May 97 23:42:58 -0400 Received: by GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24784; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:51:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:51:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9705040351.AA24784@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darrell Kindred To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Cc: "Corbett J. Klempay" Subject: Re: Optimized key rates? Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970503190454.00b4e6a0@hops.cs.jhu.edu> References: <199705032208.SAA06621@goffette.research.megasoft.com> <3.0.1.32.19970503190454.00b4e6a0@hops.cs.jhu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Corbett J. Klempay writes: > [...] > >I'm not doing the code, so I can't tell you for sure, but everyone > >working on it is aware of the Biham-type optimizations for 64-bit > >processors, which should provide still more performance. They should > >kick butt. > > > > Cool! Can someone provide some quick info on the Biham bit-slicing > approach to me, or at least tell me where to go? Will Biham's method only > work for 64-bit processors (or will it work on 32-bit, but with greatly > reduced efficiency?)? Thanks. I'm the person working on a bit-sliced DESCHALL client. Given the amount of apparent interest in fast 64-bit clients, I think my time would be better spent right now finishing it up than explaining Biham's method, but I promise I'll post an explanation once the client is out the door. Just a quick answer to your last question: the method does work with 32-bit processors, but roughly half as fast as it does on an "equivalent" 64-bit processor. At the moment it looks like the current DESCHALL clients will do better on 32-bit machines. Back to work! - Darrell From owner-deschall-announce Sat May 3 23:50:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21850 for deschall-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21845 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net(206.13.28.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021843; Sat, 3 May 97 23:50:10 -0400 Received: from DAA (ppp-206-170-65-192.grdn01.pacbell.net [206.170.65.192]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA20948; Sat, 3 May 1997 20:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705040357.UAA20948@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 20:55:25 -0700 From: dave avery <"dave avery"@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> Reply-To: cwax@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikael Brown CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: For the FAQ (Keeping live connection) References: <3.0.32.19970503112555.007a1d00@pop-2.iastate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Mikael Brown wrote: > For OS/2 boxed > If you use the In-Joy dialer instead of the IBM dialer you can do dial-on-demand with the timeout set to 3 min, and the dialer will dial when deschall tries to contact the server and hang-up after 3 min of inactivity. ( works OK here) dave From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 00:09:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21882 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21877 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021875; Sun, 4 May 97 00:09:12 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09530 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:17:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705040417.XAA09530@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 23:04:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DES Violation Group WWW Page Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997 17:50:04 -0600 (MDT), Howard Cheng wrote: > I noticed that the DES Violation Group home page says that they are >shutting down because SolNET is so much faster. Unfortunately, there is >no mention about DESCHALL anywhere. Maybe someone could ask them to put >a link to us as well? It would be nice to get some of the DES Violation >Group people to join in. Did you send them an email? If not, why not go do so (Wow! I used 3 2-letter words ending in 'o' in a row!)? Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 00:16:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21913 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21908 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021906; Sun, 4 May 97 00:15:34 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10985; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705040423.XAA10985@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "cwax@pacbell.net" , "dave avery" <"dave avery"@mail-gw3.pacbell.net>, "Mikael Brown" Cc: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sat, 03 May 97 23:19:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: For the FAQ (Keeping live connection) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 03 May 1997 20:55:25 -0700, dave avery wrote: >Mikael Brown wrote: >> For OS/2 boxed >> > If you use the In-Joy dialer instead of the IBM dialer you >can do dial-on-demand with the timeout set to 3 min, and the dialer will >dial when deschall tries to contact the server and >hang-up after 3 min of inactivity. ( works OK here) Note that this requires buying an advanced version of In-Joy (at least that's what someone told me). It at the very least requires registration of In-Joy. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 00:39:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21948 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21943 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net(206.13.28.53) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021941; Sun, 4 May 97 00:39:27 -0400 Received: from DAA (daa@ppp-206-170-65-19.grdn01.pacbell.net [206.170.65.19]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA16330; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705040447.VAA16330@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 21:46:15 -0700 From: Dave Avery Reply-To: cwax@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Colin L. Hildinger" CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: For the FAQ (Keeping live connection) References: <199705040423.XAA10985@mail.ionet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Colin L. Hildinger wrote: > > On Sat, 03 May 1997 20:55:25 -0700, dave avery wrote: > > >Mikael Brown wrote: > >> For OS/2 boxed > >> > > If you use the In-Joy dialer instead of the IBM dialer you > >can do dial-on-demand with the timeout set to 3 min, and the dialer will > >dial when deschall tries to contact the server and > >hang-up after 3 min of inactivity. ( works OK here) > > Note that this requires buying an advanced version of In-Joy (at least > that's what someone told me). It at the very least requires > registration of In-Joy. > > Colin L. Hildinger > > Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! > http://www.os2ezine.com/ > > The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page > http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html > > The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page > http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html It does require the $35.00 "advanced" version ( actually just a reg key) so for $15.00 more you get a hot dialer. If you are trying to reduce the connect time I personally think $15.00 is a great deal. ( I paid it Just to allow around the clock deschall running on this machine ( P90 ). dave From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 01:11:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22082 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22077 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022075; Sun, 4 May 97 01:10:37 -0400 Received: from ozone (rmtA006.ntr.net [206.112.4.6]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id BAA29193 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 01:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Three machines online! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Woo hoo! I've successfully compiled udprelay on my SGI O2 R5k and have two additional clients: A 486DX/75 notebook (which has a fan on it 8-)), and a Pentium 90. Which I might add the Pentium 90 is running neck to neck with the R5k until the new 64-bitslice code is released. I suppose the purpose of this post is this: If anyone else has had trouble compiling on IRIX, I've managed to fix the problem with the compile and have a binary if you would like it, simply e-mail me. CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 01:41:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22159 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22154 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022152; Sun, 4 May 97 01:41:17 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27394 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:49:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705040549.AAA27394@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sun, 04 May 97 00:46:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A little pizaz Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I just added a little pizaz to my deschall page ( http://www.ionet.net/~colin/DES-Challenge.html ). What do you think? Wanna add it to the main DESChall page? Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 02:02:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22306 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22301 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022298; Sun, 4 May 97 02:01:43 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id CAA22383 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022373; Sun, 4 May 97 02:11:39 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA07464; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 02:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705040608.CAA07464@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Correction: "Optimized key rates?" X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu(129.74.250.114) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022357; Sun, 4 May 97 02:27:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (bpeters2@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA26480 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:35:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: darwin.helios.nd.edu: bpeters2 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 01:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer)" X-Sender: bpeters2@darwin.helios.nd.edu Reply-To: bpeters2@nd.edu To: DESCHALL Subject: Re: options for des client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 May 1997, Trent Piepho wrote: >On Sat, 3 May 1997, Benjamin L. Peterson (Bengineeer) wrote: >> >> deschall server #2 >> (I think that's the right format.) > >Did that, didn't work. Where is this #multiprocessor option? I see no mention >of it in the faq or the web pages. Oops, omit the '#' sign. deschall keymaster.verser.frii.com 8 works for me on a particular SUN. -Ben -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Benjamin Peterson Computer Science Senior, University of Notre Dame */ /* E-mail Benjamin.L.Peterson.35@nd.edu or bpeters2@plato.helios.nd.edu */ /**************************************************************************/ From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 02:46:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22434 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22429 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022427; Sun, 4 May 97 02:46:06 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA06429 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:54:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705040654.BAA06429@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sun, 04 May 97 01:51:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Email your ISP Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I emailed a guy at my ISP and never heard anything back, but I posted to the ionet.general newsgroup and got a reply back that at least one guy had it running on his office system. Hopefully I'll be able to convince them to run it on some of the big boxes they have sitting around. OK, so maybe ionet's cooler than your ISP, but it _can't_ hurt. The posting went as follows: OK, some of you may have heard about RSA's Secret Key Challenge. Basically, it's a contest to break ten secret key encryptions. The one currently being attacked heavily is a 56-bit DES encryption and the prize for breaking it is $10,000. 56-bit DES is a very standard encryption, but RSA wants to prove that normal people with PC's can crack it, hopefully to encourage the standards to go to 80-bit or higher encryption. There's a coordinated effort to crack DES going on the internet, started by Rocke Verser. The individual who actually cracks the code will keep $4000 and the programming team will keep the other $6000 if we crack the code. I'd encourage anyone who spends a significant amount of time on the net, or anyone who might be willing to dial in while they're asleep and the lines aren't busy anyway (say midnight to 7 am or something) to take a few minutes and look at: http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm There are clients for almost any platform imaginable, and they all run at low priority, so they shouldn't interfere with any real work or play. I just run mine whenever I'm on and I never even notice it running, not even when I have 5 copies of Netscape, my email client, my news client, and my FTP client going. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 03:33:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA22502 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 03:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA22497 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 03:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goblin.punk.net(204.212.160.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022495; Sun, 4 May 97 03:33:30 -0400 Received: (from jsimmons@localhost) by goblin.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA01997 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sun, 4 May 1997 00:42:51 -0700 From: Jeff Simmons Message-Id: <199705040742.AAA01997@goblin.punk.net> Subject: [Humor] Wheels To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This was posted to the cypherpunks mailing list quite some time ago. It's pretty relevant to what we're doing right now. Also pretty funny ... THE CYPHERPUNK ENQUIRER PRESENTS: "Adventures in Alternative Journalism" The Analysis Piece Alice stared at the two strange creatures. She was completely dumbfounded. "So let me see if I've got this right. You make really good wheels. But if the Queen of Hearts had wheels, her subjects who occasionally raid your borders would be able to get away faster, and you wouldn't catch as many of them. Is that right, Tweedledumb?" "I'm Tweedledumber. He's Tweedledumb. Yes, that's right. We have a technological lead over the Cards, and we have to maintain it." "So you won't sell them wheels?" "Well, it's more complex than that. A large part of our population is engaged in making wheels, and we make a lot of money selling them to the Cards. So we made a compromise. We only sell them SQUARE wheels." "But of course," Tweedledumb chimed in, "it's very expensive to make both square and round wheels. So most of our people only make square wheels, so they can sell them to both us and the Cards. Of course, our people are allowed to buy round wheels, IF they can find them." "AND," stated Tweedledumber, "since the wheel is patented here, we get to collect a hefty licensing fee for every wheel sold." "But the Cards DO have wheels!" Alice could see over the fence, and the Cards were happily zipping around all over the place. "And so do a lot of people over here. What happened?" "Well, we couldn't stop the Cards from building their OWN wheels ... " "And people like buying the Card wheels because they're faster than our wheels, and they're cheaper, because they don't have to pay us the licensing fee ..." "You see, we have a licensing treaty with the Cards for most things, so if they make something we have a patent on, they have to pay us, but the wheel can't be exported, so it can't EXIST over there, so our patents don't apply ... " "But I don't understand! You said you needed to catch people, but now you can hardly catch anyone!" Alice was totally astounded at what she was hearing. "It's only a stopgap measure anyway." Tweedledumber clasp his hands behind his back and started pacing. "We need to get an agreement with the Queen of Hearts that both of our people will only use, oh, say, pentagonal and maybe hexagonical wheels. That way, everyone can get around faster, but we'll still be able to catch them." "But who's WE?" "Anybody with a TLA on their shirt. WE get round wheels." "What's a TLA?" Alice almost felt relieved when she saw the familiar grin materialize. The rest of the Cheshire Cat soon followed. "A TLA, my dear, is a Three Letter Anachronism. When people start referring to you by your initials, you've overstayed your welcome. If everyone starts calling ME TCC, I'll know it's time to find another job." The caterpillar spoke up from its perch on the toadstool. "Wrong, tuna breath. TLA's are the only thing standing between society and total chaos." Alice turned to face the caterpillar, who responded by blowing a lungful of hookah smoke in her face. "THESE two goons only deal with the dangers of the Queen of Hearts and her soldiers, I have to worry about the domestic situation. So we came up with a solution. There are certain unscrupulous locals who engage in terrible things, terrorism, drug dealing, child molestation, money laundering ... we have to be able to catch them. If they had wheels, they could outrun us. But if we had ACCESS to those wheels when we needed it ... by the way, speaking of drug dealers, we know about that mushroom, and the pills. You might want to think really hard about playing ball with us, the Queen of Hearts is rather fond of cutting off dope addict's heads." "Access to wheels? Does that have anything to do with those ropes hanging off the back of those carts?" "Yup. We pull on that rope, the wheels fall off. And since we may have to stop a LOT of people at one time, we could have a riot, or another Butthole Surfers concert, we figure that we should be able to stop about ten percent of the population at once, a little less in the rural areas ... well, they've gotta be REALLY LONG ROPES ... and there have to be A WHOLE LOT of them ... course, the ones with the ropes we let have octagonal wheels ... " "But can't just anybody pull the rope? You'll have wheels falling off all over the place." "Price you have to pay for a safe society. Besides, we have trusted third parties holding to to the other end." "How will you get people to use it, when they can get regular wheels from the Cards?" "How else? We could pass a law. But it's easier just to threaten all the wheel dealers - put the rope on or we shut you down. Spread the word that only criminals don't use ropes - what are you afraid of? Got something to hide? Eventually we'll have to outlaw the round wheel, of course, but for the time being, some creative social engineering should do the trick." The caterpillar took another long drag on the hookah. "Good shit. Dole was right about this stuff." "But can't people get real wheels for free?" "Sure, we've pulled off enough they're lying around all over the place. But then you need an axle, bearings, steering - most people still just go down and buy the whole package. We get them, we're in - guy up in Seattle makes something like 90% of all carts sold here, you should see the shit we've got on HIM! No problemo. And those idiots at Netscape - we've got them doing a complete background check on anybody who wants a round wheel - come back in five days, and maybe you can have it." "So, Alice, are you learning anything?" Alice liked the Cheshire Cat, but it did have very sharp teeth, and very long claws, and it did have the habit of appearing out of nothing. Alice felt that it should be treated with respect. "Not really, your cattiness. It doesn't make any sense at all!" "It isn't supposed to. You have to look at it the right way. From their perspective, it makes perfect sense." "I'm confused." "Don't worry about it. It gets worse before it gets better. Come on, we're going to a party. Tim May and John Gilmore are throwing a Mad Tea Party." "Are they really mad?" "May's crazy as a loon. You'll like him. Gilmore, he's just still pissed at Shimamura for that stunt in the hot tub ... " -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net Hey, man, got any spare CPU cycles? Help crack DES. http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 03:46:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA22546 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 03:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA22541 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 03:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022539; Sun, 4 May 97 03:46:32 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA13035 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:54:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705040754.CAA13035@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sun, 04 May 97 02:51:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Second Keyserver Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I just thought of something, when you introduce the second keyserver into the equation, you can set it up to allow 12 or 24 hour long blocks. Then you would have keyserver1 for the smaller blocks and keyserver2 for the big blocks. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 05:37:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22697 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 05:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22692 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 05:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022690; Sun, 4 May 97 05:37:01 -0400 Received: from swsip1-21.ionet.net (swsip1-21.ionet.net [207.204.108.31]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA21869 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 04:45:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705040945.EAA21869@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sun, 04 May 97 04:41:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I like the weeks remaining count. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Subject says it all. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 09:49:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23027 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23022 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plutonium.org(204.180.145.156) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023020; Sun, 4 May 97 09:49:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (mickey@localhost) by plutonium.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02588 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 08:56:02 GMT Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 08:56:01 +0000 () From: Bow Down To The Mighty CHRIS NIXON To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: 64bitslice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk i barely joined this mailing list, and everyone is discussing 64bitslice code. will someone if they dont mind tell me what you are referring to ian /* The greatest trick he ever played... */ /* was convincing the world he didn't exist. */ From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 09:55:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23042 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23037 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haven.uchicago.edu(128.135.12.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023035; Sun, 4 May 97 09:55:43 -0400 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (root@midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by haven.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02194 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:04:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from quads.uchicago.edu (root@quads.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.63]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA07199 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:02:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from quads.uchicago.edu (9778@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by quads.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA02972 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 09:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705041402.JAA02972@quads.uchicago.edu> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Irix 5.3 Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 09:02:36 -0500 From: Ryan D Pierce Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've got access to a bunch of SGI boxen, but alas, they run Irix 5.3, and I only see a client port for Irix 6.2. Does anyone have a client? If not, I'd be more than happy to compile/port it, and make the client available. Ryan From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 10:08:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23083 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23072 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023068; Sun, 4 May 97 10:08:33 -0400 Received: from rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.135.9]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA08676; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:16:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA17196; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 10:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: Ryan D Pierce cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Irix 5.3 In-Reply-To: <199705041402.JAA02972@quads.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, Ryan D Pierce wrote: > I've got access to a bunch of SGI boxen, but alas, they run Irix 5.3, > and I only see a client port for Irix 6.2. The client *should* run under 5.3. Give it a shot... Let us know if you have problems. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Give a man an answer, and today's frustration is gone. Teach him to program, and he will be frustrated for the rest of his life. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 10:31:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23136 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23131 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023129; Sun, 4 May 97 10:31:17 -0400 Received: from ozone (rmtA006.ntr.net [206.112.4.6]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id KAA16106; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 10:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: Bow Down To The Mighty CHRIS NIXON cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: 64bitslice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, Bow Down To The Mighty CHRIS NIXON wrote: > i barely joined this mailing list, and everyone is discussing 64bitslice > code. will someone if they dont mind tell me what you are referring to This conversation is primarily about optimization of key production on 64-bit and 32-bit RISC processors, like the PowerPC and MIPS. Intel's chips have already been optimized for this operation and probably can't gain from the Biham Bitslicing method. CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 10:52:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23185 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23180 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 10:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vela.acs.oakland.edu(141.210.10.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023178; Sun, 4 May 97 10:52:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgscheue@localhost) by vela.acs.oakland.edu (8.8.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21781; Sun, 4 May 1997 11:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 11:00:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark G. Scheuern" To: Ryan D Pierce cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Irix 5.3 In-Reply-To: <199705041402.JAA02972@quads.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, Ryan D Pierce wrote: > I've got access to a bunch of SGI boxen, but alas, they run Irix 5.3, > and I only see a client port for Irix 6.2. > > Does anyone have a client? If not, I'd be more than happy to compile/port > it, and make the client available. One of our SGIs is still running 5.3, and I'm running the irix6.2 client on it with no problems. Performance is pretty unspectacular: I'm getting about 190 Kkeys/s on a 200 MHz R4400 (Indigo2). I'm really looking forward to the 64-bit code for the R10000 machines, but I hope someone is able to squeeze more performance out of the 32-bit Irix code, too. Mark From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 11:21:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23245 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 11:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23240 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vela.acs.oakland.edu(141.210.10.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023238; Sun, 4 May 97 11:21:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (mgscheue@localhost) by vela.acs.oakland.edu (8.8.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00200 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 11:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 11:29:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark G. Scheuern" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Irix performance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Adding a bit to what I said earlier, I'm getting about 480 Kkeys/s on a 250 MHz R4400 running Irix 6.2, and 820 Kkeys/s on an R10000, also running 6.2. I'm wondering if the much worse performance on the 5.3 box (~180 Kkeys/s) is because of the OS or because it only has a 1 MB L2 cache, vs. 2 MB on the 4400 running 6.2 (plus a little extra for 250 vs 200 MHz). Mark From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 12:03:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23326 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23321 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.ntr.net(206.112.0.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023319; Sun, 4 May 97 12:02:55 -0400 Received: from ozone (rmtA006.ntr.net [206.112.4.6]) by ha1.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with SMTP id MAA15951; Sun, 4 May 1997 12:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 12:02:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Dickens X-Sender: cdickens@ozone To: "Mark G. Scheuern" cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Irix performance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, Mark G. Scheuern wrote: > Adding a bit to what I said earlier, I'm getting about 480 Kkeys/s on a > 250 MHz R4400 running Irix 6.2, and 820 Kkeys/s on an R10000, also > running 6.2. I'm wondering if the much worse performance on the 5.3 box > (~180 Kkeys/s) is because of the OS or because it only has a 1 MB L2 > cache, vs. 2 MB on the 4400 running 6.2 (plus a little extra for 250 vs > 200 MHz). Just guessing, but I'd say it's PRIMARILY from the OS revision. The 6.2 code is backward compatible but was still compiled with intentions of running on systems using more advanced features I guess. If anyone knows for sure, feel free to correct me.. CRACK DES NOW!!! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Dickens - cdickens@ntr.net - SGI O2 Powered!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1997 by Christopher Dickens. All Rights Reserved. NOTE: Everything disclosed is the sole opinion of Christopher Dickens and in no way reflects the views or opinions, either in whole or part, of NTR.NET Corporation or any of it's affiliates. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 15:08:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23753 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23748 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023746; Sun, 4 May 97 15:08:27 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24977 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bounce.civil.mtu.edu (root@bounce.civil.mtu.edu [141.219.20.235]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23596 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Weage Received: from rock.me.mtu.edu (weage@rock.me.mtu.edu [141.219.25.31]) by bounce.civil.mtu.edu (8.6.10/MTU-R1.8) with ESMTP id PAA15893 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:19 -0400 Received: (from weage@localhost) by rock.me.mtu.edu (8.8.2/MTU-C1.3) id PAA08741 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705041916.PAA08741@rock.me.mtu.edu> Subject: Who is working on 64 bit client? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com (des) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Sorry about this post, but I deleted the email message from the person who was working on a 64 bit client, specifically for suns. Could you send me another email? Thanks, Josh -- - Joshua Weage weage@mtu.edu http://www.me.mtu.edu/~weage - - "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security - - of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear - - arms, shall not be infringed." - - Second Amendment U.S. Constitution - From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 16:13:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23873 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23868 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu(152.11.5.107) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023866; Sun, 4 May 97 16:13:45 -0400 Received: (from ahn@localhost) by indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA13348; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:14:16 -0400 From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) Message-Id: <199705042014.QAA13348@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Subject: Re: heavier CPU load = more pairs/sec??? In-Reply-To: <199705031750.RAA149190@out2.ibm.net> from Milton Forte II at "May 3, 97 01:50:08 pm" To: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > >On a completely idle system, the elapsed time is just over 2600 seconds for > >2^29 pairs. As the load increases (that is, I start other programs and less > >CPU is available to deschall.exe), the elapsed time decreases. In fact, now > >it's testing 2^30 pairs, because it thinks it's much faster now! Make sure you don't have APM support enabled. Dave. -- Dave Ahn, ahn@vec.bgsm.edu "When you were born you cried, and the ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu world rejoiced. Try to live your life Virtual Endoscopy Center so that when you die you will rejoice, Bowman Gray School of Medicine and the world will cry." -1/2 jj^2 From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 16:22:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23910 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23905 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dopey.verser.frii.com(206.168.13.68) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023903; Sun, 4 May 97 16:22:50 -0400 Received: (from deslists@localhost) by dopey.verser.frii.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA17226; Sun, 4 May 1997 14:31:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:31:08 -0600 From: DES Challenge Lists Message-Id: <199705042031.OAA17226@dopey.verser.frii.com> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com, zudark@mit.edu Subject: Re: Our lead over SolNet...? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Ethan M. O'Connor" > Subject: Our lead over SolNet...? > > (A quick aside before the main body of my > email: How is SolNet managing > 2GKeys/sec with only 4000 hosts reporting > for that time period (7:00pm EDT today)? > They must be running a richer mix of machines by > a long shot, even if you consider that some > of our hosts/day are from dynamic IP's.) I don't think so. The current SolNet stats show 3909 hosts reporting in the last half-hour. I would bet that a large percentage of their clients do not report as often as every half-hour. Also those hosts are probably reporting on much more than 30 minutes of work. In the last 60 seconds, 180 DESCHALL clients reported 122 Gkeys tested. [Wow! We're testing >2 Gkeys/second with only 180 hosts!] The main thing SolNet's number suggests to me is that SolNet's keyservers are taking about 2 hits per second from clients. Similarly, my absurd figures suggest that the DESCHALL keyserver is taking about 3 hits per second from clients. [This is a correct conclusion.] On the other hand, their "total hosts" (19684) may be too high. I believe they count hosts with dynamic IP addresses more than once (like us). And I believe they count hosts behind firewalls as a single host (like us). It tends to average out. Also note they have some 8400 hosts that have tested at least 100 blocks. It's hard to imagine this figure can significantly overstate the number of dynamic IP addresses. Right now, SolNet is running just under 2Gkps. DESCHALL is running just over 2Gkps. The two things I am pretty sure of are that SolNet has *more* clients, but DESCHALL has *faster* clients. -- Rocke From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 16:29:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23928 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23923 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu(152.11.5.107) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023921; Sun, 4 May 97 16:29:26 -0400 Received: (from ahn@localhost) by indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA13441; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:29:30 -0400 From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) Message-Id: <199705042029.QAA13441@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Subject: Re: Irix 5.3 In-Reply-To: <199705041402.JAA02972@quads.uchicago.edu> from Ryan D Pierce at "May 4, 97 09:02:36 am" To: rdpierce@midway.uchicago.edu (Ryan D Pierce) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I've got access to a bunch of SGI boxen, but alas, they run Irix 5.3, > and I only see a client port for Irix 6.2. The 6.2 client runs fine on 5.3. It's a 32 bit binary. Dave. > > Does anyone have a client? If not, I'd be more than happy to compile/port > it, and make the client available. > > Ryan > -- Dave Ahn, ahn@vec.bgsm.edu "When you were born you cried, and the ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu world rejoiced. Try to live your life Virtual Endoscopy Center so that when you die you will rejoice, Bowman Gray School of Medicine and the world will cry." -1/2 jj^2 From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 17:28:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24059 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 17:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24054 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 17:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ece.orst.edu(128.193.48.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024052; Sun, 4 May 97 17:27:56 -0400 Received: from pal.ece.orst.edu (pal.ECE.ORST.EDU [128.193.48.5]) by ECE.ORST.EDU with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA08665; Sun, 4 May 1997 14:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by pal.ece.orst.edu (8.7.1/HP-Client) id OAA06820; Sun, 4 May 1997 14:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bean Burrito To: Paonia Ezrine cc: TC Lai , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: MacOS Client In-Reply-To: <199705020339.XAA06028@exon.massart.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Paonia Ezrine wrote: > just a note if you got tyhe key the game is over. All the client would > stop and you would not be able to get any more keys. So it has not > happened yet. > paonia I would also like to know, but for a different reason. I am running this program in a lab setting and would like it logging to a file rather than to the screen so that users do not try and quit the program so often. Is there a guide to the things that you can put in the Mac DES prefs file? There are only two items in the file when I d/led it. How can I specify an outfile? Thanks, Patrick "Oh, what sad times are these when | Patrick Voelker passing ruffians can 'Nee' at will | voelker@ece.orst.edu to old ladies." -Monty Python | http://www.ece.orst.edu/~voelker From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 17:42:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24088 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 17:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24083 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 17:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marauder.randomc.com(205.160.20.86) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024081; Sun, 4 May 97 17:42:43 -0400 Received: from marauder.randomc.com (marauder.randomc.com [100.100.100.5]) by marauder.randomc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26232 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 17:50:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ITS ME DAMN IT To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: SOLNET Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk just on a whim i was doing searches for solnet stuff and i came across this http://www.solnet.org good for a laugh but u guys probaly know that From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 18:05:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24132 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24127 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024125; Sun, 4 May 97 18:05:50 -0400 Received: from [207.96.100.154] (rcm-as8s10.erols.com [207.96.100.154]) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA19918; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:17:20 -0400 X-Sender: insect@mail.antennahead.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199705020339.XAA06028@exon.massart.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 18:13:55 -0400 To: Bean Burrito , Paonia Ezrine From: andrew meggs Subject: Re: MacOS Client Cc: TC Lai , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 2:35 PM -0700 5/4/97, Bean Burrito wrote: > I would also like to know, but for a different reason. I am >running this program in a lab setting and would like it logging to a file >rather than to the screen so that users do not try and quit the program >so often. Is there a guide to the things that you can put in the Mac >DES prefs file? There are only two items in the file when I d/led it. >How can I specify an outfile? You can run the current client with no preference file, and it'll ask for a command line and where to send output. Currently, those are the only two things that can be put into the pref file. As a future direction for the MacOS client, how many people would be interested in a faceless background app that wrote only to a file and didn't open any windows or appear in the applications menu? Just drop it in your startup items folder and forget about it... ____________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Meggs, content provider Antennahead Industries, Inc. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 18:15:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24173 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24168 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024154; Sun, 4 May 97 18:14:58 -0400 Received: from brain.cis.ohio-state.edu (brain.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.2]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA17990 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:23:17 -0400 From: guy albertelli Received: (albertel@localhost) by brain.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) id SAA04359 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705042223.SAA04359@brain.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: Irix performance To: cdickens@ntr.net (Christopher Dickens) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:22:26 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Christopher Dickens" at May 4, 97 12:02:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > Adding a bit to what I said earlier, I'm getting about 480 Kkeys/s on a > > 250 MHz R4400 running Irix 6.2, and 820 Kkeys/s on an R10000, also > > running 6.2. I'm wondering if the much worse performance on the 5.3 box > > (~180 Kkeys/s) is because of the OS or because it only has a 1 MB L2 > > cache, vs. 2 MB on the 4400 running 6.2 (plus a little extra for 250 vs > > 200 MHz). > > Just guessing, but I'd say it's PRIMARILY from the OS revision. The 6.2 > code is backward compatible but was still compiled with intentions of > running on systems using more advanced features I guess. Nope this isn't it at all, it is most definately at least the MHz change and then the L2 cache, there might also be slight differences in the chips internal design. SGi has made lots of little variations on the R4k design. Likely that there maybe a small change in the amount of On-chip cache, run hinv on the SGIs, that will let you know if there are any other hardware differences. But the code was compiled as an old 32-bit client, rather than the new 6.X Irix 32--bit or 64-bit versions. (And to head off complaints, this was done because it was the fastest version. There has been alot of expirementation with command line options to compilers, on many different SGIs) -- Guy Albertelli II albertel@pilot.msu.edu | "And God rested, chuckling at O- http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~albertel | His own little play on words" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A good scapegoat is nearly as welcome as a solution to the problem. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 18:27:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24216 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24211 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graphics.lcs.mit.edu(18.24.2.30) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024209; Sun, 4 May 97 18:27:28 -0400 Received: from blur.lcs.mit.edu by graphics.lcs.mit.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA51514; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:32:27 -0400 Message-Id: <336D0F42.FDDEACBB@graphics.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:35:46 -0400 From: "Nathan D. T. Boyd" Organization: MIT Computer Graphics Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jered J Floyd , Sam Hartman , sipb@mit.edu, "Nathan D. T. Boyd" , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: DES Challenge '97 and Athena (MIT) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <336D0E6A.BF306EC1@graphics.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I am going to CC: this reply to the DES Challenge mailing list, where people will better be able to address the issues you raise, Jered. For those of you on the mailing list: SIPB is a student-run organization here at MIT that supports our campus network, Athena. They are omnipotent when it comes to campus computing resources. Jered J Floyd wrote: > > I think Nathan's original suggestion was to either publicize the client > (which we could do on the web server, or the like), or work with IS to have > the DES cracker automagically run on login. Obviously, I don't think we > can seriously consider the latter option. Which leaves us with installing > the client somewhere useful and publicizing it. I was thinking of these two options: 1. Publicize the client (e.g., perhaps a one-time zephyr message), with a local client implementation. 2. Do the above, but also give people directions how to have the client automagically start when the login. They have to actively set this up (we make it easy), and each time they login they are notified that the client is running. > I'm pretty sure that the client DTRT w.r.t. the signals that session_gate > sends...so it should terminate in most cases when users logout. In some > unusual cases (session_gate breaks, non-standard session_gate), it might > not...and I'm fairly certain the client doesn't check to see if a user > is logged in. We could attempt to write a wrapper for this, or see about > getting source... I cannot answer this. > > We could probably put the client in outland for Linux and > > NetBSD as a minimum so that people who have their own machines could > > be told to run it. (Jered, any suggestions/comments on the > > advisability of doing this?) > > Echhh...this is a sticky one. I think that outland implies some degree > of support, and so I'm wary of installing software that we can't do any > sort of audit on, which isn't from a commercial entity. (Unfortunately, > that statement is rather arbitrary. I was going to say 'unauditable', > but then remembered netscape.) Either way, I'd say code availablility > is preferable, and I believe one of the competing groups in the DES > challenge has done so. If we choose to install a DES cracking client > in a supported or semi-supported locker, we might want to first evaluate > which client is most appropriate. I am not aware of the particulars when it comes to acquiring source. I know that several different individuals have worked on the currently available platforms -- I would think that they would be happy to give you source (perhaps alongside an NDA) for the express purpose of taking advantage of Athena's computational resources. > For Linux and NetBSD (and other personal machines), I'm not sure of the > advantage of installing it in AFS space instead of just providing a pointer > to the original source; but I don't strongly object to doing so. There was > some talk earlier via zephyr of writing a wrapper to run the program in > a chroot'ed environment, as nobody; someone might want to look into the > feasibility of that. Again, this is a question I hope someone on the mailing list can act upon. - Nate -- Nate Boyd MIT Computer Graphics Group, NE43-249 mailto:boydn@graphics.lcs.mit.edu 617.258.5090 [tel] http://lumina.lcs.mit.edu/People/boydn/www 617.253.6652 [fax] From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 18:43:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24255 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24250 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 18:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cheetah.it.wsu.edu(134.121.1.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024248; Sun, 4 May 97 18:43:10 -0400 Received: from cheetah.it.wsu.edu (aaronpw@cheetah.it.wsu.edu [134.121.1.8]) by cheetah.it.wsu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06705 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Whiteman X-Sender: aaronpw@cheetah.it.wsu.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: MacOS Client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, andrew meggs wrote: > As a future direction for the MacOS client, how many people would be > interested in a faceless background app that wrote only to a file and > didn't open any windows or appear in the applications menu? Just drop it in > your startup items folder and forget about it... > Sounds good to me, but one feature I would like to see in the client: A "quit" that quits at the end of the key block the machine is currently processing. My mac runs with -20 friendliness at night, with nothing else on (even the finder is killed). In the morning, when I have to use the machine, I must restart to get my extensions back, and hate to kill the app while it is working on a 2^30 block. BTW waiting for the block to finish doesnt work because it grabs another block before i can kill it. Aaron -------------- join the $10,000 challenge! Help deschall crack DES, proving we need more security on the web.... From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 19:00:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24334 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24329 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s5-171-9.student.washington.edu(128.95.171.9) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024327; Sun, 4 May 97 19:00:08 -0400 Received: (from xyzzy@localhost) by s5-171-9.student.washington.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA05498; Sun, 4 May 1997 16:08:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent Piepho To: DESCHALL Subject: "complementary pairs of keys" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This sounds like each key has another which will produce identical results. So, given that a key K isn't the correct key, it follows that its complement K' is also not the correct key. Am I totally wrong here, or is this on track? So, by avoiding checking the complements of keys already checked the search is speeded up by a factor of 2. I have one question then. Given K, how does one find K'? |Gazing up to the breeze of the heavens \ on a quest, meaning, reason | |came to be, how it begun \ all alone in the family of the sun | |curiosity teasing everyone \ on our home, third stone from the sun. | |Trent Piepho (xyzzy@u.washington.edu) -- Metallica | From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 19:28:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24376 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24371 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu(141.211.164.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024369; Sun, 4 May 97 19:28:02 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.1] by terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.5/2.3) with ESMTP id TAA21872; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:36:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mta@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199705020339.XAA06028@exon.massart.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:35:53 -0400 To: andrew meggs , Bean Burrito , Paonia Ezrine From: Mike Alexander Subject: Re: MacOS Client Cc: TC Lai , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 6:13 PM -0400 5/4/97, andrew meggs wrote: >You can run the current client with no preference file, and it'll ask for >a command line and where to send output. Currently, those are the only two >things that can be put into the pref file. At least on my machine (a PowerTower Pro 200 running 7.6.1) it immediately crashes if you try to set either the input or output to a file. It seems to wander off into the weeds and eventually executes an illegal instruction in the system heap. I can send a MacsBug log if anyone is interested. >As a future direction for the MacOS client, how many people would be >interested in a faceless background app that wrote only to a file and >didn't open any windows or appear in the applications menu? Just drop it in >your startup items folder and forget about it... That seems like a good idea to me. Mike Alexander Internet: mta@umich.edu +1-313-663-1759 Fax: +1-313-327-0567 From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 20:43:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24542 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24537 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux4.cso.uiuc.edu(128.174.5.62) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024535; Sun, 4 May 97 20:42:30 -0400 Received: from [130.126.192.24] (crh0758.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.192.24]) by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18365 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 19:50:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: doolittl@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199705020339.XAA06028@exon.massart.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:50:46 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Jim Doolittle Subject: Re: MacOS Client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >At 6:13 PM -0400 5/4/97, andrew meggs wrote: > >As a future direction for the MacOS client, how many people would be >interested in a faceless background app that wrote only to a file and >didn't open any windows or appear in the applications menu? Just drop it in >your startup items folder and forget about it... I'd be rather concerned about performance hits with doing this. I have the client running on a 6100/66 with a niceness of 9, but I still need to shut it down when doing anything processor intensive. -Jim Jim Doolittle ------------------------------------------------------- doolittl@uiuc.edu | Crack DES now! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm | gimli@avara.com ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/doolittl PGP public key available From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 20:54:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24605 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24600 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 20:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024598; Sun, 4 May 97 20:54:23 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA20809 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:02:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id VAA25552 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:02:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 21:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: "complementary pairs of keys" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, Trent Piepho wrote: > This sounds like each key has another which will produce identical results. > So, given that a key K isn't the correct key, it follows that its complement > K' is also not the correct key. Am I totally wrong here, or is this on > track? It doesn't quite work out that way... :-) [I'll use a little funny notation now: P<-K=C This means when the plaintext P is "modified" with the key K, the cyphertext C is the result. And, since DES is a symmetric cypher, the reverse is (must be) true: C<-K=P] DES has the somewhat interesting property where if P<-K=C, P'<-K'=C'. That is, the modifying the complement of P with the complement of K gives the complement of C. You can't really make use of this to directly speed up the keysearch, though. That's because to find out anything about K', you need to modify P', not P -- which means you've got to do the whole DES encryptino process again. Ie, P<-K=C does not imply P<-K'=C' Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "In wildness is the preservation of the world." -- Henry David Thoreau From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 21:31:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24728 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24723 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mtu.edu(141.219.70.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024721; Sun, 4 May 97 21:30:44 -0400 Received: from mtu.edu (mtu.edu [141.219.70.1]) by news.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03886; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scully.dcs.it.mtu.edu (scully.dcs.it.mtu.edu [141.219.6.66]) by mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18800; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from barber@localhost) by scully.dcs.it.mtu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mtumailer-1.1) id VAA29849; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael R. Barber" Message-Id: <199705050138.VAA29849@scully.dcs.it.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Fast 64-bit keysearch engine To: dkindred@cmu.edu (Darrell Kindred) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 21:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu, cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com, rcv@dopey.verser.frii.com, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <9704290352.AA29152@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> from "Darrell Kindred" at Apr 28, 97 11:52:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Preface: I just joined the deschall-announce list and read this in the April archive, so I am not sure if this has been addressed yet. > Hi folks, > > Over the weekend I implemented a variant of Biham's > bit-parallel DES method that gives substantially better > keysearch performance on 64-bit machines than any available > DES-cracker I'm aware of. Here are some preliminary timings: > > I'm willing to work on integrating this engine with the > DESCHALL client code; please let me know whether you're > interested. > > I'm told that the Sparc Ultras can run 64-bit code too, > under Solaris 2.6, but I don't have access to such a > machine. If anyone else does, please let me know and > we can try it out. > > - Darrell You'll not find many people running Solaris 2.6 since it is still in beta. My desktop work machine is an Ultra 2170 (dual 167 MHz Ultrasparc) running Solaris 2.6 beta refresh. Although I cannot provide access to this machine, however, I can give something a try if it will help out. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael R. Barber i-net: barber@mtu.edu Systems Programmer/Analyst Distributed Computing Services, MTU Home: (906) 482-8412 Work: (906) 487-2112 From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 21:52:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24777 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24772 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ee.net(206.31.38.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024770; Sun, 4 May 97 21:52:27 -0400 Received: from dawson.ee.net (modem15.columbus.ee.net [206.222.0.15]) by ee.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08037 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <336D3FDC.103BCF76@ee.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 22:03:08 -0400 From: Phillip Dawson Reply-To: dawson@ee.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Deschal Subject: Re: MacOS Client/ win32 dll X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705020339.XAA06028@exon.massart.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk andrew meggs wrote: > As a future direction for the MacOS client, how many people would be > interested in a faceless background app that wrote only to a file and > didn't open any windows or appear in the applications menu? Just drop it in > your startup items folder and forget about it... > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Andrew Meggs, content provider Antennahead Industries, Inc. > I'd like to see this as well, perhaps as a control panel/extension. Right now I could set up about 31 to 60 machines if something like this was available. On another note, any chance of getting the win32 clients in the form of a dll? What I'm looking for is a module I could call from a screen saver shell I already have, with it I could add another 30 machines(but faster than the macs). Phillip Dawson From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 22:06:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24887 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA24879 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024875; Sun, 4 May 97 22:06:06 -0400 Received: from swsip1-13.ionet.net (swsip1-13.ionet.net [207.204.108.23]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20987 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 21:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705050214.VAA20987@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Sun, 04 May 97 21:10:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SCO Unix. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Is there an SCO client? I have a friend who works for a company with half a dozen dual PPro 200 SCO servers. Is there a client that works with it? Can there be one? We might be able to get him to give a guest account (when the other sysop is out of the office ;-) ). Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 22:16:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA25014 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA25009 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gs213.sp.cs.cmu.edu(128.2.209.183) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025007; Sun, 4 May 97 22:16:25 -0400 Received: by GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24751; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:24:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:24:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9705050224.AA24751@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darrell Kindred To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: "complementary pairs of keys" Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Justin Dolske writes: > You can't really make use of this to directly speed up the keysearch, > though. That's because to find out anything about K', you need to modify > P', not P -- which means you've got to do the whole DES encryptino process > again. Ie, P<-K=C does not imply P<-K'=C' Actually, you often can take advantage of this property to save some work, and I imagine DESCHALL clients do. The reason is that even though you have to do two encryptions to check K and K', you can use the same key in both encryptions. Since there's usually some work associated with setting up a new key for encryption, you win. It's not a 2x speedup, but it helps. So for each key, K, that you test, you try encrypting P with K and compare against C, then you try encrypting P' with K and compare against C'. If the first test succeeds, the real key is K; if the second test succeeds, the real key is K'. - Darrell From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 22:48:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA25062 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA25057 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025055; Sun, 4 May 97 22:47:41 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA22882; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:55:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id WAA27911; Sun, 4 May 1997 22:55:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: Darrell Kindred cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: "complementary pairs of keys" In-Reply-To: <9705050224.AA24751@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997, Darrell Kindred wrote: > Actually, you often can take advantage of this property to > save some work, and I imagine DESCHALL clients do. Sure you can (I've got the source :-)... You just can't use it to escape doing more encryptions. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A mosquito cried out in pain: "A chemist has poisoned my brain!" The cause of his sorrow was para-dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane. From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 23:24:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25220 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25215 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moriarty.es.yale.edu(130.132.176.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025213; Sun, 4 May 97 23:24:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (briansee@localhost) by moriarty.es.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00474 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:35:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: moriarty.es.yale.edu: briansee owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:35:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian See X-Sender: briansee@moriarty.es.yale.edu Reply-To: Brian See To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Slow machines running the client... Message-ID: X-Permission: Ok to distribute as long as proper attribution given. X-Procrastination-Method: This message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I know people have been bragging about how fast their dual PPros are crunching through the DES keyspace....I wonder what the _slowest_ machine people are throwing at the challenge is, though? Just for kicks, I ran the Mac client on a good old Mac Classic II; it's been up for over 24 hours, now, and is reporting going through 2^22 pairs of keys in around 4200 seconds. Hey, every little bit counts, right? :) (Sad to say, there are a few dozen of those machines in labs around campus, being used as low-end email terminals...) --Brian --- Brian See : "...you have to suffer to play brass, you briansee@moriarty.es.yale.edu : have to blow so hard sometimes you forget brian.see@yale.edu : your own Social Security number." : -- Garrison Keillor, APHC 12/7/96 From owner-deschall-announce Sun May 4 23:59:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25315 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25310 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:59:03 -0400 (EDT) From: noggle@isoc.net Received: from is.isoc.net(207.123.68.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025308; Sun, 4 May 97 23:59:03 -0400 Received: from hh1100228.direcpc.com (hh1100228.direcpc.com [206.71.100.228]) by isoc.net (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ia025644 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:08:42 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Slow machines running the client... Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 04:06:22 GMT Message-ID: <336d5c86.38527697@mail.isoc.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 May 1997 23:35:42 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > I know people have been bragging about how fast their dual PPros are >crunching through the DES keyspace....I wonder what the _slowest_ machine >people are throwing at the challenge is, though? > > Just for kicks, I ran the Mac client on a good old Mac Classic II; >it's been up for over 24 hours, now, and is reporting going through 2^22 >pairs of keys in around 4200 seconds. You mean you can network old macintoshes? (macintoshi?) What is the plural for macintosh anyway? Jason Gmoser noggle@isoc.net From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 00:27:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA25493 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA25488 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from megalon.rs.itd.umich.edu(141.211.83.27) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025486; Mon, 5 May 97 00:27:07 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.1] by megalon.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.5/2.2) id AAA11680; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mta@m.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <336d5c86.38527697@mail.isoc.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:34:46 -0400 To: noggle@isoc.net, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Mike Alexander Subject: Re: Slow machines running the client... Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 12:06 AM -0400 5/5/97, noggle@isoc.net wrote: >You mean you can network old macintoshes? (macintoshi?) What is the >plural for >macintosh anyway? Sure, Macs (that's as good a plural as any) have had networking since almost the very beginning, and anything since at least the MacPlus can run MacTCP. Getting ethernet on a MacPlus might be a trick (you perhaps could use a SCSI ethernet adapter), but you can do IP over localtalk with the appropriate gateway which I imagine is the way the Mac Classic that started this thread is hooked into the Internet. Mike Alexander Internet: mta@umich.edu +1-313-663-1759 Fax: +1-313-327-0567 From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 01:33:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25749 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25744 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moriarty.es.yale.edu(130.132.176.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025742; Mon, 5 May 97 01:32:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (briansee@localhost) by moriarty.es.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02077 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:40:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: moriarty.es.yale.edu: briansee owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 01:40:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian See X-Sender: briansee@moriarty.es.yale.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Slow machines running the client... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Permission: Ok to distribute as long as proper attribution given. X-Procrastination-Method: This message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 May 1997, Mike Alexander wrote: > Sure, Macs (that's as good a plural as any) have had networking since > almost the very beginning, and anything since at least the MacPlus can run > MacTCP. Getting ethernet on a MacPlus might be a trick (you perhaps could > use a SCSI ethernet adapter), but you can do IP over localtalk with the > appropriate gateway which I imagine is the way the Mac Classic that started > this thread is hooked into the Internet. The Mac Classic II in question is indeed connected to the Internet via Localtalk. Fortunately, deschall isn't a bandwidth-intensive application. Heh. Because of the way the localtalk -> IP gateway is setup, all of the localtalked mcas in each localtalk zone resolves to the same IP address. So if one were to get enough (tm) of them running, they might make a big hit in the site rankings. (Enough being on the order of magnitude of four hundred or so to equal the output of one Pentium 166, that is...) --Brian --- Brian See : "...you have to suffer to play brass, you briansee@moriarty.es.yale.edu : have to blow so hard sometimes you forget brian.see@yale.edu : your own Social Security number." : -- Garrison Keillor, APHC 12/7/96 From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 01:48:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25790 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25785 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay2.its.yale.edu(130.132.21.73) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025783; Mon, 5 May 97 01:48:05 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.31]) by mail-relay2.its.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA08902 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from josquin (josquin.pc.yale.edu [130.132.173.83]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27691 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC58F7.708A00B0@jensen.harris@yale.edu> From: Jensen Harris To: "Deschall (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Slow machines running the client... Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 01:55:41 -0400 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Monday, May 05, 1997 1:41 AM, Brian See [SMTP:brian.see@yale.edu] wrote: > > Heh. Because of the way the localtalk -> IP gateway is setup, all of > the localtalked mcas in each localtalk zone resolves to the same IP > address. > So if one were to get enough (tm) of them running, they might make a big > hit > in the site rankings. (Enough being on the order of magnitude of four > hundred or so to equal the output of one Pentium 166, that is...) No problem. Talk to Will. :) Jensen From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 01:57:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25827 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25822 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultra2.ionet.net(206.41.128.42) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025820; Mon, 5 May 97 01:56:41 -0400 Received: from swsip1-13.ionet.net (swsip1-13.ionet.net [207.204.108.23]) by mail.ionet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15696 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:05:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705050605.BAA15696@mail.ionet.net> From: "Colin L. Hildinger" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Mon, 05 May 97 01:01:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Colin L. Hildinger" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Solnet not getting faster. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk FYI - Solnet is not faster today than they were yesterday or Friday. Actually, they've fallen off in the last 24 hours. Interesting. I bet we're considerably faster. Here's a theory about this: It's already Monday morning there, and in many of the countries participating with Solnet. They have their weekend peak before us and their Monday falloff before us. So they look like they're really gaining for a while and then we stretch our lead back out. Based on their current keyrate and our average keyrate yesterday, we're ~7% faster than they are. Of course, they've already peaked for the weekend and should fall off the next day or two. Also, another advantage we have in the US is that we tend to have cheaper dialup connections, so we probably have more independents like myself running deschall than they have. Colin L. Hildinger Games Editor - OS/2 e-Zine! http://www.os2ezine.com/ The Ultimate OS/2 Gaming Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/games.html The Official Unofficial AWE32 and OS/2 Warp Page http://www.ionet.net/~colin/awe32.html From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 02:07:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA25961 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 02:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA25956 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 02:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gldfs.cr.usgs.gov(136.177.20.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025954; Mon, 5 May 97 02:07:16 -0400 Received: from [136.177.30.93] (gldppp93.golden.cr.usgs.gov) by gldfs.cr.usgs.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA11188; Mon, 5 May 97 00:10:52 MDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:14:25 -0600 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: oetting@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov (Dan Oetting) Subject: Rolling out the new clients Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk It's disappointing that the rate that new clients are developed and released is not much higher. I attribute this primarily to the fact that the client software is proprietary and so there are only a few programmers working part time on new releases. The task of porting the client code to new operating systems and optimizing the encryption engine for each cpu could easily be distributed without compromising the search. The client program can be divided into 3 parts with different requirements for system dependency, security and optimization. The client shell contains all the system dependent code and handles all communications, user interaction and scheduling. The security unit contains all the proprietary security code for decoding the request parameters and encoding the result. The encryption engine contains the code that needs to be optimized for each cpu. The client shell contains the bulk of the client code and will require the most effort in porting to a new platform. Fortunately the source for the client shell could be made public so porting to new clients can be a widely distributed process. The client shells are independent of the challenge being processed so they will be ready for the next challenge once DES is crushed. The security unit is system and hardware independent so only one version is required for each challenge. Since the security of the search effort depends on proprietary encoding and decoding functions the source code should not be released. Although a reference version without the security functions could be made available for testing. The security unit will be accessed with a single function call to pass the starting address and block size. A periodic callback to check_input allows the client shell to check activity and update displays while the search is processing. The callback rate should be adjusted by the client shell. The security unit would also have full control of the encryption engine. The encryption engine would benefit most from optimization. Although the encryption engine is system independent optimization would be cpu specific. A reference version of the encryption engine in standard C should be made available (subject to export restrictions of course). The reference version could be used in new clients until the optimized versions are available. Under this scenario development of new clients could be a distributed effort requiring the core teem only to verify, compile and test the final versions. -- Dan Oetting From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 02:19:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA26076 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 02:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA26071 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 02:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu(129.105.16.57) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026069; Mon, 5 May 97 02:18:43 -0400 Received: from [199.74.124.102] (mantodea.res-hall.nwu.edu) by merle.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251283619; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:26:59 -0500 X-Sender: gadad@merle.acns.nwu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 01:27:00 -0500 To: "Colin L. Hildinger" , From: gadad@nwu.edu (Vijay Gadad) Subject: Re: Solnet not getting faster. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 1:01 AM 5/5/97, Colin L. Hildinger wrote: >It's already Monday morning there, and in many of the countries >participating with Solnet. They have their weekend peak before us and Note that not all countries have their weekends Sat/Sun. Vijay From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 03:01:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26234 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26229 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarty.smart.net(206.27.242.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026227; Mon, 5 May 97 03:01:35 -0400 Received: from 128.83.154.87 (slip-96-16.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.249.96]) by smarty.smart.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA12525 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <336C5499.467A@smart.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 02:20:16 -0700 From: seth Reply-To: sjohnson@smart.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Pentium Pro math bug? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I certainly don't want to assist in creating hysteria, nor do I want to help spread misinformation. I am concerned, however, by the potential for DESChall's work to be impacted by its emphasis on Pentium hardware. Could the possible math bug in the Pentium Pro affect the DES cracking project? Please reference the following article: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,10342,00.html Concerned, Seth Johnson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2, by Very Safe Mail 1.0 iQB1AwUBM2xUe4ATSJwNFmrxAQF+rgL7BQ4f2wGmhuPCvnmebmEmFA52+KTdY/aD Z9GuZeoRg2NxvC91hnY5dJXDQFt7oASAOyCVdfjGbOWO0LhVE63UlxNP2BV984W/ 4OjN4ILe4mYtSNAtak9Dq0O1Qnm7Z8cU =i1xr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 03:16:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26285 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26280 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chatlink.com(205.139.105.61) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026278; Mon, 5 May 97 03:15:56 -0400 Received: from cl7-p9 (cl7-p9.chatlink.com [205.139.105.186]) by chatlink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00348 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:24:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 00:24:08 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Andrew James Alan Welty" Subject: Re: Pentium Pro math bug? Message-Id: <862806248-0-andrew@chatlink.com> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <862806248-1-andrew@chatlink.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk === I certainly don't want to assist in creating hysteria, nor do I want to help spread misinformation. I am concerned, however, by the potential for DESChall's work to be impacted by its emphasis on Pentium hardware. Could the possible math bug in the Pentium Pro affect the DES cracking project? Please reference the following article: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,10342,00.html Concerned, === It's not a problem for Deschall, as the bug is in the FPU and Deschall doesn't use any FPU math just Integer. From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 03:32:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26337 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26332 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gs213.sp.cs.cmu.edu(128.2.209.183) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026330; Mon, 5 May 97 03:32:39 -0400 Received: by GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11253; Mon, 5 May 1997 03:40:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 03:40:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9705050740.AA11253@GS213.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Darrell Kindred To: sjohnson@smart.net Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Pentium Pro math bug? Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science In-Reply-To: <336C5499.467A@smart.net> References: <336C5499.467A@smart.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk seth writes: > I certainly don't want to assist in creating hysteria, nor do I > want to help spread misinformation. I am concerned, however, by > the potential for DESChall's work to be impacted by its emphasis > on Pentium hardware. > > Could the possible math bug in the Pentium Pro affect the DES > cracking project? Please reference the following article: > > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,10342,00.html Don't worry. The alleged bug is another floating-point problem; the DESCHALL keysearch engine just does integer operations. - Darrell From owner-deschall-announce Mon May 5 04:26:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA26428 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 04:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA26423 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 04:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.jfku.edu(204.161.52.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026421; Mon, 5 May 97 04:26:37 -0400 Received: by jfku.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22183; Mon, 5 May 1997 01:34:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 01:34:57 -0700 M