From owner-deschall-announce Sun Jun 1 11:25:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00771 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00766 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hate.sizone.org(209.50.72.17) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000761; Sun, 1 Jun 97 11:24:48 -0400 Received: by sizone.org (Linux Smail3.1.93 #5) id m0wYBj7-000H3YC; Sun, 1 Jun 97 10:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: mathboy@sizone.org (Eating Before Swimming) Subject: INFO: Encryption battle heats up in House; experts weigh in (5/30/97) (fwd) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk To: crypto-news@panix.com From: shabbir@vtw.org (Shabbir J. Safdar) Subject: INFO: Encryption battle heats up in House; experts weigh in (5/30/97) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:38:40 -0400 Reply-To: crypto-news@lists.panix.com ============================================================================= ____ _ _ _ / ___|_ __ _ _ _ __ | |_ ___ | \ | | _____ _____ | | | '__| | | | '_ \| __/ _ \ _____| \| |/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| | |___| | | |_| | |_) | || (_) |_____| |\ | __/\ V V /\__ \ \____|_| \__, | .__/ \__\___/ |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/ |___/|_| PRO-ENCRYPTION BILL CLEARS SECOND CONGRESSIONAL HURDLE; FACES TOUGHER TEST IN COMING WEEKS. CRYPTOGRAPHERS AND COMPUTER SECURITY EXPERTS ASSAIL GOVERNMENT KEY RECOVERY PLANS Date: May 29, 1997 Expires July 1, 1997 URL:http://www.crypto.com/ crypto-news@panix.com Redistribution of crypto-news is allowed in its entirety. _____________________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents Encryption battle heats up in the House Experts assail government key recovery plans What YOU CAN DO NOW! Background What's at stake How to start or stop receiving crypto-news Press contacts _____________________________________________________________________________ ENCRYPTION BATTLE HEATS UP IN THE HOUSE On May 14th, the House Judiciary Committee approved a bill designed to dramatically enhance the ability of Internet users to protect their privacy and security online. The bill now moves to the House International Relations Committee, where it is expected to face tougher opposition from the FBI, NSA, and the Clinton Administration. The International Relations Committee is expected to consider the bill soon. The Security and Freedom through Encryption Act (SAFE - HR 695) will prohibit the government from imposing mandatory law enforcement access to private online communications inside the US, affirm the right of American Citizens to use whatever from of encryption they choose, and relax current export restrictions which prevent the development of strong, easy-to-use encryption technologies. The Clinton Administration, led by the FBI and the National Security agency, opposes SAFE and is pushing for a policy of domestic restrictions on the use of encryption, guaranteed law enforcement access to private communications via government designed "key-recovery" systems, and continued reliance on out-dated, cold-war era export controls. For the first time in history, Congress is close to passing real encryption policy reform legislation which will protect privacy, promote electronic commerce, and recognizes the realities of the global Internet. Pointers to additional information on the SAFE bill and other efforts to reform U.S. encryption policy are attached below. Congress needs to hear from you! If you value your privacy and care about the future of the Net, please take a few moments to join the Adopt Your Legislator campaign. Instructions are attached below. ________________________________________________________________________________ CRYPTOGRAPHERS AND COMPUTER SECURITY EXPERTS ASSAIL GOV'T. KEY RECOVERY PLANS On Wednesday May 21, a group of leading cryptographers and computer scientists released a report which for the first time examines the risks and implications of government-designed key-recovery systems. The report cautions that "The deployment of a general key-recovery-based encryption infrastructure to meet law enforcement's stated requirements will result in substantial sacrifices in security and cost to the end user. Building a secure infrastructure of the breathtaking scale and complexity demanded by these requirements is far beyond the experience and current competency of the field." The report substantially changes the terms of the ongoing debate over US encryption policy. For more than four years, the Clinton Administration has pushed for a policy of continued export restrictions on strong encryption, and the development of global key escrow and key recovery systems to address the concerns of law enforcement. The study, the first comprehensive analysis of the risks of key recovery and key escrow systems, calls into question the viability of the Administration's approach. The Report's authors, recognized leaders in the cryptography and computer science field, include Hal Abelson, Ross Anderson, Steven M. Bellovin, Josh Benaloh, Matt Blaze, Whitfield Diffie, John Gilmore, Peter G. Neumann, Ronald L. Rivest, Jeffery I. Schiller, and Bruce Schneier The report is be available online at http://www.crypto.com/key_study/ ________________________________________________________________________________ WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW 1. Adopt Your Legislator Now is the time to increase our ranks and prepare for the fight that lies a head of us in Congress. Please take a few minutes to learn more about this important issue, and join the Adopt Your Legislator Campaign at http://www.crypto.com/adopt/ This will produce a customized page, just for you with your own legislator's telephone number and address. In addition, you will receive the latest news and information on the issue, as well as targeted alerts informing you when your Representatives in Congress do something that could help or hinder the future of the Internet. Best of all, it's free. Do your part, Work the Network! Visit http://www.crypto.com/adopt/ for details. 2. Spread the Word! Forward this Alert to your friends. Help educate the public about the importance of this issue. Please do not forward after July 1, 1997. _____________________________________________________________________________ BACKGROUND Complete background information, including: * A down-to-earth explanation of why this debate is important to Internet users * Analysis and background on the issue * Text of the Administration draft legislation * Text of Congressional proposals to reform US encryption policy * Audio transcripts and written testimony from recent Congressional Hearings on encryption policy reform * And more! Are all available at http://www.crypto.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ WHAT'S AT STAKE Encryption technologies are the locks and keys of the Information age -- enabling individuals and businesses to protect sensitive information as it is transmitted over the Internet. As more and more individuals and businesses come online, the need for strong, reliable, easy-to-use encryption technologies has become a critical issue to the health and viability of the Net. Current US encryption policy, which limits the strength of encryption products US companies can sell abroad, also limits the availability of strong, easy-to-use encryption technologies in the United States. US hardware and software manufacturers who wish to sell their products on the global market must either conform to US encryption export limits or produce two separate versions of the same product, a costly and complicated alternative. The export controls, which the NSA and FBI argue help to keep strong encryption out of the hands of foreign adversaries, are having the opposite effect. Strong encryption is available abroad, but because of the export limits and the confusion created by nearly four years of debate over US encryption policy, strong, easy-to-use privacy and security technologies are not widely available off the shelf or "on the net" here in the US. A recently discovered flaw in the security of the new digital telephone network exposed the worst aspects of the Administration's encryption policy. Because the designers needed to be able to export their products, the system's security was "dumbed down". Researchers subsequently discovered that it is quite easy to break the security of the system and intrude on what should be private conversations. This incident underscores the larger policy problem: US companies are at a competitive disadvantage in the global marketplace when competing against companies that do not have such hindrances. And now, for the first time in history, the Clinton Administration has DOMESTIC RESTRICTIONS on the ability of Americans to protect their privacy and security online. All of us care about our national security, and no one wants to make it any easier for criminals and terrorists to commit criminal acts. But we must also recognize encryption technologies can aid law enforcement and protect national security by limiting the threat of industrial espionage and foreign spying, promote electronic commerce and protecting privacy. What's at stake in this debate is nothing less than the future of privacy and the fate of the Internet as a secure and trusted medium for commerce, education, and political discourse. ______________________________________________________________________________ HOW TO START OR STOP RECEIVING CRYPTO-NEWS To subscribe to crypto-news, sign up from our WWW page (http://www.crypto.com) or send mail to majordomo@panix.com with "subscribe crypto-news" in the body of the message. To unsubscribe, send a letter to majordomo@panix.com with "unsubscribe crypto-news" in the body. Requests to unsubscribe that are sent to shabbir@vtw.org will be ignored. _____________________________________________________________________________ PRESS CONTACT INFORMATION Press inquiries on Crypto-News should be directed to Shabbir J. Safdar (VTW) at +1.718.596.2851 or shabbir@vtw.org Jonah Seiger (CDT) at +1.202.637.9800 or jseiger@cdt.org _____________________________________________________________________________ End crypto-news ============================================================================= -- Ken Chase mathboy@sizone.org Sonic Interzone $free$ email/news Toronto Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the DES Challenge! Wake up the US Govt! www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm NB:Only 16000 P200-months CPU req'd to recover 56-bit IBM alliance keys! ** U.S. EXPORT LAWS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOUR COUNTRY: DEVELOP YOUR NATIONS' OWN CRYPTO-EXPORT INDUSTRY! USE 2048bit KEYS FREELY! FLAUNT YOUR SOVEREIGNTY! ** From owner-deschall-announce Sun Jun 1 15:55:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00855 for deschall-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00850 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pinotnoir.media.mit.edu(18.85.16.104) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000848; Sun, 1 Jun 97 15:55:47 -0400 Received: (from nelson@localhost) by pinotnoir.media.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA01036; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:04:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:04:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199706012004.QAA01036@pinotnoir.media.mit.edu> From: nelson@media.mit.edu (Nelson Minar) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: SolNET recovers Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I'm glad to say that SolNET has recovered to their earlier speed of roughly 2000 Mkeys/sec. 8 days ago they had a client bug which forced them to break all the clients in distribution. I'm impressed that it only took a week for them to get everyone upgraded to the new client. SolNET is currently operating at 2160 Mkeys/sec. We (deschall) are operating at 4230 Mkeys/sec. A week ago, the same day that SolNET had their blip we were at 3610Mkeys/sec. So a rough estimate of the cost of SolNET's blip is a 17% increase in processor power. From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 09:15:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04061 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04056 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706021315.JAA04056@gatekeeper.megasoft.com> Received: from osurf400.rf.ohio-state.edu(128.146.183.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004053; Mon, 2 Jun 97 09:15:41 -0400 Received: from OSURF400.RF.OHIO-STATE.EDU (IBM OS/400 SMTP V3R2M0) with TCP; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:23:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:23:46 -0400 From: rksmith@OSURF400.RF.OHIO-STATE.EDU To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Question: Problem with OS/2 Client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk TO: DESCHALL GATEKEEP Global Directory Entry to Connect to the Internet FROM: SMITHRK OSURF Ronald K. Smith DATE: June 2, 1997 TIME: 09:23:01 AM EDT SUBJECT: Question: Problem with OS/2 Client Last Thursday I posted a note to the OS/2 ISP Mailing List about our effort since there was a posting for the Sollen group. I have received several reports of problems. Since I am not sure who to let know I am posting this here. At the bottom of this note I am including all of the posts. Some of the people are getting trap errors. Any help for them would be appricated. TIA Ron Smith Ronald K. Smith The Ohio State University Research Foundation smithrk?osurf@osurf400.rf.ohio-state.edu Tel 614/292-3499 FAX 614/292-6870 **************** my note**** TO: OS2-ISP STAT.COM Global Directory Entry to Connect to the Internet FROM: SMITHRK OSURF Ronald K. Smith DATE: May 29, 1997 TIME: 01:38:41 PM EDT SUBJECT: Re: DES Challenge For those in North America also look at: http://www.frii.com/rcv/deschall.htm OS/2 is in tenth place and could move up to 6th with a little help. I have had 3 OS/2 machines on it 7/24 for the last couple of months. I can't tell that it is running, it has so little impact. Take a look at both groups. Ron Smith Ronald K. Smith The Ohio State University Research Foundation smithrk?osurf@osurf400.rf.ohio-state.edu Tel 614/292-3499 FAX 614/292-6870 ***************************************************************** Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:48:33 -0700 Sender: os2-isp-owner Reply-To: os2-isp@stat.com From: "Oliver Wilcock" To: "os2-isp@stat.com" Subject: DES Challenge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is not directly on topic. The subject is more like OS/2 Advocacy but I thought that OS/2 ISPs, like myself, would be interested in participating since: 1. They are probably OS/2 fans 2. They have internet access 3. They have machines which are on all the time and probably have a few spare CPU cycles. Some RSA encryption people have a contest to break a 56 bit code. One of the groups involved is using a brute force technique. Go to http://www.des.sollentuna.se/ to learn more about it. My interest in helping is based on the fact that some of the STATS they publish rank the platforms used in breaking the key. The OS/2 client became available this month, well after the others, and has already made it to 9th place. It has the potential to get to 5th place at the current rate. It is also interesting to note that in the benchmarks the OS/2 client does slightly better that the Linux and Win32 clients on equivalent hardware. The client can be configured to run at any priority. The most useful being idle priority which has little impact on the system. http://www.des.sollentuna.se/ Hint: they use frames. If you are like me and have problems finding the links, then look in the frame on the left hand side. Stats, Download, etc. Oliver ***************************** Four replies to my post Note 1 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:19:05 -0700 Sender: os2-isp-owner Reply-To: os2-isp@stat.com From: trogboy@dxnet.com To: os2-isp@stat.com Subject: Re: DES Challenge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sir: re: DES Challenge. Mr. Ron Smith wrote, in part: "For those in North America also look at: http://www.frii.com/rcv/deschall.htm" Incidentally, the tilde was mistakenly omitted in the above URL; it should be: http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm I tried the OS/2 client on an Intel 486 with 32 RAM running OS/2 v3 (no fixpacks) and after the first keyblock, the machine trapped. Anyone else? Or better, any solutions? Since this is really getting off the list-topic, feel free to e-mail replies direclty. Sincerely, Mel Lew trogboy@dxnet.com friday 30 Los Angeles, CA San Francisco, CA 97 8A 4D 4C EB 94 9F 74 07 40 CB CF BD 57 78 34 *********** Note 2 ** Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:30:50 -0700 Sender: os2-isp-owner Reply-To: os2-isp@stat.com From: "Scott Hellewell" To: "os2-isp@stat.com" Subject: Re: DES Challenge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 30 May 1997 18:19:05 -0700, trogboy@dxnet.com wrote: >Sir: > >re: >DES Challenge. > >Mr. Ron Smith wrote, in part: >"For those in North America also look at: >http://www.frii.com/rcv/deschall.htm" > > >Incidentally, the tilde was mistakenly omitted in the above >URL; it should be: > >http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > > >I tried the OS/2 client on an Intel 486 with 32 RAM running >OS/2 v3 (no fixpacks) and after the first keyblock, the >machine trapped. Anyone else? Or better, any solutions? I had the same problem. I would set it going in the background, and then a few minutes later, my system would lock harder than ever. Stop running it, and the locks go away. > >Since this is really getting off the list-topic, feel free to >e-mail replies direclty. > > >Sincerely, > > >Mel Lew >trogboy@dxnet.com > >friday 30 > >Los Angeles, CA >San Francisco, CA > >97 8A 4D 4C EB 94 9F 74 07 40 CB CF BD 57 78 34 > *************** Note 3 *** Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 08:16:07 -0700 Sender: os2-isp-owner Reply-To: os2-isp@stat.com From: "Jim Whitelaw" To: "os2-isp@stat.com" Subject: Re: DES Challenge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 31 May 1997 00:51:45 -0700, Jay Boucher wrote: > >I too have had problems with DesChal, but not within minutes. > >1. No problems on Warp Connect (DesChal4 AMD486-120 32 meg) >2. With Merlin and peer, attempting heavy access to a shared drive crashes the client machine, and renders > peer useless on the server (net stop peer, net start peer fixes it) . (DesChal4 AMD486-80 16 meg) >3. With Merlin and Stack40, hourly crashes. (DesChal4 AMD486-120 32 meg) >4. With Merlin and Stack40, daily crashes (DesChal4 P100, 16 meg) >5. A co-worker w/ Merlin w/o Stack40 has no problems (DesChal5 Cyrix 166+ 32 meg ) Well, I've been runnning deschal4 on a system at home for a couple weeks without any lockups. System is Warp 3 Connect, AMD 486DX2-80, 32MB. Running TCP/IP, Peer, etc. I have seen deschal4 just stop processing a couple times, but I killed it and restarted it, and it was fine. Other than that, it just sits there and chugs away pretty much unnoticed: Here's some stats: Current run started 05/28/97 23:28:46 CPU time (hrs:min:sec): 48:32:40 Keys checked: 25,375,539,200 Seconds used: 200,609 Average keys/second: 126,492 Totals since 15.05.97 Total keys checked: 91,855,257,600 Total seconds used: 722,387 Average keys/second: 127,155 Jim Whitelaw jim@oanet.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5BOuwQrHH6TfCxFAQFC/QQAnJBLQqo0mN8ztxvNVL+trLE8FgmnTOgw pmWLnsTUJFbh9bmquBUXONHY9Gnh5tXklDFclLubH20gBDMjb43oOwI6TjTIh2vG CKLaOuIyJRJsoU0/8RS6o6JDEtNIDYpYVpXGJCdATwF9ky2a6DOcKLN5/Im6CZvH IAu5NUjkH/Q= =2Rel -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ********************* Note 4 ****** Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 00:51:45 -0700 Sender: os2-isp-owner Reply-To: os2-isp@stat.com From: "Jay Boucher" To: "os2-isp@stat.com" Subject: Re: DES Challenge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 30 May 1997 20:30:50 -0700, Scott Hellewell wrote: >>DES Challenge. >>I tried the OS/2 client on an Intel 486 with 32 RAM running >>OS/2 v3 (no fixpacks) and after the first keyblock, the >>machine trapped. Anyone else? Or better, any solutions? >I had the same problem. I would set it going in the >background, and then a few minutes later, my >system would lock harder than ever. Stop running it, >and the locks go away. I too have had problems with DesChal, but not within minutes. 1. No problems on Warp Connect (DesChal4 AMD486-120 32 meg) 2. With Merlin and peer, attempting heavy access to a shared drive crashes the client machine, and renders peer useless on the server (net stop peer, net start peer fixes it) . (DesChal4 AMD486-80 16 meg) 3. With Merlin and Stack40, hourly crashes. (DesChal4 AMD486-120 32 meg) 4. With Merlin and Stack40, daily crashes (DesChal4 P100, 16 meg) 5. A co-worker w/ Merlin w/o Stack40 has no problems (DesChal5 Cyrix 166+ 32 meg ) (yes, I need more ram) Crashes included Traps 7, c, d, e, and f. Often in in IFNET. When I first started running DesChal, I had just installed stack40, InetMail, upgraded PowerWeb, upgraded PMMail, and DualStor (I will never spend an afternoon "catching up" again ) so I wasn't sure of the culprit. Logically, DesChal seemed the least likely. Since then, I backed out everything one at a time (DesChal last), and reinstalled everything one at a time. Without DesChal, I haven't rebooted any machine in a month now. Whether or not the above scenarios are relevent, I don't know. ie, I am not suggesting that stack40 is a probem, I'm just telling you my results on my configuration. I'm not much interested in experimenting anymore. Maybe someone can find another common denominator here. Could it be DesChal3 and DesChal5 are fine, but DesChal4 is buggy? Seems unlikely, but I don't know what he does to optimize for a 386, 486, or Pentium class machines. Another long shot suggested to me is that since I seldom sustain 100% cpu usage without DesChal, it may be a heat problem. All my systems have heat sink compound, heat sinks, and all the fans are spinning. Jay Boucher From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 10:27:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05016 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05011 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nemesis.uark.edu(130.184.221.8) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005008; Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:26:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (scott@localhost) by gibx.uark.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04821 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:35:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:35:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Fendley To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Network down? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I take it that the key server is down right now. My load averages all are showing much less then 100% and a tracerouote is showing that we are able to see pm-ftc-a.frii.com (a gateway of sorts I guess) but no key server. Did the address change or what? Anyone want to check out the server? (Please don't ping flood the server or anything else like that. We don't want Rocke to get mad about that.) Scott Fendley University of Arkansas Department of Computer Science From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 10:28:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05037 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05032 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netserv.com(198.37.128.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005025; Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:28:17 -0400 Received: from [198.37.128.120] (smh-ppc.netserv.com [198.37.128.120]) by netserv.com (8.8.5/smh-1.1) with ESMTP id HAA15437 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706021315.JAA04056@gatekeeper.megasoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:37:34 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Scott M. Hinnrichs" Subject: Just me, or is the keyserver down? Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk All night I have seen the clients get slow response when getting a new block, but for the last half hour the clients are not getting through at all. I am not noticing any other connectivity problems. Scott From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 10:57:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05380 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05375 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02a05.cac.psu.edu(146.186.15.15) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005373; Mon, 2 Jun 97 10:57:41 -0400 Received: from tincan (nb3slip11.cac.psu.edu [146.186.17.11]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA37634 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:06:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199706021506.LAA37634@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> From: "Rodney R. Korte" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 11:05:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Rodney R. Korte" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Question: Problem with OS/2 Client Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:23:46 -0400, rksmith@OSURF400.RF.OHIO-STATE.EDU wrote: >Last Thursday I posted a note to the OS/2 ISP Mailing List about our >effort since there was a posting for the Sollen group. I have received >several reports of problems. Since I am not sure who to let know I am >posting this here. At the bottom of this note I am including all of the >posts. Some of the people are getting trap errors. Any help for them >would be appricated. FWIW, I've run DESCHAL4 on a 486/25 w/Warp Connect (no fixpacks applied, but Warp Connect has #5 in it), and two 486/66 with Warp Connect + FP17. They've been running for over a month (maybe 2?). I have also been running DESCHAL5 on: a Red Warp machine (with FP 5 or FP17, can't remember), Warp 4 GA, and Warp 4 + FP1 (neither with IP fixes). No problems whatsoever. I believe it is some very strange software problem (maybe an NIC driver problem?)- I just don't see how it could be DESCHAL. But who knows? Rod -- Rodney R. Korte OS/2. Operate at a higher level. korte@sabine.acs.psu.edu ---> MIME, PGP (finger for key) welcome. http://sharkbait.arl.psu.edu/ Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 11:15:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05625 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05618 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srv.apsydev.com(194.3.103.34) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005593; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:14:49 -0400 Received: by srv.apsydev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:23:15 +0100 Message-ID: <71CEE820FE7FD011929000A0C90789FC039DE6@srv.apsydev.com> From: Joel ARMENGAUD To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: RE: Network down? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:23:12 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I think an internet link is down. Here is the end of the traceroute command from my workstation: 11 291 ms 220 ms 291 ms sl-kc-1-H3/0-T3.SPRINTLINK.NET [144.228.10.74] 12 280 ms 220 ms 281 ms sl-che-2-H2/0-T3.SPRINTLINK.NET [144.228.10.82] 13 * 320 ms 431 ms sl-che-3-F0/0.SPRINTLINK.NET [144.224.10.3] 14 510 ms 441 ms 521 ms sl-cica-2-H0-T3.SPRINTLINK.NET [144.224.13.6] 15 * 511 ms 480 ms gw23.boulder.co.COOP.NET [199.45.132.131] 16 * 501 ms * 199.45.130.182 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Fendley [SMTP:scott@nemesis.uark.edu] > Sent: lundi, 2. juin 1997 15:36 > To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com > Subject: Network down? > > I take it that the key server is down right now. My load averages all > are > showing much less then 100% and a tracerouote is showing that we are > able > to see pm-ftc-a.frii.com (a gateway of sorts I guess) but no key > server. > Did the address change or what? > > Anyone want to check out the server? (Please don't ping flood the > server > or anything else like that. We don't want Rocke to get mad about > that.) > > Scott Fendley > University of Arkansas > Department of Computer Science > From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 11:14:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05590 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05585 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005582; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:14:12 -0400 Received: from cortez.sss.rpi.edu (hallm4@cortez.sss.rpi.edu [128.113.113.33]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA131598 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:23:01 -0400 Received: (hallm4@localhost) by cortez.sss.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) id LAA80920; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:23:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Leareth X-Sender: hallm4@cortez.sss.rpi.edu cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > All night I have seen the clients get slow response when getting a new > block, but for the last half hour the clients are not getting through at > all. I am not noticing any other connectivity problems. ~ (2) traceroute keymaster.verser.frii.com traceroute to doc.verser.frii.com (206.168.13.85), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 vccfr4-113.its.rpi.edu (128.113.113.254) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 ny-alb-2-H2/0-T3.nysernet.net (169.130.22.5) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 3 ny-alb-1-F0/0.nysernet.net (169.130.20.1) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 4 ny-nyc-2-H4/0-T3.nysernet.net (169.130.1.13) 7 ms 7 ms 8 ms 5 ny-dc-1-H3/0-T3.nysernet.net (169.130.16.6) 12 ms 14 ms 13 ms 6 sl-dc-1-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.20.1) 13 ms 13 ms 17 ms 7 sl-kc-1-H3/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.74) 43 ms 46 ms 45 ms 8 sl-che-2-H2/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.82) 56 ms 57 ms 56 ms 9 sl-che-3-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.224.10.3) 54 ms 58 ms 56 ms 10 sl-cica-2-H0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.224.13.6) 60 ms 61 ms 59 ms 11 gw23.boulder.co.coop.net (199.45.132.131) 60 ms 66 ms 61 ms 12 199.45.130.182 (199.45.130.182) 68 ms 70 ms 69 ms 13 pm-ftc-a.frii.com (204.144.244.133) 67 ms 67 ms 69 ms 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * doh! we're losing some serious crunching time here.... From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 12:00:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06045 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06032 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.tssc.com(208.133.49.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006025; Mon, 2 Jun 97 12:00:38 -0400 Received: from TSSMTA1 by ns.tssc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12620; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:02:28 -0500 Received: by tssmta1.memphis.tssc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 862564AA.00530E99 ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:07:12 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SERVSUP From: "Samuel Adams" To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Message-Id: <862564AA.005783FD.00@tssmta1.memphis.tssc.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:12:47 -0500 Subject: anyone else having problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Samuel Adams 06/02/97 11:12 AM I am not getting a responce from the server, since about 3am this morning. Is anyone else noticing this problem... Wade From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 12:13:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06259 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06245 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s-98-196.resnet.ohio-state.edu(140.254.98.196) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006236; Mon, 2 Jun 97 12:13:20 -0400 Received: by s-98-196.resnet.ohio-state.edu from localhost (127.0.0.1::mail daemon,SLmail95 V2.4); Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:21:17 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970602122112.007d15b0@cis.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: hornsby@cis.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:21:12 -0400 To: Leareth From: Rick Hornsby Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I noticed the same problem, basically the same routing table failures that y'all are getting. I've put my 486/win95 client on PAUSE (via DESGUI, not sure exactly how this 'pause' works, if its like a SIGSTOP in unix) and I'll resume it when I get back from class later, that way its not pounding the server with "me! me! me!" ;) To tell y'all the truth, as many things as could go wrong with the internet, its quite amazing that more don't. *knock on wood* cause about the time I say that, 80% of MCI's T3's go AWOL ;) Rick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBM5Ly69wN5z5H8eS5AQE79gIAlZOVefcic0C7W9eA41/vgSZoDjAIuXhS KWnm/wgkCv+iiCEw4x+H+FsXCDhYJCNRGaJod9esGe7HAr1eqxg53w== =oZzn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Hornsby, The Ohio State University. Public key availible at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~hornsby/who/pgp-key.asc.txt From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 12:15:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06302 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06297 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net(165.87.194.229) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006295; Mon, 2 Jun 97 12:15:13 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (slip166-72-89-80.nc.us.ibm.net [166.72.89.80]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA67278 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:30:17 GMT Message-Id: <199706021630.QAA67278@out2.ibm.net> From: mwf@ibm.net (Milton Forte II) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 12:21:53 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk In , on 06/02/97 at 11:22 AM, Leareth said: >16 * * * >doh! we're losing some serious crunching time here.... Well...it's 12:23pm (ET) and the server is still down. How long has the server when down? -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! 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I have received several >reports of problems. Since I am not sure who to let know I am posting this >here. At the bottom of this note I am including all of the posts. Some of >the people are getting trap errors. Any help for them would be appricated. I have been running DESCHAL4.EXE on IBM/Cyrix P166+ w/ 64mb, OS/2 v4, w/ fixpack 1 for months with no problems. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! 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Yes...and you did answer my question about how long the server's been down. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! 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X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.27c Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just a reminder...don't stop that client!! It will send that keyblock once the server is back. -- Milton mwf@ibm.net OS/2 Warp V4 - Where I Want To Be Today! 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Hinnrichs" Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk SPRINT did an AS switch last night, caused one of my clients to have similar problems when I tried to switch to the new AS. After backing up to the old AS things worked fine again. Don't know if it is related, but what the heck, it might be. If someone has Rockes number they might give him a call... I am going to sleep now :) Scott PS: here is short info on the AS switch: >We will be making a BGP4 Topology change on our anaheim hub on Sunday >night at midnight (the morning of 6/2/97). WE will be chanign our hub AS >over from 1795 to 1239. Unless you have specific route-maps, etc. that are >dependant upon our existing hub AS, it should require no more confiuration >changes than changing the statement > >neighbor XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX remote-as 1795 > >.. >.. > > >to > >neighbor XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX remote-as 1239 > >and then filling in the rest of the session as your existing one is. If >you have any questions, you can call our NOC at 1-800-232-3458, as this is >a personal mail, and I cannot respond in as timely a fashion as I would >like if you were to respond here. At 8:22 AM -0700 6/2/97, Leareth wrote: >> All night I have seen the clients get slow response when getting a new >> block, but for the last half hour the clients are not getting through at >> all. I am not noticing any other connectivity problems. > > >~ (2) traceroute keymaster.verser.frii.com >traceroute to doc.verser.frii.com (206.168.13.85), 30 hops max, 40 byte >packets > 1 vccfr4-113.its.rpi.edu (128.113.113.254) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms > 2 ny-alb-2-H2/0-T3.nysernet.net (169.130.22.5) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms > 3 ny-alb-1-F0/0.nysernet.net (169.130.20.1) 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms > 4 ny-nyc-2-H4/0-T3.nysernet.net (169.130.1.13) 7 ms 7 ms 8 ms > 5 ny-dc-1-H3/0-T3.nysernet.net (169.130.16.6) 12 ms 14 ms 13 ms > 6 sl-dc-1-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.20.1) 13 ms 13 ms 17 ms > 7 sl-kc-1-H3/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.74) 43 ms 46 ms 45 ms > 8 sl-che-2-H2/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.82) 56 ms 57 ms 56 ms > 9 sl-che-3-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.224.10.3) 54 ms 58 ms 56 ms >10 sl-cica-2-H0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.224.13.6) 60 ms 61 ms 59 ms >11 gw23.boulder.co.coop.net (199.45.132.131) 60 ms 66 ms 61 ms >12 199.45.130.182 (199.45.130.182) 68 ms 70 ms 69 ms >13 pm-ftc-a.frii.com (204.144.244.133) 67 ms 67 ms 69 ms >14 * * * >15 * * * >16 * * * > >doh! we're losing some serious crunching time here.... From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 13:10:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06955 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06950 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netserv.com(198.37.128.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006947; Mon, 2 Jun 97 13:10:27 -0400 Received: from [198.37.128.120] (smh-ppc.netserv.com [198.37.128.120]) by netserv.com (8.8.5/smh-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA17596 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706021630.QAA67278@out2.ibm.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:19:52 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Scott M. Hinnrichs" Subject: keyserver back up :) Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Just came back up at ~10:17 PDT Scott From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 13:18:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07076 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07068 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bahamut.dragonfire.net(209.70.16.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007051; Mon, 2 Jun 97 13:17:40 -0400 Received: (from achurch@localhost) by Bahamut.dragonfire.net (8.8.5/8.7.5) id NAA25421; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:26:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199706021726.NAA25421@Bahamut.dragonfire.net> From: achurch@dragonfire.net (Andy Church) To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:26:24 EDT X-Mailer: MMail v4.61 Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >Well...it's 12:23pm (ET) and the server is still down. How long has the >server when down? Does "too long" sound about right? I think I saw someone say it was down at 3am in some time zone. I wonder if now would be a good time to ask about that "rcv-ppp" link which sits just upstream from the key server (when it's up)... --Andy Church | If Bell Atlantic really is the heart achurch@dragonfire.net | of communication, then it desperately www.dragonfire.net/~achurch/ | needs a quadruple bypass. From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 13:32:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07217 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07203 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hate.sizone.org(209.50.72.17) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007195; Mon, 2 Jun 97 13:32:00 -0400 Received: by sizone.org (Linux Smail3.1.93 #5) id m0wYaC2-000H3YC; Mon, 2 Jun 97 12:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: mathboy@sizone.org (Eating Before Swimming) Subject: keyserver downage & volonteer effort To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@semiotek.com In-Reply-To: from "Leareth" at Jun 2, 97 11:22:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk then Leareth's all.. > > > All night I have seen the clients get slow response when getting a new > > block, but for the last half hour the clients are not getting through at > > all. I am not noticing any other connectivity problems. > doh! we're losing some serious crunching time here.... Question Rocke, et al - when you have time, whoever can explain this, I am sure we're all curious... How are you working managing DESCHALL into your normal life (or do you do this for a living? ;) Into your normal server config? Who is frii? How are they related to DESCHALL? Do you drop everything and jump out of meetings to fix the keyserver (I hope not! :) or is it "when you can get to it" as an "important collective hobby" for you and people you work with? Is FRII somehow officially involved as a coporate (?) entity in the project? Just curious as to how everything is setup, and mebbe also WHY (I mean, I know WHY, but my "why" requires alot less work, despite the hours of work on my u2t log stats procesorry and managing clients/people in our uPowered.org effort) - Im wondering why all the hours of coordination, development of clients, etc. Why? For personal satisfaction, and the prize too (but for this amount of effort Im sure you could make more than $6000! :), perhaps, then, it's more "HOW?" - how do you find the time and justify the effort? Spare time, putting other massive projects aside for this? Just curious. (And wondering how much bugging you we can get away with when the keyserver is down. Assuage our guilt! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anyone else see that silly TLC "Cybersecrecy" show the other night? Pretty silly production (too "post-genX") but at least it brought up alot of the issues and might make people who know nothing of this "cryptography" thing go "Hey, mebbe *I* (or my company) should be using Cryptography!" and "Hey, my government wants to STOP me from doing this!" The best part was when they likened key escrow (clipper, the UK's efforts, etc) to "giving a copy of your housekey to the police 'just in case'" and kinda scoffing at the ludicrousness of the idea or of even presenting it to the public. That "Cyberella" woman was pretty annoying and a discredit to the program methinks - something from the frilly trendy cyberTabloid pages in Wired, I'd say, regardless of wether she can code or not. Big deal. /kc -- Ken Chase mathboy@sizone.org Sonic Interzone $free$ email/news Toronto Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the DES Challenge! Wake up the US Govt! www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm NB:Only 16000 P200-months CPU req'd to recover 56-bit IBM alliance keys! ** U.S. EXPORT LAWS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOUR COUNTRY: DEVELOP YOUR NATIONS' OWN CRYPTO-EXPORT INDUSTRY! USE 2048bit KEYS FREELY! FLAUNT YOUR SOVEREIGNTY! ** From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 13:37:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07275 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07266 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hate.sizone.org(209.50.72.17) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007259; Mon, 2 Jun 97 13:36:36 -0400 Received: by sizone.org (Linux Smail3.1.93 #5) id m0wYaGZ-000H3YC; Mon, 2 Jun 97 12:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: mathboy@sizone.org (Eating Before Swimming) Subject: list lag? To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've been noticing it takes about 1-2 hours for my mail to come back from the list... is this normal? Does that mean the list is running thru an explorder and Im just 80% the way down the list so sendmail or whatever doesnt get around to sending to me til its done all the DNS and SMTP convo's for all people above me in the list? (I think my local exploders that I run with smail do this, and with even just 20 people, it can be a diff of 10-15 min from first to last person) - but wouldnt majordomo or other listware go and start many delivery procs (like 10 or 20) to get things delivered faster? Or is it something else? Would it be a problem to speed it up a bit? Then all these "Keyserver is down!" messages wont be horribly outdated 2 hours after its going again! :) (It just came back online about 4 minutes ago to me).. /kc -- Ken Chase mathboy@sizone.org Sonic Interzone $free$ email/news Toronto Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the DES Challenge! Wake up the US Govt! www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm NB:Only 16000 P200-months CPU req'd to recover 56-bit IBM alliance keys! ** U.S. EXPORT LAWS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOUR COUNTRY: DEVELOP YOUR NATIONS' OWN CRYPTO-EXPORT INDUSTRY! USE 2048bit KEYS FREELY! FLAUNT YOUR SOVEREIGNTY! ** From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 13:43:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07347 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07339 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007334; Mon, 2 Jun 97 13:42:37 -0400 Received: from rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.135.9]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA16587; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:51:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA09119; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rc-cola.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: Andy Church cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? In-Reply-To: <199706021726.NAA25421@Bahamut.dragonfire.net> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Andy Church wrote: > Does "too long" sound about right? I think I saw someone say it was > down at 3am in some time zone. Hey, these things happen... My gateway logs show that the major outage occurred betwwen about 8:50am EST and 1:15pm EST. The gateway was receiving responses before and after that. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- There are only two secrets in the universe: 1) Don't give away all your secrets. From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 14:47:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08046 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08041 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com(204.188.34.97) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008027; Mon, 2 Jun 97 14:47:06 -0400 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:31 PDT Received: from damien.lbcc.cc.or.us(really [204.214.120.193]) by stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3 built 1996-Oct-12) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970602113545.00884820@stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us> X-Sender: sugalsd@stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:35:45 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Dan Sugalski Subject: Re: Just me, or is the keyserver down? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 09:43 AM 6/2/97 -0700, Scott M. Hinnrichs wrote: >SPRINT did an AS switch last night, caused one of my clients to have >similar problems when I tried to switch to the new AS. After backing up to >the old AS things worked fine again. Don't know if it is related, but what >the heck, it might be. > >If someone has Rockes number they might give him a call... I am going to >sleep now :) I don't think this needs to be done anymore. My client started back up again. Probably just took a while for the Sprint AS changes to get installed/propagated. Dan ----------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- Dan Sugalski (541) 917-4364 even samurai Programmer/SysAdmin have teddy bears Linn-Benton Community College and even the teddy bears sugalsd@stargate.lbcc.cc.or.us get drunk From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 15:31:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08464 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08456 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca(129.128.4.44) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008451; Mon, 2 Jun 97 15:31:21 -0400 Received: from sawnlk.cs.ualberta.ca by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13114-17584>; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:39:57 -0600 Subject: Backup server? From: Howard Cheng To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Organization: University of Alberta X-URL: http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Jun2.133957-0600_mdt.13114-17584+129@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Would it be beneficial to set up a new key server? Not that the old one is overloaded, but if we get half of our clients to run on each, then half of us will still be cracking keys if one of them is down (network, server down, whatever). Of course, this second server must be connected to the Internet using a different route, or it would be pointless. Maybe this also means that the server would have to be located at a different place physically. Howard -- Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca University of Alberta hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca MSc Computing Science URL : http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ When in doubt, it must be trivial. From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 16:41:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09103 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09095 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: tmccabe@worldnet.att.net Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net(204.127.131.33) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009092; Mon, 2 Jun 97 16:41:04 -0400 Received: from chaotic ([207.116.55.27]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA22769 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:49:52 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970602164947.006c3484@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: tmccabe@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 16:49:47 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: NT Laptop Speed, powerdown features Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I just recently got the software, and have been running it on my p120 desktop (win95) as often as i can. I also am able to use a p120 NT laptop, but for some reason, i am getting around 240,000 keys per sec on the laptop, and close to 580,000 keys/sec on the desktop. If anyone has any hints as to speeding thing up on the laptop, please drop me a mail. Toshiba Satellite pro 420CDT - WinNT 3.51 The laptop also has a wonderful feature that makes the thing shut down after a while - when i am not home, it shuts down, and stops crunching keys. If anyone knows how to stop this, i would really appreciate it. time to see if i can grab a p180 for the week :) thanx --Andrew From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 16:59:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09429 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09421 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009380; Mon, 2 Jun 97 16:59:07 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id RAA13022; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013019; Mon, 2 Jun 97 17:13:23 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29298; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706022104.RAA29298@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: mathboy@sizone.org (Eating Before Swimming) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: list lag? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "kc" == Eating Before Swimming writes: kc> Or is it something else? Would it be a problem to speed it up a kc> bit? Then all these "Keyserver is down!" messages wont be kc> horribly outdated 2 hours after its going again! :) (It just came kc> back online about 4 minutes ago to me).. Delays in your email are due to your ISP's DNS servers are functioning, uh, suboptimally. Jun 2 13:45:20 gatekeeper sendmail[7349]: NAA07347: to=mathboy@sizone.org, delay=00:02:13, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=smtp, relay=sizone.org., stat=Deferred: Name server: sizone.org.: host name lookup failure -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 17:40:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10023 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10016 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gabber.c2.net(208.139.36.80) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010011; Mon, 2 Jun 97 17:40:06 -0400 Received: from huzzah.c2.net (huzzah.c2.net [208.139.36.87]) by gabber.c2.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA11118; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970602144839.008017d0@gabber.c2.net> X-Sender: marc@gabber.c2.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 b4 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:48:39 -0700 To: Justin Dolske From: Marc Briceno Subject: Re: DES gui v1.3 beta Bug? Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: References: <199705310304.XAA04432@esinet1.esinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 12:58 AM 5/31/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 30 May 1997, Arvin Meyer wrote: > >> I decided that I didn't need to keep a log, mainly because I wasn't >> particularly thrilled with it writing to my drive every few seconds. I have >> a Pentium 200 with 64 Mb so my HD will often go to sleep for 10 minutes at >> a time (nice power management). > >I would guess that the client appears to slow down because you've got >power management stuff running -- it notices noone is using any >periphials, and so it powers down the drive and slows down the CPU. I am running DESGUI on my ThinkPad at home. The BIOS features CPU power management. Apparently the software is not smart enough to realize that the CPU is taxed at 100% and reduces the cycle rate when user input is lacking for a certain amount of time. You definitely want to disable CPU power management. -- Marc Briceno Voice: 510-986-8770 SafePassage Sales Manager FAX: 510-986-8777 http://www.c2.net/ From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 19:03:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10626 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10621 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esinet1.esinet.net(208.197.151.2) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010619; Mon, 2 Jun 97 19:03:18 -0400 Received: from arvin-95 (dialin15.esinet.net [208.197.151.64]) by esinet1.esinet.net (8.8.5/ESI-8.8.X-A) with ESMTP id TAA09850 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706022312.TAA09850@esinet1.esinet.net> From: "Arvin Meyer" To: Subject: Re: list lag? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:12:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > From: C Matthew Curtin > Delays in your email are due to your ISP's DNS servers are > functioning, uh, suboptimally. Not necessarily correct. It takes approximately an hour or two for my messages to be posted. Yet I can send myself mail through and internet forwarding account, and have it back in 4 to 15 minutes depending on traffic and time of day. I don't know how Unix DNS servers work, but on NT a DNS file is cached after the first mail to that address. Arvin Meyer On-Site Solutions "Developing results-oriented databases for companies that demand a tangible return on investment." e-mail: onsite@esinet.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 19:28:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10819 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10814 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hate.sizone.org(209.50.72.17) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010812; Mon, 2 Jun 97 19:28:17 -0400 Received: by sizone.org (Linux Smail3.1.93 #5) id m0wYfkz-000H3YC; Mon, 2 Jun 97 18:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: mathboy@sizone.org (Eating Before Swimming) Subject: hello, whereFore Apple.COM To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:39:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Did the word come down from the top that this isnt a good thing? Mebbe me blind but I cant see them in the stats for yesterday... Sun.COM will be the ONLY thing standing in uPowered's non.EDU way!! BWAHAHA-HA..(crunch!) /kc -- Ken Chase mathboy@sizone.org Sonic Interzone $free$ email/news Toronto Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the DES Challenge! Wake up the US Govt! www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm NB:Only 16000 P200-months CPU req'd to recover 56-bit IBM alliance keys! ** U.S. EXPORT LAWS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOUR COUNTRY: DEVELOP YOUR NATIONS' OWN CRYPTO-EXPORT INDUSTRY! USE 2048bit KEYS FREELY! FLAUNT YOUR SOVEREIGNTY! ** From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 20:37:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11059 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11054 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from raven.cybercomm.net(199.171.196.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011052; Mon, 2 Jun 97 20:37:20 -0400 Received: from nujrzy.cybercomm.net (mustafa@sl-032.sl.cybercomm.net [199.171.196.128]) by raven.cybercomm.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21517 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:45:37 -0400 From: Dewey Paciaffi Received: (from dewey@localhost) by nujrzy.cybercomm.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA00491 for deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:21:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199706022021.QAA00491@nujrzy.cybercomm.net> Subject: sun.com To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:21:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've noticed that only one machine is running deschall at sun.com. Anybody know what that one machine is? -- Dewey Paciaffi dewey@cybercomm.net From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 20:52:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11120 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11115 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu(164.107.8.55) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011113; Mon, 2 Jun 97 20:52:16 -0400 Received: from cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.138.5]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA02401; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:01:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (dolske@localhost) by cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with SMTP id VAA12298; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:01:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cuba.cis.ohio-state.edu: dolske owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Dolske To: Dewey Paciaffi cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: sun.com In-Reply-To: <199706022021.QAA00491@nujrzy.cybercomm.net> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Dewey Paciaffi wrote: > I've noticed that only one machine is running deschall at > sun.com. Anybody know what that one machine is? Domains that report via a gateway only get listed at 1 machine. Justin Dolske (dolske@cis.ohio-state.edu) Graduate Fellow / Research Associate at The Ohio State University, CIS Dept. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Random Sig-o-Matic (tm) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 21:14:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11220 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11215 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org(205.133.171.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011213; Mon, 2 Jun 97 21:13:49 -0400 Received: from peach (ppp-198-2.bgsu.edu) by woody.wcnet.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14187; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:22:33 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970602212154.00ad1c30@woody.wcnet.org> X-Sender: zawodny@woody.wcnet.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 21:21:54 -0400 To: Dewey Paciaffi , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Jeremy D. Zawodny" Subject: Re: sun.com In-Reply-To: <199706022021.QAA00491@nujrzy.cybercomm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 04:21 PM 6/2/97 -0400, Dewey Paciaffi wrote: > I've noticed that only one machine is running deschall at > sun.com. Anybody know what that one machine is? That one machine is the gateway which allows Sun's internal network to participate in the cracking effort. Jeremy --- Jeremy D. Zawodny WCNet Technical Geek & Web Stuff "You are what you think." From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 21:55:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11709 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11701 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.sun.com(192.9.25.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011695; Mon, 2 Jun 97 21:55:11 -0400 Received: from West.Sun.COM ([129.153.100.30]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id TAA16319 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:22:03 -0700 Received: from marvin.west.sun.com by West.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id TAA23262; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:15 -0700 Received: from jcf.West.Sun.COM by marvin.west.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19242; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:56 -0700 Received: from jcf by jcf.West.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19626; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Falkenthal Reply-To: John Falkenthal Subject: Re: sun.com To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: OSUUSiW39l1h4TAwOfuGuQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2_22 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk We were tempted to say our "1" machine is a Starfire (aka Ultra Enterprise 10000)... :-) Mostly just idle Ultra-1 desktops from a single location (San Diego)... This is not a coordinated effort within Sun ("renegade" is a termed coined by one member of this mailing list). If this was a coordinated effort within Sun, the contest would have been over already (yes, that was a cheap shot at one of our competitors who has a serious private effort to win this contest but hasn't found the key yet). I began my involvement simply because I didn't like the minimal SPARC/Solaris contribution being made to DESCHALL. (can you tell I, personally, don't want to see this thing cracked on an x86 running Bloatware 95 ??). I am not "preaching" DESCHALL within the organization, but word is slowly getting around, so I look for our numbers to grow. We'll also get a nice mid-life kicker when Darrell releases his 32bitslice client for UltraSPARC. JF p.s. (I hate this, but...) std. disclaimer about me not speaking for Sun, blah blah blah, should be applied. From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 22:00:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11770 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11762 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.research.megasoft.com(206.230.35.93) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011758; Mon, 2 Jun 97 22:00:17 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.research.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-cmcurtin) id WAA16195; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goffette.research.megasoft.com(192.168.1.2) by gw.research.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016191; Mon, 2 Jun 97 22:15:38 -0400 Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by goffette.research.megasoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00826; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706030206.WAA00826@goffette.research.megasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: C Matthew Curtin To: "Arvin Meyer" Cc: Subject: Re: list lag? In-Reply-To: <199706022312.TAA09850@esinet1.esinet.net> References: <199706022312.TAA09850@esinet1.esinet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid X-Face: "&>g(&eGr?u^F:nFihL%BsyS1[tCqG7}I2rGk4{aKJ5I_5A\*6RYn4"N.`1pPF9LO!Fa<(gj:12)?=uP2l01e10Gij"7j&-)torL^iBrNf\s7PDLm=rf[PjxtSbZ{J(@@j"q2/iV9^Mx>>>> "Arvin" == Arvin Meyer writes: cmcurtin> Delays in your email are due to your ISP's DNS servers are cmcurtin> functioning, uh, suboptimally. Arvin> Not necessarily correct. No, that is precisely the problem. Perhaps you didn't discern that the text following my observation was a log entry noting that a DNS timeout occurred during the hostname lookup. Trust me, I know DNS. Arvin> It takes approximately an hour or two Arvin> for my messages to be posted. Jun 2 19:46:00 gatekeeper sendmail[10629]: TAA10626: to=onsite@esinet.net, delay=00:42:31, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=smtp, relay=mail.uu.net., stat=Deferred: Name server: mail.uu.net.: host name lookup failure Gee, what do you know... Arvin> Yet I can send myself mail Arvin> through and internet forwarding account, and have it back in 4 Arvin> to 15 minutes depending on traffic and time of day. Right. This is how it _usually_ works, but in some cases, when it's time to refresh the DNS, gatekeeper tries to do the lookup and isn't able. Then the mail is deferred, and it retries about 15 minutes later. Jun 2 20:23:24 gatekeeper sendmail[10821]: TAA10819: to=onsite@esinet.net, delay=00:54:54, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=smtp, relay=esinet1.esinet.net. [208.197.151.2], stat=Sent (UAA12351 Message accepted for delivery) Arvin> I don't Arvin> know how Unix DNS servers work, but on NT a DNS file is cached Arvin> after the first mail to that address. I know precisely how DNS works. Whether it's on NT or Unix (or OS/2, or MacOS) doesn't matter. (Except, perhaps, if you're considering such things as stability...) Don't take this as a flame, but I just want to make the point here... transient errors occur. Sometimes DNS lookups fail, when things _look_ like they should be OK. Problems with routing, overused network exchange points, high packet loss between sites, etc., etc., etc., all contribute to this. The Internet, generally speaking, isn't terribly healthy. Such is life on a network that has experienced exponential growth in terms of connected hosts, users, and traffic over a period of YEARS. Then combine the efforts of self-serving fools like the morons that spam the 'net with their "bulk email services" and similar such things, and you can quickly see how timeouts in lookups and delays in email delivery can occur. I'll spare everyone a longwinded lecture on the relative fragility of the Internet, its importance as a shared, finite resource, and the responsibility of each netizen to ensure that it isn't abused. But, just be aware that you're being spared one. :-) -- Matt Curtin Chief Scientist Megasoft Online cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/ I speak only for myself Death to small keys. Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 22:19:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11988 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11860 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ricochet.net(204.179.107.3) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011856; Mon, 2 Jun 97 22:18:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c204500-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.1.67.221]) by rgate.metricom.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10240; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706030225.TAA10240@rgate.metricom.com> Subject: Re: hello, whereFore [art thou] Apple.COM Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 19:25:12 -0700 x-sender: zarzycki@pop.ricochet.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Dave Zarzycki To: "Eating Before Swimming" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >Did the word come down from the top that this isnt a good thing? Mebbe >me blind but I cant see them in the stats for yesterday... > >Sun.COM will be the ONLY thing standing in uPowered's non.EDU way!! >BWAHAHA-HA..(crunch!) Most of the crunching power comes from my section here at Apple. Unfortunately our building experienced a power outage over the weekend. Besides, I prefer to have a life and not baby machines to make sure they are up. Don't get you hopes up to high... Wait a few days for our statistics to level out again. Remember this is a spare time activity... Don't make me look for machines. ;-) Dave P.S. Claris is owned by Apple. Try adding our numbers together. When you're done, add the 17.* machines too. Apple owns them too. ------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Zarzycki Student Workgroup Server QA Tester Irvington High School Apple Computer, Inc. dazarzycki@irvington.org zarzycki@apple.com From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 22:59:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA12146 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA12141 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eliot213.wuh.wustl.edu(128.252.105.213) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012139; Mon, 2 Jun 97 22:58:57 -0400 Received: from eliot213.wuh.wustl.edu (ejeffrey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eliot213.wuh.wustl.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16220 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:07:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199706030307.WAA16220@eliot213.wuh.wustl.edu> Reply-To: erjeffre@artsci.wustl.edu To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: sun.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Jun 1997 16:21:20 EDT." <199706022021.QAA00491@nujrzy.cybercomm.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 22:07:45 -0500 From: Evan Jeffrey Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I've noticed that only one machine is running deschall at > sun.com. Anybody know what that one machine is? A firewall, perhaps? === Evan Jeffrey erjeffre@artsci.wustl.edu Let us go. Let us leave this festering hell hole. Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. --Dirk Gently From owner-deschall-announce Mon Jun 2 23:39:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12280 for deschall-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12275 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from groucho.cablelan.net(24.64.12.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012273; Mon, 2 Jun 97 23:38:46 -0400 Received: from otv55.cablelan.net (24.64.12.128) by groucho.cablelan.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 1.2.2) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Dean Mills" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 20:47:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Dean Mills" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sun.com Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT), John Falkenthal wrote: >I began my involvement simply because I didn't like the minimal SPARC/Solaris >contribution being made to DESCHALL. (can you tell I, personally, don't want >to see this thing cracked on an x86 running Bloatware 95 ??). Would you settle for an x86 NOT running the BloatWare 95 Shell? :) And someone said there wasn't a DOS client, Hah!! Regards, Dean Mills, DevBahn Archiver/Founder. /* ------------------------------------------------------------- */ /* DevBahn - OS/2 Programming Sanctuary */ /* devbahn@geocities.com */ /* http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/8867/ */ /* ------------------------------------------------------------- */ /* DevBahn - OS/2 Game Programming Sanctuary */ /* devbahn-games@geocities.com */ /* http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/8678/ */ /* ------------------------------------------------------------- */ From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 04:00:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA13077 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA13072 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarty.smart.net(206.27.242.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013070; Tue, 3 Jun 97 04:00:22 -0400 Received: from 128.83.219.36 (slip-82-4.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.219.36]) by smarty.smart.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA31267; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 04:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <33929E31.1D70@smart.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 03:19:45 -0700 From: seth Reply-To: sjohnson@smart.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eating Before Swimming CC: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk errrr... I suggest you stop and think what took place over the weekend. There was some sort of server clog. The Mac clients stop when they can't report their findings to the server and don't grab anymore keys to check until the app is restarted. When I got to work this morning (monday), all of the units I had left working on it over the weekend were stopped. While I am writing on the topic of the Mac Client, I would have to say that in spite of the previously-noted disadvantage built into the Mac Client, the new version is leaps and bounds better than the older one. I would also like to remind Mac contributors that Motorola has an extension that promises to speed math processes on PPC hardware. You can download this extension from: http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/support/rsw_customer_support/mac/libmoto/libmoto_reg_macuser.html Seth From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 06:29:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA13533 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA13523 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dilbert.iagnet.net(207.206.8.155) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013517; Tue, 3 Jun 97 06:29:07 -0400 Received: (from jamie@localhost) by dilbert.iagnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05513; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706031037.GAA05513@dilbert.iagnet.net> Subject: Re: Backup server? To: hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca (Howard Cheng) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: <97Jun2.133957-0600_mdt.13114-17584+129@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> from Howard Cheng at "Jun 2, 97 01:39:49 pm" RFC_Violation: You saw it here first! From: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net (Jamie Rishaw) X-PGP-Fingerprint: <921C135D> C4 48 1B 26 18 7B 1F D9 BA C4 9C 7A B1 07 07 E8 Reply-To: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net Organization: Internet Access Group, Inc. X-No-Archive: yes X-Face: >:-p X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk If you do this, it would be a lit simpler to round-robin the address "keymaster.verser.frii.com" via DNS. That way there's no work required at the user's end. > Hi, > > Would it be beneficial to set up a new key server? Not that the old > one is overloaded, but if we get half of our clients to run on each, then > half of us will still be cracking keys if one of them is down (network, > server down, whatever). Of course, this second server must be connected > to the Internet using a different route, or it would be pointless. > Maybe this also means that the server would have to be located at > a different place physically. > > Howard > > -- > Howard Cheng e-mail: hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca > University of Alberta hcheng@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > MSc Computing Science URL : http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~hcheng/ > > When in doubt, it must be trivial. > -- jamie g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche Internet Access Group 'whois JGR2' for PGP keyID/Fingerprint __ Network Operations/TSD DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 DES: Help Crack the code! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 08:24:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14060 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14048 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netserv.com(198.37.128.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014043; Tue, 3 Jun 97 08:24:04 -0400 Received: from [198.37.128.120] (smh-ppc.netserv.com [198.37.128.120]) by netserv.com (8.8.5/smh-1.1) with ESMTP id FAA02849 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 05:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33929E31.1D70@smart.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 05:33:29 -0700 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: "Scott M. Hinnrichs" Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 3:19 AM -0700 6/2/97, seth wrote: >errrr... I suggest you stop and think what took place over the weekend. >There was some sort of server clog. The Mac clients stop when they can't >report their findings to the server and don't grab anymore keys to check >until the app is restarted. When I got to work this morning (monday), >all of the units I had left working on it over the weekend were stopped. > All my Mac's restarted about the same time as my UNIX clients. They were waiting for a response from the Keyserver and all restarted when they got it. You don't have to reboot/restart the client. In fact if you do that the client will never get to report the results from the last run. You probably just timed restarting the clients when the keyserver came back around 10:15 Monday morning. It had only been out for three hours, not all weeekend. Scott From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 08:44:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14283 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14278 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from milliways.blee.net(130.215.240.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014276; Tue, 3 Jun 97 08:44:37 -0400 Received: (from woodbad@localhost) by milliways.blee.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA20330; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:53:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam D. Woodbury" cc: Howard Cheng , deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: Backup server? In-Reply-To: <199706031037.GAA05513@dilbert.iagnet.net> Message-ID: Organization: BleeNET - a cooperative network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > > If you do this, it would be a lit simpler to round-robin the address > "keymaster.verser.frii.com" via DNS. > > That way there's no work required at the user's end. > Unless things are written correctly (perhaps incorrectly) this will not work. If the client does a name lookup when starting up, and then keeps using that same IP address it might work, but if the client does a resolv request each time it needs to access the server, then you could request a keyblock from one server, answer to another... an interesting twist on things :) Itwould probably be FAR easier to simply tell people to try out another server. Adam --- Adam D. Woodbury "I want her love for the fool I am - woodbad@blee.net or not at all." - Edmond Rostand Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 13:32:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16878 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16864 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.sun.com(192.9.25.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016855; Tue, 3 Jun 97 13:32:15 -0400 Received: from West.Sun.COM ([129.153.100.30]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id KAA29231 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:59:19 -0700 Received: from marvin.west.sun.com by West.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id KAA04029; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:40:19 -0700 Received: from jcf.West.Sun.COM by marvin.west.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29097; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:41:02 -0700 Received: from jcf by jcf.West.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25936; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:41:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Falkenthal Reply-To: John Falkenthal Subject: re: sun.com To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: LZUzalJxqhCH63KROaqF/A== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2_22 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > From: andrew meggs > Subject: Re: sun.com > > ...and I went and looked at the stats page and noticed that yes, SGI was > missing, but Microsoft was every bit as absent. Can you shed some light? > I have no information about an effort underway at Micro$oft. SGI on the otherhand... :-) SGI is well ahead of deschall in terms of keyspace searched, but they are not sustaining the same search rate as deschall - which suggests they had a healthy head-start... To be honest, I don't know how "serious" the effort is within SGI - my guess is its not too serious. I apologize if my use of the word "serious" got everyone in deschall on the defensive. They are running on everything from low-end desktops up to the T90 and T3E. Any SGI'ers care to comment further? One other thing - I had made earlier comments about not wanting to see this thing cracked on Bloatware 95; Linux and OS/2 are a different story altogether. I run Linux @ home - in fact, check the deschall stats and you'll see "znet.com" listed somewhere down in the 500 range - that's me at home, on my lowly K5-133 running Linux !! JF From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 14:29:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17234 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17229 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017226; Tue, 3 Jun 97 14:29:23 -0400 Received: from eclipse.its.rpi.edu (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu [128.113.24.33]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA222974 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:38:11 -0400 Received: by eclipse.its.rpi.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA20529; Tue, 3 Jun 97 14:38:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9706031838.AA20529@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Garance A Drosehn Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 14:38:06 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM References: <33929E31.1D70@smart.net> Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk seth wrote: > errrr... I suggest you stop and think what took place over the > weekend. There was some sort of server clog. The Mac clients > stop when they can't report their findings to the server and > don't grab anymore keys to check until the app is restarted. When > I got to work this morning (monday), all of the units I had left > working on it over the weekend were stopped. Well, for one we already have heard from someone at Apple as to why they dropped off of the stats for the weekend. It had nothing to do with the deschall server problems. However, I'm responding just to point out that the Mac client started right up again once the server was available, just like the unix clients did. As I recall, there is some problem with the mac client if the entire network connection is gone (such as happens when a PPP link is disconnected), but that was not the problem over the weekend. If your Macs were on telnet connections, you did not need to restart any Mac clients for them to start working again. > While I am writing on the topic of the Mac Client, I would have > to say that in spite of the previously-noted disadvantage built > into the Mac Client, the new version is leaps and bounds better > than the older one. > > I would also like to remind Mac contributors that Motorola has > an extension that promises to speed math processes on PPC hardware. I must admit I'm a bit leary of trying this extension while working on the deschall client... :-) (not that I think there's anything wrong, but if there *was* anything wrong then I'd hate to think my Mac could miss out on getting the winning key! :-). Just mark me as very paranoid on this one. I wouldn't be as paranoid if we were working on something that could be broken in a week or so. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 14:35:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17296 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17291 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pollux.davidson.edu(152.42.2.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017289; Tue, 3 Jun 97 14:35:47 -0400 Received: from 152.42.18.52 (152.42.18.52) by POLLUX.DAVIDSON.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #7389) id <01IJN1ASQPCW8Y6RH9@POLLUX.DAVIDSON.EDU>; Tue, 03 Jun 1997 14:45:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 14:45:04 -0400 From: Mike Weber Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM In-reply-to: <33929E31.1D70@smart.net> X-Sender: miweber@pollux.davidson.edu To: sjohnson@smart.net Cc: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >I would also like to remind Mac contributors that Motorola has an >extension that promises to speed math processes on PPC hardware. You can >download this extension from: > >http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/support/rsw_customer_support/mac/libmoto/libmoto >_reg_macuser.html The libmoto extension will probably have no effect on Andrew's excellent hand-tuned assembly language routines if he doesn't call library-based math functions. Libmoto intercepts calls to sin, exp, cos, pow, log, atan, log10, atan2, and sqrt. The developer-end library also improves the performance of certain string operations. You may see improvements in other areas of machine performance, though I suspect its effect on the Mac client will be slim to none. Anyone tested it? Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Weber * Coordinator of Academic Computing Applications Support miweber@davidson.edu * Davidson College * Davidson, NC * (704) 892-2429 PGP key at http://www.davidson.edu/computing/staff/miweber/miweber.html From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 14:40:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17324 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17319 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from groucho.cablelan.net(24.64.12.10) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017317; Tue, 3 Jun 97 14:40:02 -0400 Received: from otv55.cablelan.net (24.64.12.128) by groucho.cablelan.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 1.2.2) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:57:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Dean Mills" To: "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 11:48:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Dean Mills" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Client broken since weekend outage. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Greetings, I "was" running the OS/2 client on a P-166, 64 MB, OS/2 v4.0, up until shortly after this weekends outage. Any ideas on why the client keeps hanging? Ever since the outage this weekend, the client has never really come back up properly. Even after several reboots, it gets the first keyblock, and two dots into the second block, and hangs, taking the CPU with it (100%). It does not respond to a close, CTRL-C or C-A-D, a hard reset is in order (NOT a good idea on OS/2 with 7 HD's to CHKDSK every boot!). Any ideas on this would be great, as I can't run it until I can control it a bit better than this. Regards, Dean Mills, DevBahn Archiver/Founder. /* ------------------------------------------------------------- */ /* DevBahn - OS/2 Programming Sanctuary */ /* devbahn@geocities.com */ /* http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/8867/ */ /* ------------------------------------------------------------- */ /* DevBahn - OS/2 Game Programming Sanctuary */ /* devbahn-games@geocities.com */ /* http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/8678/ */ /* ------------------------------------------------------------- */ From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 15:09:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17528 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17523 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com(207.69.200.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017519; Tue, 3 Jun 97 15:09:50 -0400 Received: from [38.11.217.128] (ip128.lansing.mi.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.217.128]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15943 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <33929E31.1D70@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:18:24 -0500 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: Don Pushies Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >>I would also like to remind Mac contributors that Motorola has an >>extension that promises to speed math processes on PPC hardware. You can >>download this extension from: >> >>http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/support/rsw_customer_support/mac/libmoto/libmot >>o >>_reg_macuser.html > >The libmoto extension will probably have no effect on Andrew's excellent >hand-tuned assembly language routines if he doesn't call library-based math >functions. Libmoto intercepts calls to sin, exp, cos, pow, log, atan, >log10, atan2, and sqrt. The developer-end library also improves the >performance of certain string operations. You may see improvements in >other areas of machine performance, though I suspect its effect on the Mac >client will be slim to none. Anyone tested it? Yes. Today I tested both MathLibMoto 1.0.1 and LibMotoSh 1.0 . I did not see a detectable difference. My max is 209k per/sec with or without the Math Libraries. 7200/75 Sys 7.5.5 OT1.1.2 256k/L2 32M PPP connection with minimal system for dial-up. Don Pushies dpush@pobox.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Participate in the DES challenge: http://www.frii.com/%7Ercv/deschall.htm Get the list by sending: subscribe deschall To: majordomo@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Every lil' bit helps :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 15:10:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17546 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17541 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com(207.69.200.11) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017539; Tue, 3 Jun 97 15:10:01 -0400 Received: from 207.69.224.183 (user-37kbo1a.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.224.42]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16038 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33943620.790B@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 15:21:04 +0000 From: "Steven F. Burnett" Reply-To: burnett@pobox.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Motorola's libmoto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Mike Weber wrote: >The libmoto extension will probably have no effect on Andrew's >excellent hand-tuned assembly language routines if he doesn't call >library-based math functions. Libmoto intercepts calls to sin, exp, >cos, pow, log, atan, log10, atan2, and sqrt. The developer-end >library also improves the performance of certain string operations. >You may see improvements in other areas of machine performance, >though I suspect its effect on the Mac client will be slim to none. >Anyone tested it? I am running with it today, and see no change in speed from yesterday. (on a PowerMac 6100, System 7.5.5). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 15:26:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17723 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17714 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarty.smart.net(206.27.242.102) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017710; Tue, 3 Jun 97 15:26:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (sjohnson@localhost) by smarty.smart.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11435 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth Johnson To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: re: Apple.com and Mac client problems.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I offer a thanks to the respondents who explained how the client 'should' work. My original message was based on my experience of having found my set of Macs all stalled out waiting for the server to respond. My building at Apple.com did not lose it's power, so I was interpreting this client-hang as a possible cause for apple.com's drop in the standings coupled with the power outage. I will start testing the effect of the math lib extension provided by motorola and post my findings if no one else has already tested this. Although Andrew's assembly language routines may not call the special funtions provided by this extension, it could be possible that other OS processes may be assisted by the lib and indirectly boost performance of the DesChall client by allowing it more CPU cycles. Seth -------------------------------- Seth Johnson 512.480.9398 home 512.908.8000 work 512.908.8076 fax 512.908.8423 voice mail From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 16:15:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18380 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18375 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu(128.113.100.7) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018361; Tue, 3 Jun 97 16:14:53 -0400 Received: from eclipse.its.rpi.edu (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu [128.113.24.33]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA104312; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:23:35 -0400 Received: by eclipse.its.rpi.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA20872; Tue, 3 Jun 97 16:23:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 16:23:33 -0400 From: Garance A Drosehn Message-Id: <9706032023.AA20872@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com, sjohnson@smart.net Subject: re: Apple.com and Mac client problems.. Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk > I offer a thanks to the respondents who explained how the client > 'should' work. Just to clarify, I stated how it *did* work, for me. It *did* start back up once the server was available. That is a fact. Seeing that it *did* work for me, I thought I'd mention that for the benefit of other users of the PowerMac client. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 16:34:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18590 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18582 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zipcon.net(205.199.135.5) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018578; Tue, 3 Jun 97 16:34:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (cassaela@localhost) by zipcon.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06583 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:43:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassaela To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Notification? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk This list *will* be notified once the key is found, right? I ask because I had a client running over the weekend, which was giving output to the screen and was accidently unplugged. Now, through a long and involved story, the network it was connected to is no longer valid, so if that client *did* find the key, I don't know about it and it's imposible to contact me based on the IP I was using. ____________________________________________________ cassaela@zipcon.net http://www.zipcon.net/cassaela ____________________________________________________ Ways To Order a Pizza, #85 Haggle. From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 16:48:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18675 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18670 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(128.172.89.118) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018667; Tue, 3 Jun 97 16:47:43 -0400 Received: from [207.172.63.54] (rcm-as2s61.erols.com [207.172.61.124]) by ratboy.antennahead.com (8.8.0/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA08051 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9706031838.AA20529@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> References: <33929E31.1D70@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:42:30 -0400 To: deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com From: andrew meggs Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk At 2:38 PM -0400 6/3/97, Garance A Drosehn wrote: >seth wrote: >> >> I would also like to remind Mac contributors that Motorola has >> an extension that promises to speed math processes on PPC hardware. > >I must admit I'm a bit leary of trying this extension while working >on the deschall client... :-) > First of all, it only affects standard math library functions, like sines, cosines, raising a number to a power, etc., none of which are used by the deschall client. Second, it's been installed on my machines since around 1995, so if this were an issue, which it isn't, the client has been validated much more thoroughly on machines running Motorola's PPC math library than on machines running Apple's PPC math library. To put this as nicely as possible, ignoring any speed considerations I have "even more" confidence in the quality of Motorola's code than I do in Apple's. ____________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Meggs, content provider Antennahead Industries, Inc. From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 20:52:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00992 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00985 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer.louisville.edu(136.165.1.20) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000976; Tue, 3 Jun 97 20:52:22 -0400 Received: from [136.165.221.50] (ppp0149.remote.louisville.edu [136.165.221.50]) by homer.louisville.edu (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20286 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706040101.VAA20286@homer.louisville.edu> Subject: Re: hello, whereFore Apple.COM Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 21:01:07 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Lee Larson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk >At 2:38 PM -0400 6/3/97, Garance A Drosehn wrote: >>seth wrote: >>> >>> I would also like to remind Mac contributors that Motorola has >>> an extension that promises to speed math processes on PPC hardware. >> >>I must admit I'm a bit leary of trying this extension while working >>on the deschall client... :-) I've used the Motorola routines for quite a while, and they do make a significant difference in speed for some things. But I would not expect them to speed up the DES client because they are mostly for transcendental functions and some string handling. By the way, I suspect one of the reasons Apple's routines are slower is because they're trying to stick by the letter of the law as written in the Standard Apple Numerics Environment (SANE). SANE is not fast, but it is a fairly accurate implementation of the IEEE floating point standards. Motorola was not held to such constraints. There are many people who prefer predictability to raw speed. Lee Larson http://www.louisville.edu/~lmlars01/ (502)852-6826 Mathematics Department, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292 USA From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 22:58:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02028 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02023 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exon.massart.edu(207.121.101.1) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002021; Tue, 3 Jun 97 22:58:24 -0400 Received: (from paonia@localhost) by exon.massart.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09581; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:06:31 -0400 From: Paonia Ezrine Message-Id: <199706040306.XAA09581@exon.massart.edu> Subject: Re: Backup server? To: woodbad@blee.net (Adam D. Woodbury) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hcheng@cs.ualberta.ca, deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com In-Reply-To: from "Adam D. Woodbury" at Jun 3, 97 08:53:30 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk Passing a list of server in preference order makes sence use this if not use that! paonia > > > > > If you do this, it would be a lit simpler to round-robin the address > > "keymaster.verser.frii.com" via DNS. > > > > That way there's no work required at the user's end. > > > > Unless things are written correctly (perhaps incorrectly) this will not > work. If the client does a name lookup when starting up, and then keeps > using that same IP address it might work, but if the client does a resolv > request each time it needs to access the server, then you could request a > keyblock from one server, answer to another... an interesting twist on > things :) Itwould probably be FAR easier to simply tell people to try > out another server. > > Adam > > --- > Adam D. Woodbury "I want her love for the fool I am - > woodbad@blee.net or not at all." > - Edmond Rostand > Crack DES NOW! http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm > -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paonia Ezrine | Mass Art | | paonia@massart.edu | 621 Huntington Ave | | 617-232-1555 ext 357 | Boston, MA 02115 | | 617-566-4034 (fax) | www.massart.edu | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-deschall-announce Tue Jun 3 23:42:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02145 for deschall-outgoing; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02140 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com(198.53.145.6) by gatekeeper.megasoft.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002138; Tue, 3 Jun 97 23:42:46 -0400 Received: from damien.home.com (root@209-20-1-44.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.1.44]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.7.6) with ESMTP id XAA06205; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anzha (anzha.home.com [192.168.100.1]) by damien.home.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02580; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:49:35 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC7078.B23F98B0@willer@interlog.com> From: Steve Willer To: "'Tek Hedz'" , "'deschall'" Subject: NT service 'wrapper' available Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:48:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Precedence: bulk I've just written a Windows NT service 'wrapper', which allows the user to run any program as a service. With this program, you can run the deschall client at system startup time, without depending on user logons or anything like that. You can also pause the service, stop it, etc. I can send it out to anyone who wants it; I'll probably put it on my (currently nonexistent) web site tomorrow. ---- Steve Willer, willer@interlog